VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[Vigeous]

It's not a porn game, per L&P. It's supposed to be an erotic novel, which is supposed to be different.

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If you came to think this was to be a porn game, then you really need to read his about page for this game.

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I already know about this but saying it's only an erotic novel is not correct he meant it's going to start as a novel with erotica not that it won't be a porn game, if seeing Jennifer having a threesome not considered porn than I don't know what it is

That's the entire purpose of the GW path is that she never cheats, and This is why you have certain parts on the filthy side to reconcile with Liam to bring you back to the GW side. I never said she shouldn't cheat. It supposes to take time for her to cheat. That is the premise for his outline of the novel. I think many people are not informed about what his novel is supposed to be about.

The premise is to engage in fun realistic events that leads to believable sex and so far Sam has made the progress that allow him to get this reward what can he do more to make it. He will help her with the Cello to make her parents proud if that's not enough I can't see him ever having a chance with her. And don't forget that all this effort just so he can make out with her. God forbid the efforts he will go through to have a BJ or even Sex. As LP stated PD 19 is most likely the Day we are all waiting for. That's more or less a month of corruption she has gone through, I think that's as realistic as it gets, but if even then you don't see it just remember when Sophia has said to Sam that helping her is not enough for Sex so the thought is there she just needs more action and some seducing for it to happen.

 

[Alley_Cat]

It's not a porn game, per L&P. It's supposed to be an erotic novel, which is supposed to be different.

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If you came to think this was to be a porn game, then you really need to read his about page for this game.

You must be registered to see the links

That's the entire purpose of the GW path is that she never cheats, and This is why you have certain parts on the filthy side to reconcile with Liam to bring you back to the GW side. I never said she shouldn't cheat. It supposes to take time for her to cheat. That is the premise for his outline of the novel. I think many people are not informed about what his novel is supposed to be about.

If you still think this game is in any way realistic (as per L&P) and not a porn game, go jerk off some young boys like Sophia does in the 2nd side job and see how long you can stay off a sexual predators list.

Even the 1st side job is ridiculous. I've worked in aged care, and we're explicitly told not to do exactly where the storyline is heading. Old guys will try, obviously - I can attest to that myself, and I'm not a hot MILF like Sophia. But no self-respecting worker would do what they're asking and still expect to keep their job.

What L&P claims to be striving for on his About page, what he is actually striving for, and what he's actually delivering might be three entirely different things.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

If you still think this game is in any way realistic (as per L&P) and not a porn game, go jerk off some young boys like Sophia does in the 2nd side job and see how long you can stay off a sexual predators list.

Even the 1st side job is ridiculous. I've worked in aged care, and we're explicitly told not to do exactly where the storyline is heading. Old guys will try, obviously - I can attest to that myself, and I'm not a hot MILF like Sophia. But no self-respecting worker would do what they're asking and still expect to keep their job.

What L&P claims to be striving for on his About page, what he is actually striving for, and what he's actually delivering might be three entirely different things.

That is the point; it's no longer realistic in any shape, way, or form. The second side job is the best example in the novel. But he believes that he is making a realistic novel, and no one can change his mind about that thought no matter how hard you try. That is his thoughts. I don't believe it personally. That ship had sailed a long time ago.

 

[Alley_Cat]

That is the point; it's no longer realistic in any shape, way, or form. The second side job is the best example in the novel. But he believes that he is making a realistic novel, and no one can change his mind about that thought no matter how hard you try. That is his thoughts. I don't believe it personally. That ship had sailed a long time ago.

Wait, do you agree that it actually is a porn game? Because I thought you were arguing that it wasn't a porn game because L&P said so.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

I already know about this but saying it's only an erotic novel is not correct he meant it's going to start as a novel with erotica not that it won't be a porn game, if seeing Jennifer having a threesome not considered porn than I don't know what it is

This is where you are going to be incorrect. He literally thinks his novel is realistic and not fictional. He thinks that everything that happens in his novel is realistic. Many people have had conversations with him about this very topic with him. He holds true that it's realistic in his eyes. There is another example in that Jennifer scene that I won't bring up, but it has been a topic and I really don't want to go down that path again.

The premise is to engage in fun realistic events that leads to believable sex and so far Sam has made the progress that allow him to get this reward what can he do more to make it. He will help her with the Cello to make her parents proud if that's not enough I can't see him ever having a chance with her. And don't forget that all this effort just so he can make out with her. God forbid the efforts he will go through to have a BJ or even Sex. As LP stated PD 19 is most likely the Day we are all waiting for. That's more or less a month of corruption she has gone through, I think that's as realistic as it gets, but if even then you don't see it just remember when Sophia has said to Sam that helping her is not enough for Sex so the thought is there she just needs more action and some seducing for it to happen.

