VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[sophpa]

It`s just me or looks like that this thread was bought by Elon Musk? Where`s freedom of speech? Why i receive notification about gif when i didn`t send gif lol

 

[Anna1990]

Why no texting in this game? Maybe like sophia x sam sharing sexy pics each other and some gf/bf type texts

 

[OZtheW1ZARD]

Agree and it's on par with "teachers" going to work dressed liked whores when NO school would watch her walk in to work and let them teach that day, lol. They'd be turned around at the door and likely fired.

The problem (which comes from the same place, IMO) is that most devs are dogshit writers because they have porn-brain and zero life/sex experience.
So much so that if you tell them what XYZ is actually like they'll argue with you.
A scary amount of dudes truly think a pussy is beat and useless once a dick has been in it. Rather, someone else's dick. I've had dudes legitimately argue to me that "a non-virgin pussy is sloppy and loose" lmao.
Or the classic "it's been shaped by the other man's penis" line that they back up with an Indian medical journal from some back alley doctor that got his degree online for $25.

I don't expect those same type of dudes to know what a gym is like or the culture inside a gym. That groping shit wouldn't fly for a second unless it was a 24 hour gym with nobody in it at 4am.

Yes, but that's the whole point right? Classic "Copier guy" syndrome.
I mean, no one believes story here is actually plausible right? Not saying stuff like that does not happen in real life, because it does, but never as presented in AWAM.
What I appreciate the most are these little nuggets that allow to suspend your disbelieve.

Take Dylan/Sophia date for example. The way the dialogue was written is how you should be talking to a woman.
Not those stupid one liner openings that only work in movies or Youtube, but a witty, intelligent conversation that keeps her interested and on her toes interlaced with very very subtle sexual remarks. Keep it intriguing and don't do creepy shit.
I mean if you struggle or have little experience talking to a woman you can learn a lot from that scene. I am not exaggerating.

 

[tofhdns]

Yes, but that's the whole point right? Classic "Copier guy" syndrome.
I mean, no one believes story here is actually plausible right? Not saying stuff like that does not happen in real life, because it does, but never as presented in AWAM.
What I appreciate the most are these little nuggets that allow to suspend your disbelieve.

Take Dylan/Sophia date for example. The way the dialogue was written is how you should be talking to a woman.
Not those stupid one liner openings that only work in movies or Youtube, but a witty, intelligent conversation that keeps her interested and on her toes interlaced with very very subtle sexual remarks. Keep it intriguing and don't do creepy shit.
I mean if you struggle or have little experience talking to a woman you can learn a lot from that scene. I am not exaggerating.

I completely lost interest in the Dylan/Sophia bathroom scene, so I don't know what the conversation was about after that.

However, this is what I remember.

Dylan was angry that someone else was seeing Sophia's body at the beauty salon and was suspicious of Sophia for letting the situation go by.

But when Dylan returned to her house, he encouraged Sophia to show off her body to other people, saying that people would like Sophia's body and that Dylan was proud of her.

Sofia's drinking always led to incidents and she always regretted it, but that day Sofia drank and she regretted it again.

And Sofia hid the fact that her own husband and Dylan's dad, Liam, had taken the photo of her. why?

It started with the Dylan/Sophia bathroom scene that people pointed out the sloppiness, contradictions, errors, and repetition of the dialogue.

This guy sees nothing, for defend L&P.

All you can learn from the club scene is how to handle a whore.
Don't try to learn how to date through porn games.

 

[OZtheW1ZARD]

I completely lost interest in the Dylan/Sophia bathroom scene, so I don't know what the conversation was about after that.

However, this is what I remember.

Dylan was angry that someone else was seeing Sophia's body at the beauty salon and was suspicious of Sophia for letting the situation go by.

But when Dylan returned to her house, he encouraged Sophia to show off her body to other people, saying that people would like Sophia's body and that Dylan was proud of her.

Sofia's drinking always led to incidents and she always regretted it, but that day Sofia drank and she regretted it again.

And Sofia hid the fact that her own husband and Dylan's dad, Liam, had taken the photo of her. why?

It started with the Dylan/Sophia bathroom scene that people pointed out the sloppiness, contradictions, errors, and repetition of the dialogue.

This guy sees nothing, for defend L&P.

