rAmSiMaL

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He thinks that by publishing it the last minute he punishes “The pirates” who want to have it immediately and then publish it… So if you subscribe on 31st of the month at the highest rate you will pay also for the coming month since you won’t leave before the update is released.

Currently the upper tier that offers immediate release is 45 EUR or 30 GBP or 50 USD. Multiplied by 2 you are paying 90, 60 or 100 respectively. If there are 4 updates per year then your support is higher than the middle tier of 18, 15 or 21 respectively per month… (hence the rush to publish 31/1).

This is more or less the rationale behind the last minute update. It doesn’t apply though if the update is released after the 1st of the month or the 31st.

Financially is a fair point... However I don’t think all 400 additional subscribers are pirates to be punished… There are also people who just want to have the update immediately hence they pay the highest price.
 
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LUCIANO2020

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How long were you his supporter?
Were you an early supporter or did you get involved later?
First of all, you made the right decision for yourself. The developer asked you to support his project but you don't get what you expected, then it's right to stop supporting!
The game has been in development for 6 years. After the first two years it was clear what the speed of development was and, above all, how it would remain. That's what my second question was about. Everyone, really everyone, who decides to take part in a project like this should find out about the general conditions beforehand.
Furthermore, I believe that there is only a narrow period of time, if any, to "force" a developer to work faster by withdrawing financial support. And in my opinion, that opportunity at L&P is long gone. If he loses too many supporters now he will simply quit.
That doesn't mean that you did the wrong thing by discontinuing support, because it's your money, just the idea that you're setting an example for L&P to work faster is just naive.
And as a member before me asked: Did you inform him (L&) about this decision and your reasons on his website?
Because I don't think it will do much good on his website, but a post like that in this forum is like yelling at a wall.
i always wrote him and gave him advice about what supporters are expecting. As i wrote he is a good artist and if he need time i respect that and as i wrote i am not willing to wait another 6 years to see the end of the game . I can support other artist like Pixil for example. it doesnt matter what i expect the real problem is that L& Passion wrote officially that in the future the update were gonna be faster and is not happening . I dont want to push anybody to do nothing i realize that this is just a game and it would be great a monthly update if not possible then i respect that but i will not support that with my money.
 

XaGnard

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He thinks that by publishing it the last minute he punishes “The pirates” who want to have it immediately and then publish it… So if you subscribe on 31st of the month at the highest rate you will pay also for the coming month since you won’t leave before the update is released.

Currently the upper tier that offers immediate release is 45 EUR or 30 GBP or 50 USD. Multiplied by 2 you are paying 90, 60 or 100 respectively. If there are 4 updates per year then your support is higher than the middle tier of 18, 15 or 21 respectively per month… (hence the rush to publish 31/1).

This is more or less the rationale behind the last minute update. It doesn’t apply though if the update is released after the 1st of the month or the 31st.

Financially is a fair point... However I don’t think all 400 additional subscribers are pirates to be punished… There are also people who just want to have the update immediately hence they pay the highest price.
This practice of releasing a game later to "normal" paying players in order to make some higher priced packages more interesting is one of the biggest misdevelopments in the gaming industry in general (not just Patreon games). It builds on the fear of missing out and is a really sleazy approach. It really annoys me about Patreon games in particular, because it completely distorts the idea that everyone who supports a game to the best of their ability should be taken equally seriously. I think punishing people with less money who are still willing to give is pathetic. L&P is really going to extremes with their "Legend Vet", considering that until recently it would have been the equivalent of a AAA game every month. The whole thing is just sick.

Well, I've made it a rule to only support the smaller games here. Anything that has a good approach and where you can see that the developer isn't just taking people for a ride. The problem is that even the smaller developers often change their attitude as they get bigger. That's why I just gave up my last support game on patreon, because I just can't take the concept seriously anymore. There is a lack of control (e.g. actual milestones). Why should I put trust in a developer when much of the projects are going to get screwed up anyway?
 

Wbwbd85

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Wonder what that means. That supposed to be his anti-piracy feature? He's said a couple weeks ago that he's planning to implement a way to make it piracy-proof (or something along those lines). Pretty sure he wanted to have it ready for this release.

Things getting interesting over here. :D
Lp spends so much time worrying about the rats, but without the rat trap (F95) the rats don't know about his cheese (game).
 

palmtrees89

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i am not willing to wait another 6 years to see the end of the game .
Goes to show that his financial supporters (or ex now I guess?) are seemingly unaware of the fact that this game's completion is close to 40 years away. I'm always amazed to see how many people think this game could actually be finished in "only" 6 years when a single PD takes more than 2 years alone, with 17 more PD's to go.

Are you sure you've actually been a patron of L&P? How is it even possible not to notice that 6 years are barely 3 ingame days at this point? When I wasted my money on L&P back in 2020, it didn't take me long to bail out seeing how slow the development was, and that was at a time when this game would progress twice as fast. lol
 

armion82

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Preferably Sam, but I completely agree... let's see her get railed by someone finally!
According to the dev,Sam will be one of the last to have his way with Sophia-probably in last 5 days of the game.
That's at least 15-20 years.
So we can forget about Sophia/Sam sex scene.
 
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Gogo1236

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Goes to show that his financial supporters (or ex now I guess?) are seemingly unaware of the fact that this game's completion is close to 40 years away. I'm always amazed to see how many people think this game could actually be finished in "only" 6 years when a single PD takes more than 2 years alone, with 17 more PD's to go.

Are you sure you've actually been a patron of L&P? How is it even possible not to notice that 6 years are barely 3 ingame days at this point? When I wasted my money on L&P back in 2020, it didn't take me long to bail out seeing how slow the development was, and that was at a time when this game would progress twice as fast. lol
Only reasons I can see for his patrons sticking with him are,
a) Either majority of his patrons are low tier supporters i.e. 1$ to 5$ category and don't care.
b) Or they are super wealthy and don't give a shit about where their money goes.
c) Or there is a constant flow of subscribers to replace the ones that leave, being attracted by the quality of the game.
 

dan_roger69

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Only reasons I can see for his patrons sticking with him are,
a) Either majority of his patrons are low tier supporters i.e. 1$ to 5$ category and don't care.
b) Or they are super wealthy and don't give a shit about where their money goes.
c) Or there is a constant flow of subscribers to replace the ones that leave, being attracted by the quality of the game.
It is option "C". Most of us on this forum were Patreon once upon a time of AWAM
 

PFrede36

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At the moment you cant anything downlaod from the offical AWAM download site. Maybe the new update will upload to the AWAM site. Earlier today i could download the 191 version(Which is the same like 190 Version/ I dont know why its call the 191 version?)
 
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