You do realize that sex with the males will most likely happen at the back end of the novel right? Because L&P believes that to be the ultimate sin in her relationship. So I would say if he's cutting this into roughly thirds, PD 24 -30 will be with the males. So besides her husband, all the males are going to have a long way to go. So strap in because if you're following Dylan, Sam, Zac, Aiden, or anyone else you're going to be on this ride for a while. The female cast will get the first crack at her. PD 19 is reserved probably for the female cast if you look at this outline.



The 2nd, 3th, 4th lesbian scene with an important cast memeber happen from this current PD 13 to PD 19. So If I had to guess PD 19 will most likely be either Sophia/Ellie or Sophia/Paticia at this point.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Wait, do you agree that it actually is a porn game? Because I thought you were arguing that it wasn't a porn game because L&P said so.

I was pointing out that L&P thinks it is an erotic novel in that post still. After the second side job, IMO, is when it fully went porn game. So yes, It's a porn game in my eyes.

It was originally supposed to be an erotic novel, based on his comments. He still believes that it is an Erotic novel.

 

[Alley_Cat]

This is where you are going to be incorrect. He literally thinks his novel is realistic and not fictional. He thinks that everything that happens in his novel is realistic. Many people have had conversations with him about this very topic with him. He holds true that it's realistic in his eyes. There is another example in that Jennifer scene that I won't bring up, but it has been a topic and I really don't want to go down that path again.



You do realize that sex with the males will most likely happen at the back end of the novel right? Because L&P believes that to be the ultimate sin in her relationship. So I would say if he's cutting this into roughly thirds, PD 24 -30 will be with the males. So besides her husband, all the males are going to have a long way to go. So strap in because if you're following Dylan, Sam, Zac, Aiden, or anyone else you're going to be on this ride for a while. The female cast will get the first crack at her. PD 19 is reserved probably for the female cast if you look at this outline.

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The 2nd, 3th, 4th lesbian scene with an important cast memeber happen from this current PD 13 to PD 19. So If I had to guess PD 19 will most likely be either Sophia/Ellie or Sophia/Paticia at this point.

Since I already had my spreadsheet open, Ellie has 2 events scheduled for PD19. With no roadmap for the Sam or Patricia events, I can't say about Patricia.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Since I already had my spreadsheet open, Ellie has 2 events scheduled for PD19. With no roadmap for the Sam or Patricia events, I can't say about Patricia.

1st lesbian event might be Patricia, because of the horse riding event on Sunday, and most of the day is reserved for Sophia/Patricia.

 

[Alley_Cat]

1st lesbian event might be Patricia, because of the horse riding event on Sunday, and most of the day is reserved for Sophia/Patricia.

On PD15, obviously. Any word on who else might have an event on PD15 though? L&P seems to have changed his mind that the day would just be the one event.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

On PD15, obviously. Any word on who else might have an event on PD15 though? L&P seems to have changed his mind that the day would just be the one event.

If I had to guess, because I think only 3/4 of that day is Sophia/Patricia, the remaining day might be with the hetero group. So it could be Ellie with Logan/Sam/Dylan or Dylan with Ellie/Marie/Emma/Amber/Christine (maybe). This is probably the best guess at this point if you look at the outline he posted for the first and second Lesbian and Hetero events.

 

[ancienregimele]

Apart from the shota, which before AWAM I'd never come across in a corruption game & which represents a descent from the realistic towards the 'yet another porn game' approach, one of the most unrealistic & porn-driven aspects of AWAM is shaping up to be the supposed 'race' between Sam & Dylan. It is just about believable that Sophia could be attracted to the handsome kid next door. As this is fiction it has to be taken as read that something sexual might occur, with Sophia taking leave of her senses & fulfilling her desires, while making the usual excuses & utilising her very 'individual' logic to justify her behaviour. So far, it could be contended, that the only thing wrong with all of that is that the pacing is off, both in terms of the time involved in San Alejo & the extremely slow rate of storyline roll-out in RL. If all that is disregarded, something had to happen at some point.

When it comes to sex with your own offspring, the son you carried in the womb for 9 months, that's an entirely different matter. He's not just another High School kid with good looks & talent. This need for Dylan to "catch up" by whatever chosen method, so that he & Sam are on some kind of par, is fan driven, has no relationship to RL & needs to be thought through with a great deal of care, if this VN is not to take another leap into the run-of-the-mill porn morass.

 

[Vigeous]

This is where you are going to be incorrect. He literally thinks his novel is realistic and not fictional. He thinks that everything that happens in his novel is realistic. Many people have had conversations with him about this very topic with him. He holds true that it's realistic in his eyes. There is another example in that Jennifer scene that I won't bring up, but it has been a topic and I really don't want to go down that path again.