All you can learn from the club scene is how to handle a whore.
Don't try to learn how to date through porn games.

Haha You clearly have a problem with me. That's OK, but did you even read and understand what I wrote? Because you touched on all the points I wrote are nonsense.
As per handling a whore - good luck

 

[tofhdns]

Haha You clearly have a problem with me. That's OK, but did you even read and understand what I wrote? Because you touched on all the points I wrote are nonsense.
As per handling a whore - good luck

You definitely have a problem.

Don't try to learn something through porn games or porn videos, experience it in real life.

I have tried to ignore you at the urging of others, but you are saying something very dangerous and wrong.

People like you cause trouble to women in real life.

Go on the right date with the right girl.

 

[OZtheW1ZARD]

You definitely have a problem.

Don't try to learn something through porn games or porn videos, experience it in real life.

I have tried to ignore you at the urging of others, but you are saying something very dangerous and wrong.

People like you cause trouble to women in real life.

Go on the right date with the right girl.

Haha WTF? What are you talking about?
What have I wrote to lead you to this conclusion?

 

[tofhdns]

Haha WTF? What are you talking about?
What have I wrote to lead you to this conclusion?

If you don't know what the problem is, write down the lines of dialogue you remember from the game here.

I'll tell you right away how sloppy you are.

tick tick tick.....

 

[BillieKimochi]

This thread the last few days

 

[naughtynafz]

When I see ALL those AVNs scenes in public gyms Im 100% sure the author looks like this:

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Not a single guy who had ever put his feet in a public gym for more than 10 hours would ever do the ridiculous gropping all this guys do, and also, they only do those scenes because they have no clue how you flirt and date for real in gyms. She has to lurk around you and eventually break her frame forcing a casual conversation, you do not act like the creep that quits training and runs around gropping, that is VERY beta, not alpha gigachad. Just saying...

Guys, author is a confirmed fat weirdo, but definately not a gym chad, 10000% sure.

For the young guys, DONT DO THAT EVER! Even if you have a greek god body, DONT DO THAT! Im 43 and I've been in gyms for more than 20 years, I've NEVER seen that and I dont know a single girl who had ever suffered something like that. Casual but tap, yeah, but ridiculous ass gropping in the middle of the room, come on! you dont even do that kind of exercise in that section!

Guys, the club with a toddler, the gym gropping, the 40 yo women excited after a 16yo kids rock band "sound", etc... The author is a confirmed weirdo with no real life experience.

okay. everything is true. but for a adult vn, its necessary. otherwise there would be no sex or erotica or whatever. it will be just daily routine of a female protagonist.

 

[OZtheW1ZARD]

If you don't know what the problem is, write down the lines of dialogue you remember from the game here.

I'll tell you right away how sloppy you are.

tick tick tick.....
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Oh you can't? So you have just made some bushtit up then. Gee, thanks.

You are like that other guy that kept insisting that stuff is slowing down and then he himself provided numerical prof that actually number of renders produced remained constant throughout years except one time drop.

Are you 10 or something?

 

[holy_cat]

The sad thing is that at the time it was released, at least as far as I knew at the time, it was pretty unique and special. The problem being that he succumbed to pressure, and made it like every male protag game out 7 years ago
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I wanted to make a similar point but you were quicker.

It seems to me that nobody expects a '1 to 1' realism in this game (and in any other porn or erotic game). But 'early AWAM' was pretty close to real life dilemmas - contrary to 98% of games here, that on average are as sophisticated as a hammer. And it made the game distinct. Past tense intended.

To me, 'early Sophia' was at least to some extent believable in her 'internal dialogues' and decisions. Today her behaviour fits the logic of a standard porn game but it's not the same. It's a pity, I would say.

 

[DylansMoM_001]

To let everybody know that I'll be staying off of here for few weeks I need to take a break plus in 2 days I'll be getting a phone call from my doctor in Birmingham AL I been having problems with my back and if I do get a major surgery then I won't be able to come back on here for a long time so I know I'll be missing out a lot y'all don't worry I'll be fine but this ain't no laughing matter I know there has been few people laugh about things I put on here but this one is very serious and personal I don't usually share my personal life on here but I have made friends with y'all so I didn't want to leave without y'all knowing anything so now I'm getting off I'll be back soon if I have strength and energy to come back.

