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nexer

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I don't think this game is now "realistic"
After 2nd job event
No teacher on her first day use its students as model to demonstrate masturbation
Even after 1st job event
She promised them to wear that nurse outfit(revealing one ) in there next meet
Concerning to Aiden event after what Aiden just made her do it she should report him and send Dylan to boarding school Dylan would be safe and she would no longer be blackmailed this would be more realistic option(maybe L&P present an option in 4th task to stop the blackmail)but it will definitely end in humiliation what if Dylan,Liam found about art event they would be disgusted
So yeah Aiden has already broked Sophia to some extent
For e.g. First side job:
Each with their own life experience. But as an example, my 75 year old neighbour is nursed by a woman/girl under 30, 24 hours a day. Means washing him too.
I happen to know the neighbor and he likes women... a lot.
 

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For e.g. First side job:
Each with their own life experience. But as an example, my 75 year old neighbour is nursed by a woman/girl under 30, 24 hours a day. Means washing him too.
I happen to know the neighbor and he likes women... a lot.
No I meant from the nurse outfit she promised them to wear at the end of the event that seems unrealistic as why would she agree on wearing a revealing outfit (lust is taking over)
Washing and all other things happened were fine
 
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Two well-known manipulation techniques :devilish:

1. fear then relief. >>>> Dylan
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2. victimization >>>> hobos
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In the future, Sophia will be able to stop Aiden's blackmail.

If she knows that Dylan can fight it could be done in a 'clean' way, if not, it could be more complicated for her or require some dirty/filthy actions. :cool:

Dylann' ability to fight won't be the only determining factor :coffee:
I don't know if the fighting or, more generally, this raise in self-esteem will end Aiden's extortion or it will make things even worse. When I read this:
Python:
s "I told you to stay away from him! It's all already taken care of!"
dy "Yeah, yeah, whatever! I already taught one of his guys a lesson!"
s "What??? What did you do?!"
dy "Oh, nothing special. It's just that earlier, we were briefly at the public swimming pool over there on the hill where I spotted the bike of one of his guys."
dy "So I trifled a 'lil bit with his brakes *grin*."
dy "Hope he had an exciting ride back down the hill *ha-ha*."
s "Have you lost it? What if someone had caught you?!"
s "That guy could have gotten seriously hurt!"
dy "That was exactly the point of it!"
s "*Sigh.*"
s "Please don't do such bullshit again!"
This potentially could have a snowball effect to degenerate into something even more nastier, piss off Aiden and making Sophia pay for that.
I said potentially. Sophia's inner thoughts about going on with the deal to prevent exactly this, as many already said, open the path to different trajectory.

BTW what happened to the San Alejo Beavers? Did they finish their tour? ;)

For me the VN is unrealistic at it's core. It not only tried to depict the corruption of a demure faithful wife in ONE MONTH in game time but additionally shows her as a mother having sexual relations with both her teenage children. Such a premise is always going to unrealistic and a fantasy. So SOME suspension of belief is required.

So with that proviso I think it is fair that L&P is at least trying to present a more realistic pace of corruption than most porn games / VN. I agree with the Subway Station scene - I avoided that scene as it seemed stupid when Sophia could simply jump in her car and did nt feel as if it was taking the story forward. And I have already commented about the issues with 2nd side job, the sex ed of home tutor kids.

So I do give L&P credit for trying to aim at realism, even if he does nt always quite manage it.
I agree, for me it is not really how likely it is to happen in real life but it's more the way the story is told.
I think we can say that there is a good character development, especially for the MC: the effort to try to give a glimpse of her inner thoughts and trying to rationalize the decisions is really what makes the difference for me. Not that it is perfect, debatable at times etc, but at least it gives some depth to the story.

