VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

She's just coming to a logical conclusion now that we have more info on what part02 is gonna be like. L&P is the one who, being the developer, should have noticed that the entire thing would have made more sense if the parts were reversed. He's the one planning the events, writing the events, creating art for the events. He should have noticed it during the planning of said events. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that.

I think he did this with his script when he got writers block

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

If you are so good, why did you not write a scenario and offer it to a 3D Artist for making a game...

This is such a lazy way to hand-wave my criticism. Any developer, whether it's L&P or Dr. Pink Cake, or Mr. Palmer, is responsible for planning out and executing their game. Pointing out the flaw isn't the problem, the problem lays with L&P for fumbling the end of PD13. Can you seriously look at Part 1 and 2 and think "there was no way to avoid this."? He should have seen this coming from a mile away.

To write erotica or porn you have to be a special kind of writer, I think. You have to be able to express yourself in terms that, to be honest, I couldn't normally use even with my partners (I have that kind of upbringing, I must confess). And yup, as long as it is only suggestive tone and not describably crude is relatively easy. But when you go into hard core you have to be (again, it is just my opinion) capable of verbalizing the kind of things that I think when I am horny but that my education makes difficult to say, : ) So if L&P is a bit like me, yup, he has a problem (and by extension so users of his work like me).

I don't think L&P has any problem writing erotica. He isn't delaying or stalling out of any sense of bashfulness or discomfort over the subject material; he's delaying because he's trying to create a sense of anticipation and suspense (and that's being generous, many would accuse him of far more nefarious reasoning). But that desire to prolong the suspense is in contrast to a story that can't justify any more prolonging. L&P is afraid that, once Sophia has sex with a character that isn't Liam, that a certain sense of anticipation and titillation will be lost. He wants to build the tension as long as possible to maximize the effect of when Sophia finally has sex. He's making a business decision more than a creative decision.

My theory is that he's struggling to find a reasonable way to prevent Sophia and Dylan from having a sexual encounter, NOT because he's nervous to write smut, but because he's nervous that it will hurt his long-term profits. Once that cork is popped, you can't bottle it back up. But because of how he's structured this update, he's struggling to find a coherent way for Sophia and Dylan to move their relationship forward WITHOUT it resulting in something overtly sexual. The bath in part 1 was very sexual, but it kept a thin veneer that Sophia could pretend it wasn't sexual. It was flimsy, and silly, but fine ok. But if Dylan and Sophia's next encounter has to exceed both the bath tub event AND Sam's actions in the hot tub, then there's no way for Sophia to pretend it isn't overtly sexual. And once that happens there's no going back. The idea that we are still YEARS away from the first sexual encounter doesn't seem feasible any longer.

 

[joelurmel]

So much useless and hateful criticism... Why don't you take your hate elsewhere and leave those who love this game alone. All you risk doing is that L&P will end up giving up the game and those who love it will be sad not to see the end...

 

[karleston]

So much useless and hateful criticism... Why don't you take your hate elsewhere and leave those who love this game alone. All you risk doing is that L&P will end up giving up the game and those who love it will be sad not to see the end...

Careful boy, you just jumped headfirst on a landmine. Karens are hiding behind every bush waiting to pounce on you in 3..2..1

This is such a lazy way to hand-wave my criticism. Any developer, whether it's L&P or Dr. Pink Cake, or Mr. Palmer, is responsible for planning out and executing their game. Pointing out the flaw isn't the problem, the problem lays with L&P for fumbling the end of PD13. Can you seriously look at Part 1 and 2 and think "there was no way to avoid this."? He should have seen this coming from a mile away.



I don't think L&P has any problem writing erotica. He isn't delaying or stalling out of any sense of bashfulness or discomfort over the subject material; he's delaying because he's trying to create a sense of anticipation and suspense (and that's being generous, many would accuse him of far more nefarious reasoning). But that desire to prolong the suspense is in contrast to a story that can't justify any more prolonging. L&P is afraid that, once Sophia has sex with a character that isn't Liam, that a certain sense of anticipation and titillation will be lost. He wants to build the tension as long as possible to maximize the effect of when Sophia finally has sex. He's making a business decision more than a creative decision.

