VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.205b] [Lust & Passion]

[Angmir]

But who even said about thinking from Liam's perspective. Sophia having sex with street side thugs and old men is also super humiliating if thought from Liam's perspective, even more Dylan's perspective since she is his mother but we don't. It is Sophia's perspective we follow and look at, other people's perspective don't matter in every scene unless L&P explicitly makes a scene showing their perspective, like he did for Dylan and Liam in one event each.

This was about "Immoral Proposition". And kind of men that possibly would like that movie very much.

There seems to be missunderstanding. I just giving up reasons why, the game focuses more on the "ugly bastards"/teen boys than atractive/successful men.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

I don't care which year, just that I should be alive by the time I get to see it

.......... That was a joke.

 

[Sabertooth__]

I found this today and I believe the Germans here need to answer what is the truth. Maybe L&P himself could give an insight.



Ps - I just wanted to share this meme with the Germans, since I don't know any on my social media, I thought this is the only place.

 

[keefer43]

You are right.

But notice that "Indecent Proposal" scenario is mostly female-only fantasy ;-

Man simply dont really dig this trope too much. (well I guess some small number of NTR self-humiliation fans there exist) I personaly am lukewarm to this kind of scenarios. Some men do actualy hate them, as they make them feel inadequate and belitled when confronted by a truely atractive, powerfull and confident man. Seeing the girl with loosers, flawed and ordinary men beeing easier to stomach.

In the end - again - the problem is - this is (like 99,9% of all of them) male audience centered game, made by a man.
;-)

I do feel sorry that it leaves you and other hetero women somewhat dissatisfied, but that's how it is.
Just try to enjoy the corruption parts, and maybe even the Morelo storyline will turn out to be more catered to your tastes. Who knows, maybe it will evolve into a route where Sophia becomes Mistress of the Mafia.

OK, I am Morello/Larry in any Indecent Proposal setting - that is fine with me.

 

[Hlextor]

I found this today and I believe the Germans here need to answer what is the truth. Maybe L&P himself could give an insight.

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Ps - I just wanted to share this meme with the Germans, since I don't know any on my social media, I thought this is the only place.

I don’t know the meaning with … „to bath with friends is normal in Germany” uhm maybe?

John Wick (Keanu Reeves) plays a short role in the Netflix Movie „SpongeBob Schwammkopf: Eine schwammtastische Rettung“

Not my cup of tea

 

[hmc15]

I don’t know the meaning with … „to bath with friends is normal in Germany” uhm maybe?

John Wick (Keanu Reeves) plays a short role in the Netflix Movie „SpongeBob Schwammkopf: Eine schwammtastische Rettung“

Not my cup of tea

Spongebob is everyone cup of tea ! XD

 

[anthonycork80]

Spoiler: Russian Shot Putter?

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[palmtrees89]

I found this today and I believe the Germans here need to answer what is the truth. Maybe L&P himself could give an insight.

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Ps - I just wanted to share this meme with the Germans, since I don't know any on my social media, I thought this is the only place.

Unfortunately, it's not. I personally wouldn't mind if it would include only my female friends, though.

 

[swaghaver9000]

When's the next update due?

 

[hzjujk]

You're talking about the jogging event? That was by far better than the previous events with Dylan and Sophia? I mean, his behavior towards Sophia was, in my opinion, relaxed towards his mother. Starting with the scene where Sophia asks him to join her for a jog. One PD earlier, we wouldn't have had a choice whether he went jogging with her or preferred to lie lazily on the sofa. I think he would not have left this chance to go jogging with her. And also the conversation itself was - as far as I can remember - very adult and not the usual needy behavior of Dylan.

Very grown up? No, rather not? The only difference was that Dylan no longer had any shame to admit his sexual preferences towards his mother. And that makes him, no not more grown-up, more relaxed in dealing with women and especially with Sophia. But you are right when you mention that the dialogues no longer seem so terrible and Dylan no longer appears to be a complete idiot.

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

This gets better.

It's actually 2 GPUs. Pretty sure he uses 1 machine only.

Welp, there goes the rendering PC2 machine.

 

[hzjujk]

L&P does visit this forum once or twice a year, but only to start some drama, insulting people etc. He doesn't usually respond to questions or support on here, but to people criticizing his work. So, your best bet would be to insult him while adding that picture at the end of your post in 6 months or so.

There's an e-mail address on his Patreon page you could try to contact, but I wouldn't get my hopes up that stuff like this is getting fixed. Atleast not anytime soon. I'd be surprised if the major bug with Dylan's relationship points in the current version of the game is getting a fix, to be honest. But we'll see in approximately 4 weeks from now.

A big mistake? Don't overdo it a little. Especially since it can be bypassed so easily with the available cheat function. A big mistake for me would mean the game crashes or a point at which it really doesn't go on, a wrong branching of the routes, but something like that ...? Here an elephant is made out of a mosquito for your line of argument.

 

[AchedCroissant]

This gets better.

It's actually 2 GPUs. Pretty sure he uses 1 machine only.

Welp, there goes the rendering PC2 machine.

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[hzjujk]

I agree with you as I don't see Morello/Larry being in the game for much longer,my opinion,and I also don't see Sophia visiting Larry again in prison.
I think that this event had 3 goals
Corrupt Sophia some more
To clear the debt
A solution for either Aiden/Bennett.

