VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.205b] [Lust & Passion]

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Poser_Voyeur

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xxxorro said:
Thanks for sharing!

There you go, pages and pages of theories for what turns out to be a "simple" bug. :D
He sure knows how to keep us busy!

Not to be pedantic, but I wonder at what point of the discussion the missing instructions were supposed to appear
Python: 
ai "Come to our hang-out place later after school!"
"Sophia didn't like that at all and wondered what he was up to."
s "Why?"
ai "There, you'll learn your next task."
s "And why can't you just tell me now?"
ai "'Cause I haven't decided yet. I need some time to think, ya know?"
ai "It's not that easy considering the variety of possible great tasks for you *grin*!"
s "*Sigh.* Goddammit! OK, but I'll only come if we're alone there! Without your buddies!"
ai "Sure."
"Sophia didn't believe Aiden. She knew he'll probaby still have his buddies with him because he's too scared to be alone!"
"Sophia had a queasy feeling about being alone with his gang again."
Probably it's before the "*Sigh.* Goddammit!" where he asks for the dress.
Sure that makes a lot more sense, it is still strange on a different way, though.
I mean, Aiden doesn't know yet what task will be ("variety of possible great tasks ") but he apparently asks for a very specific dress :unsure:

And while bugs always happens, when we said that the released felt rushed maybe we were not that wrong. The animations obviously monopolized the development and probably also the attention for the other aspects of the game.
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He may not have asked for a specific dress. Probably he just gav her one or two criteria that Sophia would hav to follow. e.g. the smart but sexy business suit for the 4th task.
 
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Talcum Powder

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yihman1 said:
Blackmail is a form of extortion. Aiden is commiting multiple forms of extortion including blackmail, but more so he is running a "Protection Scheme".

Extortion = Getting some benefit via coercion.
Coersion = Getting someone to do something they do not want to do willingly.

There are 3 main forms of extortion, and extortion comes in many forms little nearly harmless kinds to brutal kinds.

1) Blackmail.

Examples of blackmail:

Minor: "If you do not wash the dishes for me then I will tell mom you were smoking cigarettes. You will be grounded."
Major: "If you don't pay for my college dad I will tell mom about that affair you had with the babysitter!"

2) Protection

Examples of protection:
Minor: "Give me your lunch money or I will beat you up kiddo."
Major: "It would be terrible if your business burned down. Would you like to buy some fire insurance off me and my associates?"

3) Ransom

Examples of ransom:

Minor: "I have locked your PlayStation in the closet until your room is clean!"
Major: "Your child has been kidnapped. Pay me if you want him back."
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I disagree: There is no threat from Aiden to reveal compromising information. Aiden is doing none of what you list under blackmail. Protection schemes are coverd by the definitions of extortion I provided. Your ransom examples both fall under the definition(s) of extortion. I'm comfortable with my sources and interpretation, take it or leave it I guess.
 
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palmtrees89

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Talcum Powder said:
I’m not wrong. You, my friend, are copy/pasting from the google search preview from "MyLawQuestions.com" - which is, well, not disreputable or anything, but designed to distill things down to a basic level of understanding. It is what it is.

Based on these sources, below, I am going to label myself the exact opposite of wrong:

18 U.S. Code Chapter 41 - EXTORTION AND THREATS
18 U.S. Code § 873 - Blackmail
Whoever, under a threat of informing, or as a consideration for not informing, against any violation of any law of the United States, demands or receives any money or other valuable thing, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

All other sub-chapters of 18 USC 41 refer to threats of violence or demands of ransom. Erego, I concluded, rightly I think, that Blackmail is specifically NOT the threat of violence but rather the threat of revealing embarassing or compromising information.