Also, maybe many will disagree on this, the context and the dialogues makes the scenes/event to feel more just an erotic show. For example all the explanations about the Greek mythology are very important to set the tone of the scene, keeping alive the contrast between what could be a "normal" modeling scene involving nudity (just under a true artistic point of view) and Sophia's POV, conflicted between the shame, the pleasure of being exposed, and the fuzzy line between being used and getting excited by the situation. Sure, at times the dialogues feels a bit too much or too long, but I think overall he did a great job researching the subject and set up the event like that.

I noticed that if Sophia doesn't allow Aiden to touch her breasts, we don't get a close-up of the student paintings but the deal with Aiden continues.
So, I think we will have 2 options on the 4th task.
Actually 3, because if she doesn't pose as Aphrodite nothing happens with Aiden. And if she doesn't allow Ares to touch her breast she doesn't know he is Aiden. In a way we have a similar setting as Larry, depending how far she goes there might be different scenarios down the road.
 

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I don't know if the fighting or, more generally, this raise in self-esteem will end Aiden's extortion or it will make things even worse. When I read this:
Python:
s "I told you to stay away from him! It's all already taken care of!"
dy "Yeah, yeah, whatever! I already taught one of his guys a lesson!"
s "What??? What did you do?!"
dy "Oh, nothing special. It's just that earlier, we were briefly at the public swimming pool over there on the hill where I spotted the bike of one of his guys."
dy "So I trifled a 'lil bit with his brakes *grin*."
dy "Hope he had an exciting ride back down the hill *ha-ha*."
s "Have you lost it? What if someone had caught you?!"
s "That guy could have gotten seriously hurt!"
dy "That was exactly the point of it!"
s "*Sigh.*"
s "Please don't do such bullshit again!"
This potentially could have a snowball effect to degenerate into something even more nastier, piss off Aiden and making Sophia pay for that.
I said potentially. Sophia's inner thoughts about going on with the deal to prevent exactly this, as many already said, open the path to different trajectory.

BTW what happened to the San Alejo Beavers? Did they finish their tour? ;)


I agree, for me it is not really how likely it is to happen in real life but it's more the way the story is told.
I think we can say that there is a good character development, especially for the MC: the effort to try to give a glimpse of her inner thoughts and trying to rationalize the decisions is really what makes the difference for me. Not that it is perfect, debatable at times etc, but at least it gives some depth to the story.

Also, maybe many will disagree on this, the context and the dialogues makes the scenes/event to feel more just an erotic show. For example all the explanations about the Greek mythology are very important to set the tone of the scene, keeping alive the contrast between what could be a "normal" modeling scene involving nudity (just under a true artistic point of view) and Sophia's POV, conflicted between the shame, the pleasure of being exposed, and the fuzzy line between being used and getting excited by the situation. Sure, at times the dialogues feels a bit too much or too long, but I think overall he did a great job researching the subject and set up the event like that.


Actually 3, because if she doesn't pose as Aphrodite nothing happens with Aiden. And if she doesn't allow Ares to touch her breast she doesn't know he is Aiden. In a way we have a similar setting as Larry, depending how far she goes there might be different scenarios down the road.
The 3rd task was the last "forceful" to keep Dylan. The 4th task will be optional. But only if you did the right decisions before. And Sophia will also need to think about the decision carefully.
So is this decision time for choosing either Bennett or Aiden?
 
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is Sophia's consent required ..? even in a transgressive stuff like an erotic game? still with this damned politically correct ...? Really...
Hey, keep calm. Yes it is politically correct. It fits in with the times. But it also corresponds to my value system. Everyone has their fetishes here. And I don't like this one at all. When people, men, women and children are forced to do something. To experience that is uncomfortable for me. Even if it only happens in one story. Just as you don't have to apologize for your fetishes here, so can I share my opinion on it.
 

