VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[jamdan]

Sophia feels conflicted, on one hand, he is her son. But on the other, she already made out with Ellie, Jules and Sam. So she agrees to kiss him.

Not a bad thought, and I see that working if you have the other paths in play, but what if you don't have Ellie in play or not a lesbian? How can Ellie and Julia's part play out as part of that conversation?

L&P said that all paths are supposed to stand alone for the most part. So you would have to narrow it down to Sophia/Dylan only with no outside influence since you can cancel many paths before certain things happen for comparison. Riddle me this... How does that work?

The same way, she just rationalizes it differently. She has already done a lot of stuff with him. So, is giving him a kiss that big a leap?

- Butt & boob touch.
- Stolen kiss.
- Bath.
- Let him jerkoff to her.
- Bikini show.
- Shown boobs in the changing room.
- Let him touch her underwear a few times.

He is probably, overall, just behind Sam. Sam got the full show this update, but Dylan has had more events overall than he has.

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

Yes, that's a way to see things but it's not always about the number of scenes. Sometimes it's about the quality of the time the two share with each other and in all honesty Sam has made the biggest progress in making Sophia happy, she feels free around him because the two share the same hobbies.

Sam comes off as the more sophisticated one compared to Dylan. While Sam is more intelligent and mature, Dylan is blunter and more of a jerk. Honestly, they both remind me of the old Goofus and Gallant cartoons at this point.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Sam comes off as the more sophisticated one compared to Dylan. While Sam is more intelligent and mature, Dylan is blunter and more of a jerk. Honestly, they both remind me of the old Goofus and Gallant cartoons at this point.

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Aiden strikes me as more of a Goofus than Dylan. Dylan does have both Marie and Emma calling him a "cutie", so I doubt he needs to pay for sex. With the Salon event next, we'll see how far to actually getting laid he might get.

 

[ancienregimele]

Well, if we apply your logic with Sophia/Dylan as porn. Then we should classify Sophia/Ellie as porn, too, since that is the same boat.

I agree that he has too many characters in the novel as is, which hinders the balance altogether. Because if we look at Ellie, now she is going to have to play catch up soon because with Patricia's day on Sunday, I think she is going exceed everyone. but again, we would have to lump her into the realm of Dylan and Ellie too.

Then we come to these ancillary stories that makes me wonder why are they here when Sophia should have enough filthy point and should need much more. The museum guys again, whom we haven't seen since day 2.

Although I don't play the incest routes, when I can avoid them, I am suggesting that these should be written in a different way to the other relationships. If all we get is some rehash of what has been seen dozens of times in other 3D games & VNs, which have little or no regard to even a shadow of plausibility, IMO that will be both a disappointment & a wasted opportunity. I can only hope that L&P is on form, writing-wise.

When it comes to Jason & Haru, we surely don't need them any more now that Sophia has begun to cheat. Even for those not playing the saga of Sam, I would suggest that the story has outgrown the need for a dubious date with a couple of minor characters, given what is likely to start happening on the more important routes. Making an excuse via a phone call would be a realistic way to avoid them, (nothing personal), leaving more time to devote to the core areas.

 

[Vigeous]

Again, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying to you, which I thought you might have seen what I said to Alley_Cat. L&P believes that his novel is an Erotic Novel and not a porn game. An erotic novel can contain sex scenes. It's just like saying a motion picture contains a sex scene, but it's not a porn movie.



Again, that's a matter of opinion based on how one plays their path. but as it was mentioned before, for example, are you saying the second side job scene wasn't rushed?

Well I agree with you and I already said it that I consider it as a porn game no matter what LP says. And I was only talking about the Sam event not the 2nd side job that's another topic, all I'm saying is that Sam has made the best progress so far because he deserves it and it was realistic IMO as far as a porn logic game is in discussion because no way in hell a mother will have this kind of relationship with her son's friend no matter how you think about it.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Although I don't play the incest routes, when I can avoid them, I am suggesting that these should be written in a different way to the other relationships. If all we get is some rehash of what has been seen dozens of times in other 3D games & VNs, which have little or no regard to even a shadow of plausibility, IMO that will be both a disappointment & a wasted opportunity. I can only hope that L&P is on form, writing-wise.