But you know, what's one source over another, so:

Miriam Webster:
extort
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ex·tort | \ ik-ˈstȯrt \
extorted; extorting; extorts
: to obtain from a person by force, intimidation, or undue or illegal power :
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blackmail
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black·mail | \ ˈblak-ˌmāl \
1: a tribute anciently exacted on the Scottish border by plundering chiefs in exchange for immunity from pillage
[this definition may explain why modern-day blackmail is sometimes conflated with threats of violence]
2a: extortion or coercion by threats especially of public exposure or criminal prosecution

From Lexico (Oxford English):
extort
VERB
  • Obtain (something) by force, threats, or other unfair means.
blackmail
NOUN
  • The action, treated as a criminal offence, of demanding payment or another benefit from someone in return for not revealing compromising or damaging information about them.
Oxford Learner's Dictionaries (you know, for kids):
extortion
noun
the crime of making somebody give you something by threatening them
blackmail
noun
the crime of demanding money from a person by threatening to tell somebody else a secret about them

Unless Aiden is threatening to release those classroom pictures of Sophia exposing herself, he's not committing blackmail. And, duh, silly me, he doesn't have those photos, does he?
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Do you really need me to start quoting several other sources stating how Blackmail can be many things, one of them being the threat of physical harm to make the victim do something for them?

Cambridge Dictionary;

"the act of getting money from people or forcing them to do something by threatening to tell a secret of theirs or to harm them"

"the act of threatening to harm someone or someone's reputation unless the person does as you say, or a payment made to someone who has threatened to harm you or your reputation if you fail to pay the person."

"a situation in which threats are made to harm a person or organization if they do not do something such as give someone money."

Wikipedia (granted, not the best source in some cases);

"Blackmail is an act of coercion using the threat of revealing or publicizing either substantially true or false information about a person or people unless certain demands are met. It is often damaging information, and it may be revealed to family members or associates rather than to the general public. These acts can also involve using threats of physical, mental or emotional harm, or of criminal prosecution, against the victim or someone close to the victim. It is normally carried out for personal gain, most commonly of position, money, or property."

The second you started quoting U.S Code had me pretty much lost, because whatever the meaning might be in the U.S., it certainly doesn't have to be the same in every other country on this planet, which is why I feel like there might be cultural differences here. You can literally find a million different definitions on the internet. Some would support what you said, others would support what I said.

So yeah, I'd say you've proven that it's not entirely clear what it is or isn't. But going back to the original reason for the discussion, my point still stands that what's going on between Aiden and Sophia certainly is not a simple "deal" as mentioned by another forum user who denied the fact that it is Blackmail (or as in your quoted definitions extortion).

My apologies for straight up calling what you said previously wrong. Guess it's not that simple.
 
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follardo

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What do I expect for this update? Aiden renegotiates assignments with Sophia by reducing the number of tasks left in exchange to make a show for the boys there. Maybe 2 tasks less for showing her breasts and 2 less to make a threesome grope. Anyway, Aiden can get the same by raising level of threats to her son. Maybe, Sophia could relive this scene but this time collaborating much more.

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follardo said:
What do I expect for this update? Aiden renegotiates assignments with Sophia by reducing the number of tasks left in exchange to make a show for the boys there. Maybe 2 tasks less for showing her breasts and 2 less to make a threesome grope. Anyway, Aiden can get the same by raising level of threats to her son. Maybe, Sophia could relive this scene but this time collaborating much more.

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Hahaha. Optimistic are we? I wish something like this would happen, but I have learned from others here that optimism is often a loosing strategy with this game. To bad I'm in love with the MC, otherwise I would have ditched it.
 
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follardo said:
What do I expect for this update? Aiden renegotiates assignments with Sophia by reducing the number of tasks left in exchange to make a show for the boys there. Maybe 2 tasks less for showing her breasts and 2 less to make a threesome grope. Anyway, Aiden can get the same by raising level of threats to her son. Maybe, Sophia could relive this scene but this time collaborating much more.

