Dr.SigmundFap

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My god, these walls of text and statistics about a porn game…
It's definitely not a porn game as of now.
If you go by L&P's quote, It was never a porn game... :whistle:

In other words: I'm trying to fuse art and eroticism, combined with a slowly developing story full of lust and passion, to create an aesthetic, realistic adult game. This is my first game of hopefully many more.

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palmtrees89

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You know that spitting nonsense does not make things right, right?
I totally am aware of that, but I'm not the one spitting nonsense, so...uhh.

Few pages back I made a claim that it is normal to expect longer production time with better quality renders. You disagreed.
A few pages back you made a comparison with your own art saying that 20hrs with less experience resulted in lower quality compared to 20hrs with more experience, but the 20hrs were still 20hrs. Get it? That's literally why I said you dunked on yourself as it makes the claim above nonsensical, and I further reinforced your art comparison with various arguments of my own, all of which you ignore.

Ironically, you later proved my points when presenting summary of renders per year from 2018 - 2023 that by accident shows that right about time when L&P switch the renders quality the amount of renders per year dropped drastically from around 2500 to 1500 (+/- 100) and this was the only time this happened.
And again you're twisting things, oh how surprising! I told you like 10 times there is no sudden change in render quality that would justify an even bigger drop in renders per year, and part of the reason as to why the drop shouldn't have happened can be read in the first paragraph of this response. But as always, you ignore it. :D

You also once again disregard the drop in renders every single year by coming up with your "average", when it is just that. Year 1/2/3 had an average of X. Year 4/5/6 had an average of X. That doesn't say anything about the very much real downhill ride during all those years, aka the drop in overall renders/year which even you admitted is a thing.

Your own data also shown that despite popular claim here, year on year the amount of renders produced by L&P remains very consistent and only drops around 5% year by year. Again, this is data you yourself provided. Thank you for that btw.
As I said before, which was ignored, you are playing it down. The drop is higher than 5% per year, especially from 2020 to 2021. The only thing "consistent" is the downhill ride, and 2020 to 2021 could even be called a free fall. That's the only consistent thing here.

No problem for providing the data that destroys everything you say, even tho in your mind it somehow helps bringing your nonsense across. As I said before, a 5% drop (still more than that) in renders per year adds up quite heavily over 7 years of development, and another 50 years to come.

There was also the graph done by another person that was showing that frequency of updates was declining but also the the quantity of content (renders) was staying roughly the same only experiencing slight decline (5%), but only if you consider part 1 and 2 together.
If compared separately, frequency was still declining, but quantity was actually rising.
This was too confusing to you so you provided the before mentioned summary again, which proved my point for the 2nd time.
This isn't about update frequency or the amount of renders a PD has. This is solely about the fact that L&P is producing less and less renders every single year except for 2023. That's the downhill ride, period.

Then you made an astonishing claim that PD containing progressively more content has had no impact on the update frequency. Which is very surprising because PDs are getting progressively bigger and, as shown by the data you presented, the no. of renders does stay roughly the same, then what else is affecting the frequency of the content?
You don't have to answer this question. Numbers do not lie.
I never said any of this. Show me where I said any of that, please. What I said is that bigger PD's have no impact on the amount of renders L&P can produce a year. An update with more renders takes more time, an update with less renders takes less time. Generally speaking, everything takes more time as L&P produces less renders every year.

You either can't comprehend what I'm saying, or you're at the point where you start to make shit up to save your ass. Either way, L&P is getting slower. I don't like it, but it is what it is.
 

rAmSiMaL

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I didn't quote your post to argue against your post, I just didn't want to call out OZ.

3.35% increase in 2019 compared to 2018
16.10% decrease in 2020 compared to 2019
19.58% decrease in 2021 compared to 2020
12.07% decrease in 2022 compared to 2021
31.77% decrease in 2023 compared to 2022

(764 is not included because it corresponds to 2024 year.)

OZ hid the 58.17% decrease in 2023 compared to 2018 with the words “about 5% year to year.”
(And that's a lie.)
- 59.53% decrease in 2023 compared to 2019

He is never speaking fairly.
You should go on accrual basis to be fair not on release basis. It is fairer I think.
 

palmtrees89

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You should go on accrual basis to be fair not on release basis. It is fairer I think.
Well, we can add those 760 renders to 2024 or 2023. It'll make one of the two look terrible. I usually go with the release dates, but in this case I kinda left it open aswell as 99% of devtime for the date night happened in 2023.
 

tofhdns

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You should go on accrual basis to be fair not on release basis. It is fairer I think.
This is about how much work L&P did in a year.

The most objective and fair standard is the number of renderings per year.

If there is any data that can be broken down to less than that, please let me know.
(Give me statistics, not words.)
 

tofhdns

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Well, we can add those 760 renders to 2024 or 2023. It'll make one of the two look terrible. I usually go with the release dates, but in this case I kinda left it open aswell as 99% of devtime for the date night happened in 2023.
Whether 764 is included in 2023 or 2024, after this year, OZ's words will be refuted by OZ's words.
(But, I think it is correct to include it in 2024.)
 