My theory is that he's struggling to find a reasonable way to prevent Sophia and Dylan from having a sexual encounter, NOT because he's nervous to write smut, but because he's nervous that it will hurt his long-term profits. Once that cork is popped, you can't bottle it back up. But because of how he's structured this update, he's struggling to find a coherent way for Sophia and Dylan to move their relationship forward WITHOUT it resulting in something overtly sexual. The bath in part 1 was very sexual, but it kept a thin veneer that Sophia could pretend it wasn't sexual. It was flimsy, and silly, but fine ok. But if Dylan and Sophia's next encounter has to exceed both the bath tub event AND Sam's actions in the hot tub, then there's no way for Sophia to pretend it isn't overtly sexual. And once that happens there's no going back. The idea that we are still YEARS away from the first sexual encounter doesn't seem feasible any longer.

He has no other choice but to do that. I mean we are not talking about penetration but it needs to be something spicy. He already stated that dylan will surpass Sam so there's no way around it. Dylan played with her breast on part 1 so i am guessing part 2 will contain at least kissing, groping, and some action involving genitals.

And this time he can't use the excuse of someone interrupting because it will be Hiroshima for the family.So if i had to bet, I'd say that's the tricky part that he is struggling with. How to put an end to the action

 

[Ruby Tuesday]

This is such a lazy way to hand-wave my criticism. Any developer, whether it's L&P or Dr. Pink Cake, or Mr. Palmer, is responsible for planning out and executing their game. Pointing out the flaw isn't the problem, the problem lays with L&P for fumbling the end of PD13. Can you seriously look at Part 1 and 2 and think "there was no way to avoid this."? He should have seen this coming from a mile away.



I don't think L&P has any problem writing erotica. He isn't delaying or stalling out of any sense of bashfulness or discomfort over the subject material; he's delaying because he's trying to create a sense of anticipation and suspense (and that's being generous, many would accuse him of far more nefarious reasoning). But that desire to prolong the suspense is in contrast to a story that can't justify any more prolonging. L&P is afraid that, once Sophia has sex with a character that isn't Liam, that a certain sense of anticipation and titillation will be lost. He wants to build the tension as long as possible to maximize the effect of when Sophia finally has sex. He's making a business decision more than a creative decision.

My theory is that he's struggling to find a reasonable way to prevent Sophia and Dylan from having a sexual encounter, NOT because he's nervous to write smut, but because he's nervous that it will hurt his long-term profits. Once that cork is popped, you can't bottle it back up. But because of how he's structured this update, he's struggling to find a coherent way for Sophia and Dylan to move their relationship forward WITHOUT it resulting in something overtly sexual. The bath in part 1 was very sexual, but it kept a thin veneer that Sophia could pretend it wasn't sexual. It was flimsy, and silly, but fine ok. But if Dylan and Sophia's next encounter has to exceed both the bath tub event AND Sam's actions in the hot tub, then there's no way for Sophia to pretend it isn't overtly sexual. And once that happens there's no going back. The idea that we are still YEARS away from the first sexual encounter doesn't seem feasible any longer.

I would agree with most of that. L&P is probably planning ways of further spinning out the sex-ed/girlfriend role-play/duty as a mother, call it what you will contradictory content in any way possible before crossing the line. Perhaps not for financial reasons (to give him his due) but because he knows it will transform the parameters of the story line, have wider implications for creating the tension we all love to hate.
He also knows he is on sensitive ground regards the relationship of the chosen characters and the platforms available to him.
One could say this is a major threshold moment in the game, and these could be among the reasons for the delayed release date.

 

[Peter Sony]

If I refer to my memory: At the beginning he said he was a student and wanted to develop a game as a hobby and that the donors would allow him to acquire a better computer. Then the donors could help him change his video card...memory...new computer...new software...learn how to make it work....translator... Autrenebt says L&P was a victim of his donors. A hobby has become an essential income for him. (If we believe that he is alone to create this game). This is one of the reasons for the number of characters they add all the time and the inconsistent events that develop slowly. Example: Mothers never talk to each other about their sexual desires for their teenagers. We are talking here about a comic strip not of legal right in society. Several avenue of sexual fantasy its constant step. Personally, I believe that L&P has a lot of potential to entertain us pleasantly. It's just that it will take him a few more years. So his next creativities will correct his weaknesses in this game.

 

[dkatryl]

This is such a lazy way to hand-wave my criticism. Any developer, whether it's L&P or Dr. Pink Cake, or Mr. Palmer, is responsible for planning out and executing their game. Pointing out the flaw isn't the problem, the problem lays with L&P for fumbling the end of PD13. Can you seriously look at Part 1 and 2 and think "there was no way to avoid this."? He should have seen this coming from a mile away.