I'm not talking about realism here I'm saying that it's a porn game and not a erotic novel how can it be when it has sex scenes. The realism talk is another debate I don't have time to argue about.

This is where you are going to be incorrect. He literally thinks his novel is realistic and not fictional. He thinks that everything that happens in his novel is realistic. Many people have had conversations with him about this very topic with him. He holds true that it's realistic in his eyes. There is another example in that Jennifer scene that I won't bring up, but it has been a topic and I really don't want to go down that path again.



You do realize that sex with the males will most likely happen at the back end of the novel right? Because L&P believes that to be the ultimate sin in her relationship. So I would say if he's cutting this into roughly thirds, PD 24 -30 will be with the males. So besides her husband, all the males are going to have a long way to go. So strap in because if you're following Dylan, Sam, Zac, Aiden, or anyone else you're going to be on this ride for a while. The female cast will get the first crack at her. PD 19 is reserved probably for the female cast if you look at this outline.

If you look in xxxorro's post there was a post of LP saying Sophia will have her first sex scene in PD19. And again It's not about the story going fast it's about how it gets there and I never said this game is pure realism just that the scenes are not rushed or anything

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Apart from the shota, which before AWAM I'd never come across in a corruption game & which represents a descent from the realistic towards the 'yet another porn game' approach, one of the most unrealistic & porn-driven aspects of AWAM is shaping up to be the supposed 'race' between Sam & Dylan. It is just about believable that Sophia could be attracted to the handsome kid next door. As this is fiction it has to be taken as read that something sexual might occur, with Sophia taking leave of her senses & fulfilling her desires, while making the usual excuses & utilising her very 'individual' logic to justify her behaviour. So far, it could be contended, that the only thing wrong with all of that is that the pacing is off, both in terms of the time involved in San Alejo & the extremely slow rate of storyline roll-out in RL. If all that is disregarded, something had to happen at some point.

When it comes to sex with your own offspring, the son you carried in the womb for 9 months, that's an entirely different matter. He's not just another High School kid with good looks & talent. This need for Dylan to "catch up" by whatever chosen method, so that he & Sam are on some kind of par, is fan driven, has no relationship to RL & needs to be thought through with a great deal of care, if this VN is not to take another leap into the run-of-the-mill porn morass.

I think the catch-up now is based on what you said about race it seems now, plus the factor that there is such a gap between progression, he is trying to bring them in line now. Because if we look at Ellie on the other side of the spectrum, look how quickly she paces up to Sophia, and she is in the same boat as Dylan regarding her relationship with Sophia.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

I'm not talking about realism here I'm saying that it's a porn game and not a erotic novel how can it be when it has sex scenes. The realism talk is another debate I don't have time to argue about.

Again, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying to you, which I thought you might have seen what I said to Alley_Cat. L&P believes that his novel is an Erotic Novel and not a porn game. An erotic novel can contain sex scenes. It's just like saying a motion picture contains a sex scene, but it's not a porn movie.

If you look in xxxorro's post there was a post of LP saying Sophia will have her first sex scene in PD19. And again It's not about the story going fast it's about how it gets there and I never said this game is pure realism just that the scenes are not rushed or anything

Again, that's a matter of opinion based on how one plays their path. but as it was mentioned before, for example, are you saying the second side job scene wasn't rushed?

 

[Alley_Cat]

If I had to guess, because I think only 3/4 of that day is Sophia/Patricia, the remaining day might be with the hetero group. So it could be Ellie with Logan/Sam/Dylan or Dylan with Ellie/Marie/Emma/Amber/Christine (maybe). This is probably the best guess at this point if you look at the outline he posted for the first and second Lesbian and Hetero events.

So no official word yet. That said, I'm more waiting for the event schedule for PD16, and how many events are "several".

According to their roadmaps, neither Ellie or Dylan are meant to have events on PD15, hence L&P appears to have contradicted himself. I suppose all we can do now is wait for clarification.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

So no official word yet. That said, I'm more waiting for the event schedule for PD16, and how many events are "several".

According to their roadmaps, neither Ellie or Dylan are meant to have events on PD15, hence L&P appears to have contradicted himself. I suppose all we can do now is wait for clarification.

I really can't tell you too much now. He sort of keeps a closed lip about most things now. If you look at his PD 14 outline it said provisionally now, so I would expect changes on any PD posted going forward.

 

[ancienregimele]

I think the catch-up now is based on what you said about race it seems now, plus the factor that there is such a gap between progression, he trying to be them in line now. Because if we look at Ellie on the other side of the spectrum, look how quickly she paces up to Sophia and she is in the same boat as Dylan when it comes to her relationship with Sophia.