Edgar_P

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Could you please drop the statistics, number of renders per day, argument. I can assure you, that horse is as dead as can be, meat all dried up and hanging on the wall. No need to dance around it anymore.
 

crabboid

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It's definitely not a porn game as of now.
If you go by L&P's quote, It was never a porn game... :whistle:

In other words: I'm trying to fuse art and eroticism, combined with a slowly developing story full of lust and passion, to create an aesthetic, realistic adult game. This is my first game of hopefully many more.

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Well, whatever L&P is trying to dress this thing up as, it is not worth any human being (who should value what little time they have on this planet) devoting that much thought and energy into. I wish that L&P cared half this much.
 

JorellMartis

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Well, reading very little positive here, what I can understand because I don't like this stuff either. Have a look at that stats again finding out that still about 2000 people still pumping money in the game..... Amazing!

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And still making a nice sum of money. Who is doing well?
i've already said it, we're being fooled by L&P,
What if I told you L&P makes more than $100k from less than 2k patrons plus he runs his agenda on SubscriberStar,

If he says he wants to bring in a developer then he needs to buy the designer all the necessary tech that he needs that will make him meet game deadlines,
this game is his passive income, he's a lazy/liar dev,

delaying the sex and redefining past images is all part of his strategy to increase his income,

inshort he's buing time and people just keep subscribing like going to sunday church is a ritual
 

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If you go by L&P's quote, It was never a porn game... :whistle:

In other words: I'm trying to fuse art and eroticism, combined with a slowly developing story full of lust and passion, to create an aesthetic, realistic adult game. This is my first game of hopefully many more.

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He has some very weird ideas of quality. No sex= as low quality as it can possibly be.
 
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Couto25

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I already lost interest in this game...The VN has no story at all....there's no climax, no suspense now.....Just different character interaction left with sophia in different scenario(whatever enviornment and dresses or assets he will buy from his subscribers money) to show his artistic work....and how longer he will extend it with tease to reach upto sex.

I enjoy the fact that nobody is interested in the upcoming part story wise because there is no main plot lol .....everyone knows there will be no sex at all in upcoming update lol. Even spoilers became boring as most of us know what's coming up and how far the scene might go.

And the interesting topic discussion related to this VN has turned into how many renders he make per year and how many members are still paying him or how sophia look :LOL:

The beginning of downfall of AWAM.
 
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OZtheW1ZARD

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I didn't quote your post to argue against your post, I just didn't want to call out OZ.

3.35% increase in 2019 compared to 2018
16.10% decrease in 2020 compared to 2019
19.58% decrease in 2021 compared to 2020
12.07% decrease in 2022 compared to 2021
31.77% decrease in 2023 compared to 2022

(764 is not included because it corresponds to 2024 year.)

OZ hid the 58.17% decrease in 2023 compared to 2018 with the words “about 5% year to year.”
(And that's a lie.)
- 59.53% decrease in 2023 compared to 2019

He is never speaking fairly.
I haven't. I mentioned this on multiple occasions in my post and earlier.
764 is included in 2023, because it was released in 1st days of 2024. This has been brought to my attention. We both agreed on that fact.

Also your % are wrong.

2018-2019 - 7.6% decrease,
2019-2020 - 6.1% decrease,
2020-2021 - 19.6% decrease - this is the jump I mentioned,
2021-2022 - 12.1% decrease,
2022-2023 - 12.5% increase.

Not really the abandoned development it has been branded as.

Edit: corrected 2022- 2023 , as pointed out by tofhdns this is actually an increase and not a decrease. Misspelled there, sorry.
Edit 2: corrected 2018-2019, correct value is 7.6% and not 7.3% as stated earlier; pointed out by tofhdns
 
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Anteron

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I post a comment about this a couple of pages back, but here is the link again.

https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-201-lust-passion.5944/post-3931853

The question is, if he made a 'quality' scene that produced 20 CS/Renders and removed 5 of them, would his 'quality' suffer, and how so?
He also makes too many "bullshit" renders - like 3 of her every time she walks through a door. No sane person cares about that. That's the rapidly click through - which at this point is the entire game.
 

armion82

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I haven't. I mentioned this on multiple occasions in my post and earlier.
764 is included in 2023, because it was released in 1st days of 2024. This has been brought to my attention. We both agreed on that fact.

Also your % are wrong.

2018-2019 - 7.3% decrease,
2019-2020 - 6.1% decrease,
2020-2021 - 19.6% decrease - this is the jump I mentioned,
2021-2022 - 12.1% decrease,
2022-2023 - 12.5% decrease.

Not really the abandoned development it has been branded as.
But you should exclude the update at the beginning of 2023,because it was done almost 100% in 2022.
And same thing go for other years.
So in the end 2017-2018-2019 was the years with way more renders,by a lot more-around 1000.
 
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