To let everybody know that I'll be staying off of here for few weeks I need to take a break plus in 2 days I'll be getting a phone call from my doctor in Birmingham AL I been having problems with my back and if I do get a major surgery then I won't be able to come back on here for a long time so I know I'll be missing out a lot y'all don't worry I'll be fine but this ain't no laughing matter I know there has been few people laugh about things I put on here but this one is very serious and personal I don't usually share my personal life on here but I have made friends with y'all so I didn't want to leave without y'all knowing anything so now I'm getting off I'll be back soon if I have strength and energy to come back.

Take care brother

 

[OZtheW1ZARD]

I wanted to make a similar point but you were quicker.

It seems to me that nobody expects a '1 to 1' realism in this game (and in any other porn or erotic game). But 'early AWAM' was pretty close to real life dilemmas - contrary to 98% of games here, that on average are as sophisticated as a hammer. And it made the game distinct. Past tense intended.

To me, 'early Sophia' was at least to some extent believable in her 'internal dialogues' and decisions. Today her behaviour fits the logic of a standard porn game but it's not the same. It's a pity, I would say.

That is a valid point, although eventually it had to change, as otherwise we wouldn't have an erotic VN or things would be moving even slower.

I think that to write a "realistic" VN you would need 100s of small step events that would escalate thing to the next step/ phase, followed by another 100s of micro steps escalating another step. Imagine what the length of that script would be like.

 

[palmtrees89]

You are like that other guy that kept insisting that stuff is slowing down and then he himself provided numerical prof that actually number of renders produced remained constant throughout years except one time drop.

Not again...

You yourself provided proof that things are going downhill, and not just a one-time drop in your split. I've been providing you with the yearly amount of renders from 2018 all the way through 2023, and every single year had less renders than the one prior, with the only exception being 2023 due to the last update that year (which was released on January 6th 2024).

Again, just for you!

2018: 2685 renders
2019: 2480 renders
2020: 2328 renders
2021: 1872 renders
2022: 1646 renders
2023: 1123 renders (+ ~760)

The only constant here is a constant downhill ride. So much for your "numerical proof".

 

[tofhdns]

Oh you can't? So you have just made some bushtit up then. Gee, thanks.

You are like that other guy that kept insisting that stuff is slowing down and then he himself provided numerical prof that actually number of renders produced remained constant throughout years except one time drop.

Are you 10 or something?

Poor little bastard.

Don't you remember any lines?

And there is no benefit to you if you change the topic of conversation to charts.
Everyone has already seen your ignorance.

 

[AlfredBundy4]

Yes, but that's the whole point right? Classic "Copier guy" syndrome.
I mean, no one believes story here is actually plausible right? Not saying stuff like that does not happen in real life, because it does, but never as presented in AWAM.
What I appreciate the most are these little nuggets that allow to suspend your disbelieve.

Take Dylan/Sophia date for example. The way the dialogue was written is how you should be talking to a woman.
Not those stupid one liner openings that only work in movies or Youtube, but a witty, intelligent conversation that keeps her interested and on her toes interlaced with very very subtle sexual remarks. Keep it intriguing and don't do creepy shit.
I mean if you struggle or have little experience talking to a woman you can learn a lot from that scene. I am not exaggerating.

Read all your replies after this and know that I don't have a problem with you personally at all. I don't even know you, lol.

But I don't know what you're talking about with regard to learning...anything...from this porn game (or any I can think of). That's closer to the exact shit I was referring to as far as mentality so please let me know the lines that you think are not just realistic but worthy of learning from. If you mean all the m'lady kinda shit...don't ever talk like that, lol. Just FYI.

Beyond that, I agree that nobody expects 1:1 realism in what is a dumbass porn game/story. However, my points for a long time now have been:

1) As another poster recently stated, AWAM early on had much more realistic dilemmas than what has been written since.

2) L&P claims their dumbass porn story to be more realistic and "higher art" than other dumbass porn stories so I hold it to the standard they claim necessitates a 30 year dev cycle.

3) With just a little bit more effort and actual experience, dev's COULD write more realistic stories. Using cliche after cliche and trope after trope is due to laziness and inability, not that porn stories have to be so comically unrealistic by default. People have sex. We all got here from sex. It's not as mystical and rare as the people I'm referring to think it is or treat it as. People fuck, lol.