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Do you know what it is, folks? I don't read the developer's mind but something tells me that Sophia will eventually fall in love with Aiden. Nothing serious, but they will have a completely consenting affair. It can be seen from the latest update where Sophia is not at all displeased by the attentions of the anonymous Ares squeezing her boobs and pubic area. Yes, when she discovers it's him she pretends to be indignant but more out of duty and conditional effect than anything else. I think the story with Aiden will precede the one with Dylan a little bit, which I cheer for. At first Sophia will be torn between the two but when she sees that deep down the bond with Aiden is not a serious thing and she understands Dylan's much deeper intentions, she will join him. I accept bets.
 
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Hey, keep calm. Yes it is politically correct. It fits in with the times. But it also corresponds to my value system. Everyone has their fetishes here. And I don't like this one at all. When people, men, women and children are forced to do something. To experience that is uncomfortable for me. Even if it only happens in one story. Just as you don't have to apologize for your fetishes here, so can I share my opinion on it.
Look, if you are an American I give up arguing with you on this subject. This politically correct thing is so specifically American stuff that trying to question it with you Americans is wasted effort. Keep it if you like.
 

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Do you know what it is, folks? I don't read the developer's mind but something tells me that Sophia will eventually fall in love with Aiden. Nothing serious, but they will have a completely consenting affair. It can be seen from the latest update where Sophia is not at all displeased by the attentions of the anonymous Ares squeezing her boobs and pubic area. Yes, when she discovers it's him she pretends to be indignant but more out of duty and conditional effect than anything else. I think the story with Aiden will precede the one with Dylan a little bit, which I cheer for. At first Sophia will be torn between the two but when she sees that deep down the bond with Aiden is not a serious thing and she understands Dylan's much deeper intentions, she will join him. I accept bets.
Love I don't know, but strong physical attraction will be.
And we have proof, L&P "equipped" Aiden with a big dick for a reason :ROFLMAO:
 
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Well, on the bolder statement, you know a lot can happen in 5 years. If awam gets abandoned in that timeframe it will not serve as a proof to your theory. A good theory prediction should be narrow enough to not allow too many other explanations to that prediction. But you're right about the unneeded sting, and I'm sorry for that.

You've got some false statements/opinions written as facts in your post which are:

1."L&P is no innocent in this. He went to patreon knowingly his project would not be totally his any longer". That's your opinion. I'm pretty sure he believes the game is his and his only, and he would be absolutely right about it. If you become a Patron of his, you don't get a share as a holder of the game, you don't get a share of the income, you don't get anything except for what is promised by the creator for whatever level of patronage you're in (which he has the right to change at any given time). By definition, your patronage is intended to support the developer to continue his production of whatever it is he produces. Now, we can have different opinions whether this system is good or bad, but we can't argue about facts.

2. "And you should deliver at least halfway to industry norms. L&P is far away from that". Why half? why not 3/4? And what are exactly the industry norms? And how can you be so sure L&P is so far away from that? If you normalize some parameters like his quality of renders and his heavily researched writing in some of the updates, I'm pretty sure he's not so far away from "industry norms", whatever they are. You know what, maybe we can suggest a test, and someone here with enough free time can run it. Take all Daz3d based games here on f95 and calculate the average of their renders to days in production ratio (only fully rendered scenes, not some characters renders over a premade background, and for the animations - add their renders to the count). If we call it "industry norms", I'm pretty sure L&P isn't far away from it, and surely not halfway behind.

3. "many supporters have given free and often good tipps how L&P can get the problems under control". Tips are free, that's for sure, but good? You know we are all different people, we have different personalities, different capabilities, and different tastes. From my experience, I know there are people that just can't, for the life of them, change their workflow, and their teemwork capabilities are just zero. That apply mostly on gifted and perfectionist people. Is it the case with L&P? I don't know, but that's my theory. Just look at how angry he gets whenever someone criticize his art, story or working methods. Look how fast he transfomed from an amateur hobby creator to one of the best (imo) 3d artists here. Look at the dialogues of the art class, biology class, guitar lesson etc. They are all thoroughly researched. He sure is gifted and that makes him more prone to such behavior. Do I like his stubborn behavior - not really, did I like his last aggressive post - not at all, do I like these long periods between updates - I hate it, but I know (as an opinion, not a fact) it's a byproduct of his personality, but the VN is also a byproduct of his personality, so I'm okay with it. You won't change his personality, so if you like the game, you'll have to be patient with his flaws...

