L&P's Father-in-Law

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In the short-term I don't think anything will diminish the growth of his Patreon page. Right now it seems that the game is big enough to be a self-sustaining machine. The game is big enough that it has reach, but not so big that everyone has jumped on it at once and moved on. It also seems to be the kind of game to endear itself to a very loyal audience.

Long-term I don't think this is sustainable at all. If these development cycles continue to take 5+ months, then eventually that's going to fester with even the loyal patrons.
Even loyal patrons are jumping ship, and this would be an issue for him if AWAM was the only venture he had going on but it's not.

Regarding the next game day, if we ever get there.. it's a ranch, he's going to be making 129378 characters that will never show up again, manually pose horses etc etc. It's going to be a mess, calling it right now. Might aswell just make it Ranch DLC. Would probably be much better for the sake of core story development.
 

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Even loyal patrons are jumping ship, and this would be an issue for him if AWAM was the only venture he had going on but it's not.

Regarding the next game day, if we ever get there.. it's a ranch, he's going to be making 129378 characters that will never show up again, manually pose horses etc etc. It's going to be a mess, calling it right now. Might aswell just make it Ranch DLC. Would probably be much better for the sake of core story development.
Another game is hard to believe, it remains a comics but I don't see any.
 

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Even loyal patrons are jumping ship, and this would be an issue for him if AWAM was the only venture he had going on but it's not.

Regarding the next game day, if we ever get there.. it's a ranch, he's going to be making 129378 characters that will never show up again, manually pose horses etc etc. It's going to be a mess, calling it right now. Might aswell just make it Ranch DLC. Would probably be much better for the sake of core story development.
...I meet people all the time in my life that I never see again. That's still realism
 

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Not that it matters much, but with the latest 70%-70% the projection is November 27th.
It could be even before that if it starts to get the pace he had at the beginning of August (Nathalie and Dylan's events) and the remaining Sam's event and Cathy's event are not too time consuming for the scene creation.
But who knows, these are mere academic speculations...
December seems still a safe bet



Yes you are right, that's exactly what he said here

We don't know if it will be a family event, from what he says it is centered on Sophia and Patricia.
And, again, without any evidence to support it, it's really hard to see how long or how complex it will be.
It can be a relatively short event (wrt the time span in which it occurs), centered only on Sophia and Patricia and, beside the main event between them, he may quickly gloss over the rest of the trip and move to the next event of the day (which is still unknown). Mutatis mutandis, it could be a sort of Sam concert.
Or as you said it could be a tough one, where even new characters are introduced, new side stories etc. That, on one hand could be interesting because it offers many possibilities, on the other it will take more than one release to finish. And again new characters, new assets.... And/or, like Sam's concert, he could decide to move it to DLC.

Personally, I would more concern about all these DLCs than the ranch event as a sign of loss of interest. We all know that, realistically, these DLCs will never be made, unless he decides to abandon the game and give a final eye candy to the patrons.

Not that I'm against DLC, especially if they could be used to trim side stories and reduce the number of non essential events. And, ***in a ideal world***, DLC could be the perfect way for him to delegate part of the game to someone else. He can "train" someone to get small things done with his quality standard without the pressure of the game main release. And then with time she/he can help him later with the main game. But, obviously, we all know it's not gonna happen. :(
We can bet that we won't see any DLC.Unless he do them way before the end of the game.
 

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Not that it matters much, but with the latest 70%-70% the projection is November 27th.
It could be even before that if it starts to get the pace he had at the beginning of August (Nathalie and Dylan's events) and the remaining Sam's event and Cathy's event are not too time consuming for the scene creation.
But who knows, these are mere academic speculations...
December seems still a safe bet



Yes you are right, that's exactly what he said here

We don't know if it will be a family event, from what he says it is centered on Sophia and Patricia.
And, again, without any evidence to support it, it's really hard to see how long or how complex it will be.
It can be a relatively short event (wrt the time span in which it occurs), centered only on Sophia and Patricia and, beside the main event between them, he may quickly gloss over the rest of the trip and move to the next event of the day (which is still unknown). Mutatis mutandis, it could be a sort of Sam concert.
Or as you said it could be a tough one, where even new characters are introduced, new side stories etc. That, on one hand could be interesting because it offers many possibilities, on the other it will take more than one release to finish. And again new characters, new assets.... And/or, like Sam's concert, he could decide to move it to DLC.

Personally, I would more concern about all these DLCs than the ranch event as a sign of loss of interest. We all know that, realistically, these DLCs will never be made, unless he decides to abandon the game and give a final eye candy to the patrons.

Not that I'm against DLC, especially if they could be used to trim side stories and reduce the number of non essential events. And, ***in a ideal world***, DLC could be the perfect way for him to delegate part of the game to someone else. He can "train" someone to get small things done with his quality standard without the pressure of the game main release. And then with time she/he can help him later with the main game. But, obviously, we all know it's not gonna happen. :(
There are a lot of unknowns and potential trappings in the ranch event. I'm of the opinion that if he does it he needs to commit and do it big. Make it the whole day and get some use out of the new assets and environment. That's what I find so frustrating about the bar for the concert, he spent a lot of time on it but it seems like it will be underutilized.