I don't think L&P has any problem writing erotica. He isn't delaying or stalling out of any sense of bashfulness or discomfort over the subject material; he's delaying because he's trying to create a sense of anticipation and suspense (and that's being generous, many would accuse him of far more nefarious reasoning). But that desire to prolong the suspense is in contrast to a story that can't justify any more prolonging. L&P is afraid that, once Sophia has sex with a character that isn't Liam, that a certain sense of anticipation and titillation will be lost. He wants to build the tension as long as possible to maximize the effect of when Sophia finally has sex. He's making a business decision more than a creative decision.

My theory is that he's struggling to find a reasonable way to prevent Sophia and Dylan from having a sexual encounter, NOT because he's nervous to write smut, but because he's nervous that it will hurt his long-term profits. Once that cork is popped, you can't bottle it back up. But because of how he's structured this update, he's struggling to find a coherent way for Sophia and Dylan to move their relationship forward WITHOUT it resulting in something overtly sexual. The bath in part 1 was very sexual, but it kept a thin veneer that Sophia could pretend it wasn't sexual. It was flimsy, and silly, but fine ok. But if Dylan and Sophia's next encounter has to exceed both the bath tub event AND Sam's actions in the hot tub, then there's no way for Sophia to pretend it isn't overtly sexual. And once that happens there's no going back. The idea that we are still YEARS away from the first sexual encounter doesn't seem feasible any longer.

I largely feel the same way.

This is basically L&P and his patrons at this point:
In this case, dropping the bass is Sophia finally banging someone other than Liam

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

So much useless and hateful criticism... Why don't you take your hate elsewhere and leave those who love this game alone. All you risk doing is that L&P will end up giving up the game and those who love it will be sad not to see the end...

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[tofhdns]

I think something is happening in this game, like in the movie, that the first part of the series gets broken because of the second part of the series.

And you(fanboys), too, are not loyal to this game and will soon find another game if this game is discontinued.



And

I hope people who call themselves fanboys go to Patreon.

This is not a church where you repent, praise, and give offerings.

Go to LP's Patreon and you offering to him, praise him and confess your love to him. for him and for you.

This is a place to rate and discuss games.

In the process of evaluating and discussing games, criticism can of course come out.

Especially if, like now, most of the settings in Part 1 are ignored, and consistency is broken, and characters' faces change frequently.

And fanboys ironically don't read the game's narration and dialogue.

"Fanboys, go to Patreon. There's a warm space for you there. And LP will hold your hand there."

 

[Radoslaw Wolf]

No, if I did something like that, you would be the first to know. And I would do it very publicly. A hit with an announcement, so to speak.
You're still on my ignore list by the way, I was only interested in the repartee you're having with carleston. As always when you get stuck you start insulting. But he seems to be a worthy opponent.

It was literally the first and only time* I have ever addressed anyone in an impolite way - in a response, and after my previous response was deleted and original message kept. But, of course, you know better, once you.. ignore me
In general, this thread has become unbearably toxic, and the level of toxicity is directly proportional to the increasing amount of horse shit we're receiving from the dev. Unfortunately, it is a mission impossible to explain how the real world works to some, and that's ok, I guess... Why would this forum be different than the real world out there, anyway..?



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*) except for that notorious buffoon liar dev, ofc

 

[Radoslaw Wolf]

He's making a business decision more than a creative decision.
My theory is that he's struggling to find a reasonable way to prevent Sophia and Dylan from having a sexual encounter, NOT because he's nervous to write smut, but because he's nervous that it will hurt his long-term profits. Once that cork is popped, you can't bottle it back up.

Spot on right there!

 

[karleston]

I think something is happening in this game, like in the movie, that the first part of the series gets broken because of the second part of the series.

And you(fanboys), too, are not loyal to this game and will soon find another game if this game is discontinued.



And

I hope people who call themselves fanboys go to Patreon.

This is not a church where you repent, praise, and give offerings.

Go to LP's Patreon and you offering to him, praise him and confess your love to him. for him and for you.

This is a place to rate and discuss games.

In the process of evaluating and discussing games, criticism can of course come out.

Especially if, like now, most of the settings in Part 1 are ignored, and consistency is broken, and characters' faces change frequently.

And fanboys ironically don't read the game's narration and dialogue.

"Fanboys, go to Patreon. There's a warm space for you there. And LP will hold your hand there."