So to say that first, I like the prison scene !!! My favorite picture of Sophia is from this scene. Nevertheless, I think that L&P has done too much work for a few more corruption points. Or for a debt event that has so far had no real consequences for Liam. Or to create a way that the Aiden / Bennett routes can be terminated. Especially since I'm convinced at the moment anyway that Sophia must know that was hidden under Ares Aiden in order to be able to / want to really play the Morello card. Of all the secondary routes, the Morello would really be a waste without any further influence on the further story.

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

I'm pretty sure that's not what he is saying but just to make sure please point me to where he is saying that.

He has some difficulties, give him a discount.

• He thinks making 90% of a render, closing it, do another 20 renders like that, then reopen all one by one and finishing the 10% is a good way of doing things for some reason other than losing a large amount of time.
• He's been loud about 2 PCs when its getting clearer from the pictures above that it's one PC.
• He didn't know what batch rendering was, and admitted so, but that didnt kept him from being against it (for some reason, we're still trying to figure out which).
• He never touched Daz even for a second and compared streamlining development to eating food or downloading a file.
• He has no clue about Daz but believes anyone who tells him about preview errors and uses that argument, then when that person who told him about those errors leaves him alone in the discussion because it wasn't actually an error he could show an example and even if he did "it doesn't happen all the time", he quietly lets that go.
• He didn't even know you could preview the full scene before rendering.
• He thinks light systems is something that isnt adjustable like props, shaders, poses, expressions, dforce etc etc.

 

[Old Dog]

So to say that first, I like the prison scene !!! My favorite picture of Sophia is from this scene. Nevertheless, I think that L&P has done too much work for a few more corruption points. Or for a debt event that has so far had no real consequences for Liam. Or to create a way that the Aiden / Bennett routes can be terminated. Especially since I'm convinced at the moment anyway that Sophia must know that was hidden under Ares Aiden in order to be able to / want to really play the Morello card. Of all the secondary routes, the Morello would really be a waste without any further influence on the further story.

Maybe Morello will switch over to Liam, since he has so little respect for him but a lot of respect for Sophia as surely Morello will know what his brother asked Sophia to do.
Sophia has done all the leg work while Liam has sat back and enjoyed the free ride with no consequences (so far known to him)for his actions.
As far as L&P in concerned Sophia is never forced to do anything(includign the prison scene event)which seems strange to me as when you read Sophia's dialog its like emotional blackmail,Sophia is after all trying to stop her family being thrown out on the streets,homeless

 

[hzjujk]

You are right.

But notice that "Indecent Proposal" scenario is mostly female-only fantasy ;-

Man simply dont really dig this trope too much. (well I guess some small number of NTR self-humiliation fans there exist) I personaly am lukewarm to this kind of scenarios. Some men do actualy hate them, as they make them feel inadequate and belitled when confronted by a truely atractive, powerfull and confident man. Seeing the girl with loosers, flawed and ordinary men beeing easier to stomach.

In the end - again - the problem is - this is (like 99,9% of all of them) male audience centered game, made by a man.
;-)

I do feel sorry that it leaves you and other hetero women somewhat dissatisfied, but that's how it is.
Just try to enjoy the corruption parts, and maybe even the Morelo storyline will turn out to be more catered to your tastes. Who knows, maybe it will evolve into a route where Sophia becomes Mistress of the Mafia.

The main problem in the real world and in this type of game is that a man who has sex with many women is a hero and a woman who does exactly the same with men is perceived as a slut / whore. Very rarely does a developer manage to portray the woman as the mistress of her fate during the entire game. And that is also the problem if you want to portray the woman in the end both sexually and economically independent and at the same time show her in a romantic relationship with a partner (man of the same age). This is often neither rationally nor emotionally accepted by women or men.

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

Your dissapointment is understandable, but it is simply not a game like that.

It is not dating sim game, with a goal of building a happy fullfilling relationship, but a corruption game, where you see a woman in simingly fullfilling relationship and life status, go wild, have that life changed compleatly, and stumble into more and more debauchery.
It is a lot nicer, more realistic and tactfull that some other havy handed games of this genre, where the Main Heroine ends up fucking everyone and their dogs few seconds after meeting them, but it is in the same genre.

Anyway - the goal of the game isn't to choose a new - better path of life for Sophia, but to see her succumb to all sort of new pleasures, to make bad and immoral things, and enjoy it.
As is the player ;-)

I guess it will be up to you - the player - how you handle her moral descend, and if you will keep her sins in moderate range or not ;-) (I'd say she allready is a criminal ofender, didling her own daughter and underage boys and girls ;p )

Oh don't get me wrong. So far, with the exception of tutoring 2nd side job, I have been choosing every possible option to corrupt Sophia as much as possible as soon as possible, so that can get every scene possible. I have mentioned a few times that I was disappointed that soccer coaching got moved to DLC, as I wanted Sophia to finally enjoy her teenage gangbang fantasies.

It is just whereas I could reel off 7-8 females that I would like to see have sex with Sophia, there are far fewer males that I feel the same way.

 

[lockerxx]

It is just whereas I could reel off 7-8 females that I would like to see have sex with Sophia, there are far fewer males that I feel the same way.

a lesbian orgy .

 

[Lord_Xanatos]

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