4. "The updates consistently have become smaller, but the intervalls longer". For the first part - on the contrary. Updates have become larger, and thats one of the issues some have with L&P's methods. For the second part, thats the outcome of a larger update - it takes more time.

5. "when simply math shows that he puts out just 3-5 pics per day with a good render PC.
For comparison, the Dev of a well-known and regarded game here on F95 does it parttime and has a PC which is worse at rendering than L&Ps. Still this part time developer has an output of 20 pics per day on average (of really good quality)"
994 renders / 167 days (30 December - 15 June) = 5.95. That's more like 6. Take 30 days of graphics cards issue and you'll get 7.2. That's roughly his usual output. That's slow, I won't lie, but with the quality, that's something I can live with. The only comparable game with this quality (imo) is Stopper's JOHN, and he is even slower than L&P in terms of renders/production days. Sure, there are games with great renders that deliver a better ratio, L@P isn't the fastest, but nor he is the slowest, and as I said before, when you normalize quality of renders and research for dialogues, he's not that far behind. About the game you were referring that has "a really good quality" - what game is it? I find it hard to believe that a dev can produce 20 really good quality renders in a part time job with a not so good rendering machine.

6. "so this leaves only one explanation. L&P is purposely slowing down and stretching out the development of AWAM to gain easy money!" I can easily think of some more explanations, so that's definitely not the only explanation. As I mentioned before, his last update's ratio of renders/days is roughly equal to his usual ratio (while his quality increases with each update), so it isn't even necessary to speculate, because he isn't slowing down. Last update took more time because of Graphics cards problems (which he proved with video and pictures) and because it was a big update. Your theory about slowing down for easy money is just absurd. I'm sure you can see the effort he puts in his updates, and if you can now agree that his ratio isn't getting worse (all while his quality even gets better) than you can't say anymore that he's slowing down on his work. You can, however say he's slowing down on updates - by making them biger and biger, but that doesn't support your theory of easy money, because if he isn't slowing down on his work - that money isn't easy anymore.

7. "L&P unfortunately has gone on to follow the way of sinkholes of humanity like gumdrop, developers overcome by their own greed for easily earned money!"
Your comparison of L&P to Gumdrop is absolutely absurd, and there really isn't a need for further explanation...

On your last paragraph you went on to explain what you're getting out of your last posts, but you didn't really explain it, so my question still stands without an answer.
Hi again! some answers to your post.

Point 1) Einspruch! (Objection) You are only looking at the situation of the sheep, eh, patrons, who have an appaling lack of rights in case of contract violation. I have patroned myself via various methods and patreon is one of the worst. But back to the point, L&P knows that his game does not belong to him fully any longer! Proof is this farcical "Decisions of Life", which is "porn" for Teenies, he has on Patreon. That he circumvents Patreon rules show quite openly that he went into this with his eyes open.
And please, If you are listening to your heart of hearts you know quite well, that no matter how Patreon beautifies itself, most people patroning there are closing a contract. This contract might be appalingly lopsided on rights the patron has, which is why Patreon is such a haven for milkers, eh, developers with unethical intentions, but at least a spiritual contract is closed. The number of patrons in the classical sense might be 1-2 of 10, not more.

2) Einspruch! You are deliberately focusing on only one part of the equation. Even L&P´s greatest critics have praise for his graphics, that is not the point on norms. It is the point that he is ultra-slow even taking the quality of art inro the consideration! That is simple math. 30 game days, we are on day 12 after 4 years. That would be even on the old speed 10 years to develop AWAM, which is far beyond any industry norm even for Indie games!
But since he went to smaller updates, 1/3 of a gameday per update now and as we can see it will be 2 updates per year max. (despite any promises that the smaller size would speed up development,"yeah right"), AWAM would end comfortably somewhere in the 2030s! That is really pushing the envelope and I find it extremly unlikely that AWAM will ever be finished under the current conditions.