When it comes to Jason & Haru, we surely don't need them any more now that Sophia has begun to cheat. Even for those not playing the saga of Sam, I would suggest that the story has outgrown the need for a dubious date with a couple of minor characters, given what is likely to start happening on the more important routes. Making an excuse via a phone call would be a realistic way to avoid them, (nothing personal), leaving more time to devote to the core areas.

I find it telling that the event on the Patricia route that is touted as a hetero event is the one that people are saying can easily be removed.

And speaking as someone that plays the Patricia route, if it were removed would I be upset? Not in the slightest - it would just bring us one event closer to PD15 and the start of the "sex scenes". The museum date is probably the event in my playthrough I'm least looking forward to.

 

[BUCCO]

Well I agree with you and I already said it that I consider it as a porn game no matter what LP says. And I was only talking about the Sam event not the 2nd side job that's another topic, all I'm saying is that Sam has made the best progress so far because he deserves it and it was realistic IMO as far as a porn logic game is in discussion because no way in hell a mother will have this kind of relationship with her son's friend no matter how you think about it.

not even in japan?!?

 

[FullyAnimated]

Anything concrete about Sophia's upcoming hair style change?

Is she going back to the previous style? That would be fine.

There was supposed to be a poll? Has that been held yet? Has the style been chosen?

Just hope L&P that isn't going to implement a short style to make doing sex scenes easier....

 

[Alley_Cat]

Anything concrete about Sophia's upcoming hair style change?

Is she going back to the previous style? That would be fine.

There was supposed to be a poll? Has that been held yet? Has the style been chosen?

Just hope L&P that isn't going to implement a short style to make doing sex scenes easier....

I don't believe we even know if she's getting a hairstyle change or not. From what I've heard about the event to date tells me that the entire point of the event is a continuation for those that played Dylan's POV for the yoga event meeting Marie. Sophia probably doesn't even need to be there.

 

[truerty]

I'd have rather liked Dylan getting to Sophia's nipple first (no that was her baby so he infact did joke, you know what i mean!) instead of Sam! But I'm glad atleast we're getting somewhere these days, apart from all the fabric smelling.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

The same way, she just rationalizes it differently. She has already done a lot of stuff with him. So, is giving him a kiss that big a leap?

- Butt & boob touch.
- Stolen kiss.
- Bath.
- Let him jerkoff to her.
- Bikini show.
- Shown boobs in the changing room.
- Let him touch her underwear a few times.

He is probably, overall, just behind Sam. Sam got the full show this update, but Dylan has had more events overall than he has.

That's the thing. I don't see it happening based on what has played out so far between Sophia/Dylan. Feel free to replay any of the scenes and point out your thoughts. I am happy to discuss these with anyone about these scenes; maybe you have a different PoV that will change my mind.

Spoiler: Sophia/Dylan - SEX-ED

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So my question is, how is she at the point where Dylan will make leaps and bounds to jump ahead or be on par with Sam from a fabric butt touch based on what took place so far in the evening. If you follow the story compared to Sam's story, Dylan didn't make any progress at all in comparison based on L&P's reasoning. So at this moment, to get where you think what will happen, to be on par or jump ahead, I can only see the use of alcohol, a flip of the switch, or something very corny or cheesy happening (Plotholes inbound).

I am happy that Dylan is getting more events, but the problem becomes what type of events they will be and whether they will flow well with the current story. So those are my concerns right now.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Although I don't play the incest routes, when I can avoid them, I am suggesting that these should be written in a different way to the other relationships. If all we get is some rehash of what has been seen dozens of times in other 3D games & VNs, which have little or no regard to even a shadow of plausibility, IMO that will be both a disappointment & a wasted opportunity. I can only hope that L&P is on form, writing-wise.

When it comes to Jason & Haru, we surely don't need them any more now that Sophia has begun to cheat. Even for those not playing the saga of Sam, I would suggest that the story has outgrown the need for a dubious date with a couple of minor characters, given what is likely to start happening on the more important routes. Making an excuse via a phone call would be a realistic way to avoid them, (nothing personal), leaving more time to devote to the core areas.