That's all. I'd question the reasoning of anyone that heard that and disagreed.

Edit: for grammatical/spelling errors and added one line I forgot to add.

 

[AlfredBundy4]

I wanted to make a similar point but you were quicker.

It seems to me that nobody expects a '1 to 1' realism in this game (and in any other porn or erotic game). But 'early AWAM' was pretty close to real life dilemmas - contrary to 98% of games here, that on average are as sophisticated as a hammer. And it made the game distinct. Past tense intended.

To me, 'early Sophia' was at least to some extent believable in her 'internal dialogues' and decisions. Today her behaviour fits the logic of a standard porn game but it's not the same. It's a pity, I would say.

Nailed it. I was going to reply to them directly as they are a poster I have respected for a while now but you nailed it.

Nobody expects 1:1 but this dev claims a higher quality, so much so that they need 30 years to properly tell their dumbass porn story...so everyone should expect it.

Betond that, early AWAM absolutely was more realistic and had more believable dilemmas than the stuff released over the last few years. Still porn story stuff but in there was some admittedly higher level stuff.
I shit on AWAM and L&P because it's wasted potential more than anything. They CAN make good product and instead choose to be greedy, self-centered and egomaniacal while releasing less and less that's worse and worse rather than finishing this story.

Since that early work (for me around the subway scene with the goons)? Almost universally awful work, writing, decisions and actions at every step. A shame really.

 

[BillieKimochi]

I shit on AWAM and L&P because it's wasted potential more than anything.

That's exactly my main problem with AWAM besides the massive disrespect he throws at his patrons (i used to be one like many on this thread).
The potential at the start was immense but L&P just wasted a lot of it and now it starts to look like a badly written porno with Dylan as a second MC

 

[OZtheW1ZARD]

Not again...

You yourself provided proof that things are going downhill, and not just a one-time drop in your split. I've been providing you with the yearly amount of renders from 2018 all the way through 2023, and every single year had less renders than the one prior, with the only exception being 2023 due to the last update that year (which was released on January 6th 2024).

Again, just for you!

2018: 2685 renders
2019: 2480 renders
2020: 2328 renders
2021: 1872 renders
2022: 1646 renders
2023: 1123 renders (+ ~760)

The only constant here is a constant downhill ride. So much for your "numerical proof".

There he is
I know numbers are hard, we established that.



Also, as someone else also pointed out, if you only consider part 2 the work is actually speeding up slightly.
I know, a shocker.


You can argue that you don't like how fast the story progresses, I have no problems with that, but you simply can't say that L&P does not develop the game. The numbers don't lie! There was only one time the number dropped significantly (2021), and as we established this was around time when he changed the render.
The increase in time between the updates is due to more content contained in a single PD and not lack of game development.
If you still think this after seeing the numbers you are ignorant or don't understand what I am talking about.

Read all your replies after this and know that I don't have a problem with you personally at all. I don't even know you, lol.

But I don't know what you're talking about with regard to learning...anything...from this porn game (or any I can think of). That's closer to the exact shit I was referring to as far as mentality so please let me know the lines that you think are not just realistic but worthy of learning from. If you mean all the m'lady kinda shit...don't ever talk like that, lol. Just FYI.

Beyond that, I agree that nobody expects 1:1 realism in what is a dumbass porn game/story. However, my points for a long time now have been:

1) As another poster recently stated, AWAM early on had much more realistic dilemmas than what has been written since.

2) L&P claims their dumbass porn story to be more realistic and "higher art" than other dumbass porn stories so I hold it to the standard they claim necessitates a 30 year dev cycle.

3) With just a little bit more effort and actual experience, dev's COULD write more realistic stories. Using cliche after cliche and trope after trope is due to laziness and inability, not that porn stories have to be so comically unrealistic by default. People have sex. We all got here from sex. It's not as mystical and rare as the people I'm referring to think it is or treat it as. People fuck, lol.

That's all. I'd question the reasoning of anyone that heard that and disagreed.

Edit: for grammatical/spelling errors and added one line I forgot to add.

Hey mate, just to clarify I had no problem with your earlier statement. I understood the point exactly and it got its merits. Absolutely.
I was only wondering if the execution as you have envisioned would be feasible, that's all.
Should have been more clear.