 

[Awamboy]

I think he did this with his script when he got writers block
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He just came up with one line: "The night was humid"

 

[jamdan]

I don't think L&P has any problem writing erotica. He isn't delaying or stalling out of any sense of bashfulness or discomfort over the subject material; he's delaying because he's trying to create a sense of anticipation and suspense (and that's being generous, many would accuse him of far more nefarious reasoning). But that desire to prolong the suspense is in contrast to a story that can't justify any more prolonging. L&P is afraid that, once Sophia has sex with a character that isn't Liam, that a certain sense of anticipation and titillation will be lost. He wants to build the tension as long as possible to maximize the effect of when Sophia finally has sex. He's making a business decision more than a creative decision.

My theory is that he's struggling to find a reasonable way to prevent Sophia and Dylan from having a sexual encounter, NOT because he's nervous to write smut, but because he's nervous that it will hurt his long-term profits. Once that cork is popped, you can't bottle it back up. But because of how he's structured this update, he's struggling to find a coherent way for Sophia and Dylan to move their relationship forward WITHOUT it resulting in something overtly sexual. The bath in part 1 was very sexual, but it kept a thin veneer that Sophia could pretend it wasn't sexual. It was flimsy, and silly, but fine ok. But if Dylan and Sophia's next encounter has to exceed both the bath tub event AND Sam's actions in the hot tub, then there's no way for Sophia to pretend it isn't overtly sexual. And once that happens there's no going back. The idea that we are still YEARS away from the first sexual encounter doesn't seem feasible any longer.

I don't think LP cares about the long term profits in regards to Dylan sex. If anything, Dylan and Sophia getting it on will boost his profits because people want porn content, not "realistic" content.

I think his issues with this update are 2 main things. I don't buy the art stuff or rendering, it's story related.

- There is no reasonable way for Sophia and Dylan to have sex in this update, it's far too soon in the story. Not just for Dylan & Sophia, but for Sophia in regards to her progress with everyone else too.

But there is also no reasonable way for them to not do something very sexual, especially with all the buildup previously and previous statements. So he has to figure out how to do sexual stuff, groping kissing etc for this event but not too much too soon.

- And that is a big issue. Because that is basically repeating Sam's hot tub event, which I'm sure he doesn't want to do and it's not much of an escalation of what happened in the bath earlier.

Dylan and Sophia make out, Dylan grabs her boobs and so on and just when it gets good...out comes Liam from bed because he heard something.

So he has to figure out how to thread the needle and keep things in the realm of semi-plausible.

I think your idea that the updates should be reversed is pretty good. The club is first and then the bath, but it's too late for that. A downside of cutting this update into 2 parts.

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

I'd just like to see a conclusion to the apostles story line. Just as Sophia is about to teach and show them intercourse, the door to the room opens and Liam, Sam, Ellie, Dylan, Patricia, Carl, the movers, all of Sophia's students at school, Natalie, Amber, Neil, Claire, Dylan's soccer team, the four drunks in the park, Mr. Murray, Ellie's friends in the dance course, the college guys at the museum, the fitness instructor, spa masseurs, and the nursing home geezers all walk in at the same time through the same door, stop and look at each other saying, "What the fuck...?", the room explodes, THE END!

 

[Deleted member 3446610]

I almost break my pc that day when Sophia didn’t suck the janitor cock. From there i knew bullshit was coming from a long way.

They way LP work is nasty.
How the hell he didn’t even start coding.

LP you better sell fish.
Tips: Fresh fish will sells faster.

I gotta learn daz and make my own parody Sophia+ Dylan forever.

 

[palmtrees89]

- And that is a big issue. Because that is basically repeating Sam's hot tub event, which I'm sure he doesn't want to do and it's not much of an escalation of what happened in the bath earlier.

I think what L&P could do here is to make use of the pictures Dylan has on his phone from Sophia's photoshoot and take it a few steps further. Make Sophia pose for him, but in a slightly more daring setting compared to the bikini shoot we had a couple years back. That to me would be a hot event, even though I'm not a fan of the Dylan route personally. It would certainly make more sense than Sophia suddenly giving her son a handjob/blowjob or anything remotely close to that, no matter how she felt in parts during their bath. L&P always writes Sophia in a way that she returns to being the caring mother worried about any and everything, and so an overly sexual event would just look stupid imo.