I think he should have done something similar you find in other games where you can change the relationship status from the character at the beginning to make the game feel comfortable for the reader.

I agree.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Anything concrete about Sophia's upcoming hair style change?

Is she going back to the previous style? That would be fine.

There was supposed to be a poll? Has that been held yet? Has the style been chosen?

Just hope L&P that isn't going to implement a short style to make doing sex scenes easier....

He is probably on his break when he returns and resets the clock again. Will probably here something around that time or a couple of weeks out.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

I don't believe we even know if she's getting a hairstyle change or not. From what I've heard about the event to date tells me that the entire point of the event is a continuation for those that played Dylan's POV for the yoga event meeting Marie. Sophia probably doesn't even need to be there.

It's supposed to serve two purposes, Hairstyle change for Sophia and Dylan/Marie if that path is active.

 

[Alley_Cat]

It's supposed to serve two purposes, Hairstyle change for Sophia and Dylan/Marie if that path is active.

Ah. I've only noticed the discussions about the Dylan/Marie storyline lately.

A hairstyle change makes sense, and I would have thought the entire point of the event would be the MC hanging out with her friends, because she doesn't have many. There's also more functionality to hair assets that have come out since Sophia's last visit to the salon, which I have no doubt L&P would love to play around with, particularly dForce (used to let hair and clothing drape).

So Sophia might get a slight change in hairstyle, but a huge change to what L&P is capable of doing with her hair. Particularly with the waking up renders, with her hair splayed over her pillow.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Ah. I've only noticed the discussions about the Dylan/Marie storyline lately.

A hairstyle change makes sense, and I would have thought the entire point of the event would be the MC hanging out with her friends, because she doesn't have many. There's also more functionality to hair assets that have come out since Sophia's last visit to the salon, which I have no doubt L&P would love to play around with, particularly dForce (used to let hair and clothing drape).

So Sophia might get a slight change in hairstyle, but a huge change to what L&P is capable of doing with her hair. Particularly with the waking up renders, with her hair splayed over her pillow.

You might think twice if the hairstyle choices are anything like the Rocker and Romper outfit. Just a heads up.

 

[Alley_Cat]

You might think twice if the hairstyle choices are anything like the Rocker and Romper outfit. Just a heads up.

Obviously there might be some nonsensical options, some might even win. That's precisely why I'm not a patron.

 

[new_user!]

Sophia feels conflicted, on one hand, he is her son. But on the other, she already made out with Ellie, Jules and Sam. So she agrees to kiss him.

Not a bad thought, and I see that working if you have the other paths in play, but what if you don't have Ellie in play or not a lesbian? How can Ellie and Julia's part play out as part of that conversation?

L&P said that all paths are supposed to stand alone for the most part. So you would have to narrow it down to Sophia/Dylan only with no outside influence since you can cancel many paths before certain things happen for comparison. Riddle me this... How does that work?

https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-175-lust-passion.5944/post-9446844

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-175-lust-passion.5944/post-9446844

That's not a bad thought, but that means, like Aiden, Sam's path would have to remain in play for it to work. Anyone who cancels his path must replay their Dylan path to keep it active. Hmmm. But that leads to somewhat of a blackmail with Dylan, which L&P got blasted for making Dylan looks like he betrayed Sophia with the twist that was removed, which would put him in the same light again and probably have another backlash effect.

 

[Barretto24]

The Sophia progression with Sam is the most grounded in the game. Sophia was obviously smitten with Sam. He made her feel young again and gave the attention she desperately needed.

As to her thoughts and dialogues being at odds with her actions - that's all mind vs heart. One can say they shouldn't do something but if they subconsciously crave or NEED it, they will go against their rational thoughts. I thought the images in the update showed Sophia's conflicted body language quite beautifully. She's smiling, posing, asking Sam to sit by her, touching him, putting her hand on his shoulder, etc. Her words are saying one thing but her actions are saying the opposite.

This is what I mean before. Mind vs heart. Sophia is crying out for attention even if her head and her mind are saying other things.