Sabertooth__

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Because I don't think anyone cares about the proper moral compass in here. Here we are in a porn forum, where people come to transgress and, in fact, run away from the appropriate moral compasses.
That's where the duality of this thread lies. When it comes to the writing of Sophia people here criticise everything about Sophia's writing, be it her decisions, he not recalling all past events in every scene, her dressing choices,what she says, how she is stupid, how her behaviour is stereotypical. How anything even remotely close to non consensual is considered a such a wrong thing in the game. All this desire for unique writing, logic and moral compass in regards to Sophia and this game.
Then the same people say that no one cares and would rather want all male characters to be presented as sex fiends, who only think of sex 24/7 and act like total perverts. It is genuinely hypocritical when people who are fine with such negative stereotype and poor writing act extremely critical of anything happening in this game.

Anyways, i have learnt it is pointless to talk about good character writing, understanding the psychological decisions one would make, explaining the limitations and how the numerous theories floating around are only good as theories and thier practical implementation is not feasible. Everyone sticks to what they believe and i have never seen anyone change perspective based on the discussions about any of the scenes, explanations about the character motivations and creative decisions or the analysis is all a waste of time as even when people accept your point one day, the next day they are back to criticising the same thing and the same points when no change in their thought process. So going forward I'll just try to avoid any discussions about any of things in the game. I'll express what i think occasionally and not bother with anything else.
 
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PaxHadrian17

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That's where the duality of this thread lies. When it comes to the writing of Sophia people here criticise everything about Sophia's writing, be it her decisions, he not recalling all past events in every scene, her dressing choices,what she says, how she is stupid, how her behaviour is stereotypical. How anything even remotely close to non consensual is considered a such a wrong thing in the game. All this desire for unique writing, logic and moral compass in regards to Sophia and this game.
Then the same people say that no one cares and would rather want all male characters to be presented as sex friends, who only think of sex 24/7 and act like total perverts. It is genuinely hypocritical when people who are fine with such negative stereotype and poor writing act extremely critical of anything happening in this game.

Anyways, i have learnt it is pointless to talk about good character writing, understanding the psychological decisions one would make, explaining the limitations and how the numerous theories floating around are only good as theories and thier practical implementation is not feasible. Everyone sticks to what they believe and i have never seen anyone change perspective based on the discussions about any of the scenes, explanations about the character motivations and creative decisions or the analysis is all a waste of time as even when people accept your point one day, the next day they are back to criticising the same thing and the same points when no change in their thought process. So going forward I'll just try to avoid any discussions about any of things in the game. I'll express what i think occasionally and not bother with anything else.
I think some of the F95 fans here fall into the trap of thinking that the writing for Sophia is bad because of the options that they are presented with - which may not include the options they want when they want them.

For example, saying the writing is bad because Sophia would never let Dylan grab her ass, breasts, etc. ignores the choices made to get there.

If you are a Sam only hetero fan, then 'Your' Sophia had minimal romantic/sexual interaction with Dylan and maximized Sam's opportunities to be with Sophia.

This Sophia has So much more going on with Sam than she does with Dylan... because that is the path they chose.

If you are a Dylan fan, regardless of how you feel about Sophia and Sam, then 'Your Sophia' has made choices that maximized Dylan's opportunities to advance a romantic/sexual relationship with Sophia.

I think the writing does a good job of allowing each of us the option to advance Sophia's story and relationships as we choose - albeit - Very Slowly...

Writing and maintaining branching paths in a story as big as AWAM is a complex undertaking!

This path management will only get more complex as other branches occur: the Dylan/Marie path -- will it end the Sophia path (likely) or offer the opportunity to create a polyamorous path with Sophia or Claire (less likely but the Sophia/Dylan/Marie throuple would be So Hot - my personal thought).

Does the Ellie/Logan path end or does Ellie forgive him and perhaps persuade Sophia to join them (once as a special gift to Logan or more than that)?