3) I rhink we can agree on parts of his personality. Other parts of his personality have still air above for growth. Not only his rapid and often very uncalled for aggression does not paint a pretty picture, there are further things shining through. You can be an artist and perfectionist without being a self-censored self-censored at the same time!

4) Objection again! L&P openly stated that he went for 1/3 of a gameday updates to speed up development! Something which did not happen and something I predicted from the start of it. This 1/3 gameday update took longer than some of the former halfday to fullday updates! While it might be packed, the 0.130 update stil does represent only a 1/3 gameday update and it took longer than before! That promised speed up of updates is a complete failure and I am convinced that it is deliberately done.

5+6) Even if we give him 6 pics per day if we look at it magnanimously (and the GPU problems you overappreciated very much), this is still slow. You even said so too, but what makes it MUCH WORSE is L&P´s statement of working around 11 hours per day on the game! This is just disturbing and bombs your argument out of the water! Even with preparations, research and perfectionism counted in, his output in comparison to his own alleged workhours is catastrophical! Such low output in ratio of the workhours gone in is either incompetence or deliberately done. L&P has shown that he is not incompetent, so by elimination of arguments what remains is that he is deliberately dragging his feet!

As for other developers who bring out great quality renders at higher speeds normally, here are a couple: "After Choices", "1thousand", "Mutt & Jeff", "Oceanlab", Arath Sin", "Nefastus", "InsaneErotica", "King of Lust" and "Captain Kitty".
 

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I still find the whole story around Aiden more than ridiculous. L&P exaggerates this teenager into a danger simpy by ignoring all the obvious ways of solving the problem. This makes the entire plot very implausible.

BTW, for an auther who praises himself for his realism, AWAM does have a comparatively large number of these completely idiotic events. In particular, the events around Bannet and the events around the attack in the subway station appear extrem strange and unrealistic. L&P has now reached his lowest point with the event between Sophia and the children. That was not only unrealistic but also disgusting.
I would like to hear your obvious solutions to Aiden problem.
The Bennett event has it's solutions and the Subway attack in my opinion can happen to anyone. What is so strange.

As for the children, it's upto every individual. I don't care for boys in this dynamic as long as they are above 12.I don't feel bad about it at all. The present generation of boys can be just as dangerous as adults. If the whole thing was with a male teacher and a female student even if she was 18 would still make me uncomfortable, however again if the one in control is actually the 18 yr old girl I would have no problems. Also for me the whole situation gets disturbing or wrong if the adult starts exploiting the child not the child exploiting the adult. As long as the children are in control I see no problem with that story. ( Maybe I have gotten numb to anything, because save for a few kinks or fetishes, I can watch anything and everything as long as it is in animated or drawn form )
 
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Hey, keep calm. Yes it is politically correct. It fits in with the times. But it also corresponds to my value system. Everyone has their fetishes here. And I don't like this one at all. When people, men, women and children are forced to do something. To experience that is uncomfortable for me. Even if it only happens in one story. Just as you don't have to apologize for your fetishes here, so can I share my opinion on it.
For me personally I am fine with say, as an example, Elves forced to fuck Orcs and /or Goblins because that is clearly unequivocally a Fantasy. The less fantastical and more realistic the setting, the more uncomfortable I find it. With a VN like AWAM that at the very least TRIES to be realistic, it definitely makes me uncomfortable. Hence my criticisms of Aiden's brutishness as Ares.

I was hoping for Aiden's corruption of Sophia for each individual step being harmless enough that Sophia accepts it without noticing the cumulative affect of how far we have come. If it relies on Sophia being physically forced, then I am not so keen.
 
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