I believe a statement from L&P exists where he addresses the Dylan events saying that they will be atleast equally hot compared to Sam's, but in a different way. Then again, he's made several statements regarding those two updates and Dylan's progress, so I'm kinda lost at this point as to what his plans are really. Guess we'll see.

I know many people here would like to see something more extreme, but I feel like it would just not be right storywise. 6 years of development or not. The story has already been butchered in parts, but going overboard with this event would just be too much imo. The entire PD has already been too much in terms of sexual encounters. It's just one day.

 

[tofhdns]

I don't think LP cares about the long term profits in regards to Dylan sex. If anything, Dylan and Sophia getting it on will boost his profits because people want porn content, not "realistic" content.

I think his issues with this update are 2 main things. I don't buy the art stuff or rendering, it's story related.

- There is no reasonable way for Sophia and Dylan to have sex in this update, it's far too soon in the story. Not just for Dylan & Sophia, but for Sophia in regards to her progress with everyone else too.

But there is also no reasonable way for them to not do something very sexual, especially with all the buildup previously and previous statements. So he has to figure out how to do sexual stuff, groping kissing etc for this event but not too much too soon.

- And that is a big issue. Because that is basically repeating Sam's hot tub event, which I'm sure he doesn't want to do and it's not much of an escalation of what happened in the bath earlier.

Dylan and Sophia make out, Dylan grabs her boobs and so on and just when it gets good...out comes Liam from bed because he heard something.

So he has to figure out how to thread the needle and keep things in the realm of semi-plausible.

I think your idea that the updates should be reversed is pretty good. The club is first and then the bath, but it's too late for that. A downside of cutting this update into 2 parts.

Six years go by, and there are still people who say it's too soon for sexual scenes to come out.
- Of course, I also think that the conditions were not met for a sex scene to appear.
- And this is why I criticize LP.

This is why LP delays the story, and why the story gets messed up.

Maybe even after 20 years, when that time comes, there will be people who say it's too soon for a sexual scene.



And I disagree with some of your comments.

LP cares tremendously about long-term returns.

Like you said, the reason he doesn't show much and uses scenes slowly and repetitively is because of his long-term payoff.

Like you said, when Dylan is kissing Sophia and touching her breasts, if Liam opens the bathroom door instead of coming out of the bedroom, it's a rehash of Dylan part 1, and if Liam goes to the jacuzzi and kisses Sophia, it's a rehash of Sam part 1.

 

[jamdan]

I think what L&P could do here is to make use of the pictures Dylan has on his phone from Sophia's photoshoot and take it a few steps further. Make Sophia pose for him, but in a slightly more daring setting compared to the bikini shoot we had a couple years back. That to me would be a hot event, even though I'm not a fan of the Dylan route personally. It would certainly make more sense than Sophia suddenly giving her son a handjob/blowjob or anything remotely close to that, no matter how she felt in parts during their bath. L&P always writes Sophia in a way that she returns to being the caring mother worried about any and everything, and so an overly sexual event would just look stupid imo.

I believe a statement from L&P exists where he addresses the Dylan events saying that they will be atleast equally hot compared to Sam's, but in a different way. Then again, he's made several statements regarding those two updates and Dylan's progress, so I'm kinda lost at this point as to what his plans are really. Guess we'll see.

I know many people here would like to see something more extreme, but I feel like it would just not be right storywise. 6 years of development or not. The story has already been butchered in parts, but going overboard with this event would just be too much imo. The entire PD has already been too much in terms of sexual encounters. It's just one day.

It's been talked about recently that LP uses too many environments that aren't important.

But he also underuses environments that probably should be used a lot. Like Dylan's room for example.

I can't think of any major events in Dylan's room (where his room is the main part, not just a transitional thing) and this event would make a lot of sense to take place in his room.

It's private. They won't get caught or walked in on (unless of course LP uses his standard intrusion to end the event.). And of course, it could facilitate more conversation or something similar.

Your photoshoot idea is good. Combining that with Dylan's room.

Dylan could easily get her to pose in her room. Would it be similar to Sam's painting? Sure, but it's more plausible than the hot tub at 2AM or skinny dipping in your backyard pool in the moonlight. Those events make more sense during the day when nobody is around.

It could also be a chance to get some humor into the game, which takes itself way too seriously. I think this is a big reason for the struggles recently, there is no serious way to do half the things in this game, yet LP ties anyway because it's "erotic".