Do the Dylan and Sam paths have the chance to collide, taking Sophia to France (Eiffel Tower) -- Anathema to the Sam only fans but it is a potential intersection ... :) ... of those two paths.

None of these paths will be the equivalent of a deep and abiding love story like Anna Karenina (across the millions of human written works created since Tolstoy published Anne Karenina, how many are her equal or better?), but no AVN creator has the time (and resources) to create this level of love story as well as adding in the adult content that is almost always 'reading between the lines' for the classic love stories.

While the progression of AWAM has slowed to that of an old train slowly chugging its way across the Siberian tundra, I believe that L&P is doing a decent job writing the paths for Sophia, Dylan, and Ellie.
 
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Sadowdark

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Not true. Last I checked there were at least a dozen people that voted for Liam in the Favorite Character poll. There are people that come here and play the game for the GW route. They just happen to be a silent minority.
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Sadowdark

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I also argue that not everyone is playing the game for Sophia to leave Liam and become a debased cumrag, that just happens to be the very vocal majority.

So far Patricia has been very clear in that it's entirely possible to have fun sexually with lots of people, whilst she's still faithful to Carl, and so far she hasn't advocated Sophia do anything to jeopardise that. So while Patricia's moral compass might not point True North, she still does have one.

And whilst I do unashamedly play the Filthy route, it's still with the end goal of Sophia staying with Liam, just understanding more about herself, what she enjoys, and that she doesn't need to just stick with boring vanilla sex with her husband
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Sadowdark

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Most of these are very plausible, now that the game/VN has gone down the "just another porn game" path. That is to say they will be, if AWAM is still around in 16-25 years' time. Keeping it standard & simple is the apparent chosen method & to hell with the "class & realism" of the mission statement, not to forget the continuous, (now essential?), lack of logic for some routes........e.g. well-spotted with the three apostles. Your summaries make me curious about how many might turn out as you predict.

Some of these endings would be enjoyed, some loathed, probably in equal measure by any fans now following & still around to see them but nobody can look that far into the future, except the Dev? Personally, I'd hoped that by now he would have done something to speed up development, or at least made a show of it but we know that's never going to happen. Never, as long as the Patreon business model works the way it does. So, until it's abandoned, these endings stand as credible possiblities for the many stories of AWAM.
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kogoyo

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The funny part is that in porn games males are always shown as lust incarnates whose only concern is to fuck every woman in sight no matter the methods or schemes or whether those are ethical or even legal that they use to get the female character. What impression does that leave of the male gender. It is disrespectful to men too in the way it portrays them in such a negative stereotype.

I don't understand why do these porn game Devs or artists not try to write a guy who has a proper moral compass and does not does not like a horny virgin teen who wants to fuck every woman he interacts with.
Maybe because the Devs are just horny nerds virgins teens? :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 

Kirill86

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So that you understand, the LP has a script written for all 30 days, but it is written in the form of a description of events. He doesn't have the specifics of the event, he "invents" it every time. Then an equally difficult thing is writing character dialogues. That's why updates are so long
 

Sabertooth__

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Maybe because the Devs are just horny nerds virgins teens? :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
Could be. Or it could also be that the Devs know that the masses only want mindless fucking in the games. They are happy with stupid tropes and writing.
When you can earn twice or even more with a game full of irrational developments and tons of mindless sex scenes why will anyone bother to spend time actually trying to refine a character and making a well written scene, think of presenting character arcs, properly scale events and rationalize things.
This is a typical scenario of adverse selection where the bad quality drives out the good quality.
 

bardock8114

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I believe the dev (singular) is in his 30s. His target audience however, might be nerdy virginal teen boys.
I think he was talking about most of the other games and not that one. This one seems more "mature" and there are very few with interstig writing IMO. I love being a DIk or the new Race of Life as great example but many games are just fuckfests without any meaning behind it IMO.
 
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