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Nicely done - very logical too - Is this "L&P logic" (Porn Logic)?
 
yihman1

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Talcum Powder said:
I disagree: There is no threat from Aiden to reveal compromising information. Aiden is doing none of what you list under blackmail. Protection schemes are coverd by the definitions of extortion I provided. Your ransom examples both fall under the definition(s) of extortion. I'm comfortable with my sources and interpretation, take it or leave it I guess.
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Things will likely lead to blackmail as well as part of his extortion.

Now it is: "We will beat up your son if you don't do the 10 tasks." That is protection racket.

Later on Aiden will likely get some lewd photos of Sophia and threaten to take them to her boss, or her husband in blackmail.

A guy like that will use every thing he can do to get more and more out of her.

The blanket term "Blackmail" is used in the tags. There is no "Extortion" tag. Blackmail tag covers all forms of extortion.
 
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armion82

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Alley_Cat said:
Not only is Patricia better at getting Sophia naked, without resorting to blackmail/extortion/whatever, but looks far better naked than Aiden/Bennett/etc.

TLDR: Patricia has boobs. Boobs are awesome. Pussy too
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We have at least 10 female charcaters that are better than Aiden/Bennett.
Sadly the one he chosse for the sex scene(Jennifer) is not in my top 10 AWAM female characters.
Even if I don't count the big 3(Sophia,Patricia and Ellie)Jennifer still can't enter top 10.
 
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As I wrote in several posts over time on the topic, what we see here with the Aiden meeting (and the complications some assume to see)is that L&P knows he has to speed up development, since there was enough grumbling even among his hardcore fans he recognises that he is close to the border what he can artificial slowing down.
So now he has to speed up, but neither he nor his main storylines are advanced enough for this. I am rather sure that the teaser pics we saw were planned for the "corruption/filthy path" only, where a slowly becoming wilder Sophia likes to tease and show off, got off on "voyeuring" the threesome at school, looks forward to the triple date, etc.
I theorise there were renders planned specifically for the "good wife" or "neutral wife" paths, where Sophia would either wear something completely different (e.g. trousers or skirted trousers) or would have second thoughts and having a chat with Aiden from a longer distance. But that would mean a lot more renders to be made, which L&P cannot do with his glacial pacing anymore.

So I think he just made the "corruption path" renders (wich is the most popular path) and more or less force-attaches the stories for neutral and good wife onto it. Hence the problems seen be some, since the pics were in the beginning only meant for wild Sophia, but now must fill up the gaps in the other paths.
 
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Isidora N. said:
Let's clear something out :

in 5 years MC and other 2 main (Dillon & Sam) characters who's been in 75% of the game and updates most presented ...

and first animation is from girl and few school guys who's not even seen in game pity 0,03% during those 5 years ??

So either most of ppl are blind , retarded or just burner accounts but...

IN 5 YEARS MC , DILLON AND SAM HAVE ZERO SEXUAL CONTENT (XCLUDE HUSBAND + MC CAUSE HUSBAND IS ALSO SHOWN AT LEAST 30 TIMES LESS DURING THOSE 5 YEARS compare to others 3 !! )

So literally...we watching movie where Arnold Schwarzenegger plays Terminator with zero action on his own, just standing in the corner not killing any human despite movie is about killing them...but random truck driver who 's been shown in quick 3 minutes scene killed half of football stadium got action of the year award and only thing in movie that actually MOVES !!

LOL ?? WTF ??

Must be funny in the brains of some beavers. If only I had that low IQ to CHEER AND watch movie where 2 hours main character just standing DOES NOTHING and some random 2 minutes casting pawn have billon actions and works !!
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Talcum Powder

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yihman1 said:
The blanket term "Blackmail" is used in the tags. There is no "Extortion" tag. Blackmail tag covers all forms of extortion.
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The problem I have with this are twofold: first, I don't consider the metadata attached to a thread on a pirate-porn site to be definitive proof of anything and, "extortion" is the blanket term, blackmail is in the subset and specific to revealing compromising information and not at all part of Aiden's racket.

But enough of this tit-for-tat, am I mistaken or are there zero pigeons in either of the teasers?
 
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