Scenario:

Sophia + Dylan come home and someway or another end up in his room.
Sophia sees his photo of herself.
Dylan uses that as an excuse to get her to model.
Sophia, being slightly drunk, agrees.
X number of poses using different levels of undressed.
When Sophia is finished, since she is having fun and is slightly drunk, she asks Dylan to pose for her.
Of course, he agrees and poses himself (this is meant to be humorous, unlike Sam Dylan doesn't transform into a male model out of no where).
Sophia and Dylan laugh etc. Kisses and hugs and...stuff.
They make too much noise and Liam knocks on the door...
Dylan said he was watching funny videos...Liam says whatever and wonders off to the toilet.
Sophia takes the chance to sneak back into their room.
Liam shows up, asks where she has been, she says she went to Ambers house (or some other plausible excuse)
And finally...a kiss goodnight. Where Sophia thinks about kissing Liam right after doing that stuff with Dylan.

 

[ancienregimele]

Sometimes I really think some people here have lost touch with reality. If you really wanted to take the AWAM story seriously, which is a stupid idea in itself, then you should at least be honest enough to say that in a real world version of AWAM story, first of all, Sophia would get into legal trouble. This is not even because of what could happen with Dylan, but mainly because of the event with the children.

Anyway, AWAM is a porn game. It doesn't make sense to compare the porn game too much with the real world, because in a porn game it is precisely the deviation from reality that is the intended content. Expressed differently, It makes no sense if everyone in an incest game adheres to the law, because then nothing at all would happen. It is simply pointless to demand reality when it is precisely a matter of not upholding it.

What AWAM does so well is that reality (e.g. good graphics, characters with individual personality, etc. ) is mixed well with the unrealistic content. AWAM problem is not that something could happen, but rather that it has already taken so long and almost nothing has happened so far.

You've re-interpreted the 'realism' issue to suit your line of contention, as in 'the Dev only meant that the pictures would be realistic.' Now you're suggesting I take AWAM seriously & you're calling me "stupid" again, mainly because I hold the opposite POV to yourself it seems. I've never taken AWAM seriously but came to it for escapism. Despite what has been stated elsewhere on this thread, I don't live a "cosy" life, (the opposite in fact) & relish the chance of a good erotic story. Fat chance these days.

Early on I overlooked the employment law issue raised by the Principal's breach of contract, i.e. waiting until Sophia had started work before informing her that only part-time hours could be worked. It may have escaped many fan's attention but that was massive. As to myself, I did what I always used to do & cut the Dev some slack, rationalising it away by surmising that Sophia wouldn't want to "rock the boat" in a new job, in a new city. She basically didn't need the hassle.

It's an issue I know about from RL, having been hauled before a tribunal accused of breach of contract. I walked away "not guilty" eventually but it is a career damager & potential career breaker & it was a very close run thing. Did I use my experience to criticise the Dev..... no. It wouldn't be the last time that I ignored reality regarding AWAM & I'm guessing most of us here could say the same. We know what fiction & fantasy are & the suspension of disbelief they require. We're not "stupid."

As I worked for 15 years in HR in organisations employing thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of people, occasionally, (thankfully rarely), I would come across some of the most depraved sexual activities of which human beings are capable & I'm not talking about office love affairs & the lies & work disruption they can generate. I have a particular distaste for underwear theft BUT I would never try to exclude it from a work of fiction. What I definitely WOULDN'T do, however, would be to make it a hobby of the romantic lead, or a joint MC. It's a sign of how far AWAM has de-generated that Sophia's reaction to her dear boy's abhorrent behaviour is to fund a night on the town with him. Incest or not, porn logic notwithstanding, nobody ever made it with a woman by stealing her underwear, unless it was some sort of role-play. More 'realistic' as a seduction technique would have been for Dylan to stick a finger up his nose, stand on one leg, jump up on the garden wall & try to imitate a seagull's call.

As for the children, by which I assume you mean the apostles, there was no way any of that could be rationalised away. I ignored it by regarding it as one of the old style superhero "alternative" stories that DC comics made a habit of producing. They could be ignored as "non canon," some turned out to be "dreams," so that my virgin schoolboy self didn't have to worry about such dross as, "What if Jimmy Olsen was an alien?" or "What if Lois Lane had the superpowers?" No wonder Marvel Comics became the market leader back then.

It begs the question of what is going to happen to that 2nd side job on Steam? They can't be aged as with Dylan because that would be even worse than the present nonsense.