This Dev can write very well on occasion but he can also "pen" himself into a corner. Too many branches & characters have contributed to this but when it comes to the Sophia/Dylan relationship it represents the core of the story for many followers. [Not for me, I hooked Dylan up with Emma as soon as that option appeared]. There must surely be a point at which something overtly sexual happens between mother & son but I don't see the logic, other than "porn logic," in trying to make the close-knit characters line up regarding sexual activities. L&P should, IMO, ignore the clamouring & write a half-way realistic story...if that's even still possible.

It also begs the question of just how many (not-so-secret) sex-based affairs is Sophia going to end up conducting at the same time? Movie stars, sporting personalities, politicians etc., even the most promiscuous usually have only 2 active partners at once, though some are known to have had 3, discounting orgies. Sophia already has a busy life & there are only so many hours in the (playable) day.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

This Dev can write very well on occasion but he can also "pen" himself into a corner. Too many branches & characters have contributed to this but when it comes to the Sophia/Dylan relationship it represents the core of the story for many followers. [Not for me, I hooked Dylan up with Emma as soon as that option appeared]. There must surely be a point at which something overtly sexual happens between mother & son but I don't see the logic, other than "porn logic," in trying to make the close-knit characters line up regarding sexual activities. L&P should, IMO, ignore the clamouring & write a half-way realistic story...if that's even still possible.

It also begs the question of just how many (not-so-secret) sex-based affairs is Sophia going to end up conducting at the same time? Movie stars, sporting personalities, politicians etc., even the most promiscuous usually have only 2 active partners at once, though some are known to have had 3, discounting orgies. Sophia already has a busy life & there are only so many hours in the (playable) day.

Well, if we apply your logic with Sophia/Dylan as porn. Then we should classify Sophia/Ellie as porn, too, since that is the same boat.

I agree that he has too many characters in the novel as is, which hinders the balance altogether. Because if we look at Ellie, now she is going to have to play catch up soon because with Patricia's day on Sunday, I think she is going exceed everyone. but again, we would have to lump her into the realm of Dylan and Ellie too.

Then we come to these ancillary stories that makes me wonder why are they here when Sophia should have enough filthy point and should need much more. The museum guys again, whom we haven't seen since day 2.

 

[jamdan]

After doing some thinking, I think the Dylan event will be quite predictable.

What we know:

- Dylan has to catch up with Sam. Or at least get close.
- Dylan and Sophia will talk about virginity.
- The progression of the game is speeding up.

What will happen (IMO):

Dylan and Sophia will talk about her losing her virginity. Dylan will talk about the fact he still has his, and he feels bad about it. Using the normal logic of this game, Sophia feels bad for him. Dylan jumps on the chance and talks about the time he stole a kiss from her (at the soccer match) and that Sophia was mad about it. Sophia, of course, feels bad for him. Dylan will then ask to kiss her as "practice". Sophia feels conflicted, on one hand, he is her son. But on the other, she already made out with Ellie, Jules and Sam. So she agrees to kiss him.

Then Dylan starts grabbing on her. Predictably, Sophia thinks it's cute and gets hot and bothered. She'll probably be talked into showing herself to him too. After all, it's just "sex ed". Which I believe has been discussed as a theory before.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

After doing some thinking, I think the Dylan event will be quite predictable.

What we know:

- Dylan has to catch up with Sam. Or at least get close.
- Dylan and Sophia will talk about virginity.
- The progression of the game is speeding up.

What will happen (IMO):

Dylan and Sophia will talk about her losing her virginity. Dylan will talk about the fact he still has his, and he feels bad about it. Using the normal logic of this game, Sophia feels bad for him. Dylan jumps on the chance and talks about the time he stole a kiss from her (at the soccer match) and that Sophia was mad about it. Sophia, of course, feels bad for him. Dylan will then ask to kiss her as "practice". Sophia feels conflicted, on one hand, he is her son. But on the other, she already made out with Ellie, Jules and Sam. So she agrees to kiss him.

Then Dylan starts grabbing on her. Predictably, Sophia thinks it's cute and gets hot and bothered. She'll probably be talked into showing herself to him too. After all, it's just "sex ed". Which I believe has been discussed as a theory before.

Sophia feels conflicted, on one hand, he is her son. But on the other, she already made out with Ellie, Jules and Sam. So she agrees to kiss him.

Not a bad thought, and I see that working if you have the other paths in play, but what if you don't have Ellie in play or not a lesbian? How can Ellie and Julia's part play out as part of that conversation?

L&P said that all paths are supposed to stand alone for the most part. So you would have to narrow it down to Sophia/Dylan only with no outside influence since you can cancel many paths before certain things happen for comparison. Riddle me this... How does that work?