If he's going to create a ranch then let's use it! Make it a day long event and really explore the new assets and sink your teeth into the story potential. If you can't do that then scrap the event and have Sophia and Patricia hang out at home.

Either way, I think it's great we're getting a full day with one character. Sometimes in order to get quality time with a character you simultaneously need quantity time. Short scenes are nice, but sometimes you need long/multiple scenes in order to really progress relationships. I think we're reaching that point with a lot of characters, they've been established and now we need them to take the next step to advance their relationship with Sophia. This next step should get them to a point where a sexual relationship isn't just theoretically possible but seems likely. To get to that step the characters need both quantity and quality time with Sophia to build on the spark that has already been established. We need to see Sophia think of these people as more than just someone that gives her butterflies, but as people that she actively wants to have sex with. Currently most of Sophia's thoughts are of the "oh that was fun but wrong. I shouldn't do these things." Her thoughts need to change to "Yes, if given the opportunity I would have sex with this person."

We're into Act 2 of the story at this point, so these relationships need to take a major step forward.
 

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So many progress reports, so little time...
This update includes the Friday +5% CS and Saturday's +5% Rendered Scenes and shows the first dip in the projected release date since mid-August. Still looking like end of November for now. If he can keep up the current pace then it may be possible to finish the creation side of things in a month or so. P&T, let's not forget, took more than three weeks for the last update and was laughably slow (I believe it worked out to less than 2.25 pages per day?).

While he may be able to publish this update around mid-November (possible, not likely), this is still 4.5 months for 1/3 day and about 14 months for the full day, so nothing applause-worthy.

Pct CompleteFactorPct of Update
Created Scenes70%55%38.50%
Rendered Scenes70%25%17.50%
Art edited with PS15%5%0.75%
Programming & Translation0%15%0.00%
Total Pct of Update Completed56.75%
Start Date7/5/2021
Festival of Bullshit (excuses)0
Bullshit Days Consumed so far0
Current # Days of Production (less BS consumed)82
Days remaining in Festival of Bullshit0
Estimated Completion Date11/26/2021

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PietruccioTheHilander

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So many progress reports, so little time...
This update includes the Friday +5% CS and Saturday's +5% Rendered Scenes and shows the first dip in the projected release date since mid-August. Still looking like end of November, though.

Pct CompleteFactorPct of Update
Created Scenes70%55%38.50%
Rendered Scenes70%25%17.50%
Art edited with PS15%5%0.75%
Programming & Translation0%15%0.00%
Total Pct of Update Completed56.75%
Start Date7/5/2021
Festival of Bullshit (excuses)0
Bullshit Days Consumed so far0
Current # Days of Production (less BS consumed)84
Days remaining in Festival of Bullshit0
Estimated Completion Date11/30/2021

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when will you update
Festival of Bullshit (excuses)
Bullshit Days Consumed so far
Days remaining in Festival of Bullshit

what has to happen to change the values?
 
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Talcum Powder

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when will you update
Festival of Bullshit (excuses)
Bullshit Days Consumed so far
Days remaining in Festival of Bullshit

what has to happen to change the values?
This was a variable I threw in at the start just to push back the projected completion date because if you look at it, the July progress reports were yielding a release date of mid-September which wasn't in any way realistic. The current chart was a do-over that removes the BS days from every update and is a true reflection of the progress reports shared by Lord_Xanatos and the dates on which they were posted.

If L&P announces he's going on vacation for a couple of weeks then I'd add 14 days to the festival total and at the end of the two weeks (or whenever the next progress report gets posted) 14 days to the consumed.
 

Talcum Powder

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Well fuck me, that's good timing... That puts the new projection to 11/23 and total progress to 59.5%.

Couple of things could be going on here, these just spring to mind immediately:
1) He's got a kick in the backside from Patreons and is actually putting in a full day of work because it's been made clear that another 5-month cycle will have financial consequences.
2) It's the same as above, except he's always been able to work this fast and has deliberately been sitting on progress and updates to extend the development cycle, and therefore increase his total income over the lifespan of the game. (The short word for this is "Milking")
3) He's just losing interest in a lot of the peripheral elements of the stories and he's cutting material.

My guess, #3.


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This was a variable I threw in at the start just to push back the projected completion date because if you look at it, the July progress reports were yielding a release date of mid-September which wasn't in any way realistic. The current chart was a do-over that removes the BS days from every update and is a true reflection of the progress reports shared by Lord_Xanatos and the dates on which they were posted.

If L&P announces he's going on vacation for a couple of weeks then I'd add 14 days to the festival total and at the end of the two weeks (or whenever the next progress report gets posted) 14 days to the consumed.
As far as he has posted he no vacations planned but with the rig he has he should be quicker than this.
If his Patrons are complaining it must be by e-mail
 

GingerSweetGirl

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Well fuck me, that's good timing... That puts the new projection to 11/23 and total progress to 59.5%.

Couple of things could be going on here, these just spring to mind immediately:
1) He's got a kick in the backside from Patreons and is actually putting in a full day of work because it's been made clear that another 5-month cycle will have financial consequences.
2) It's the same as above, except he's always been able to work this fast and has deliberately been sitting on progress and updates to extend the development cycle, and therefore increase his total income over the lifespan of the game. (The short word for this is "Milking")
3) He's just losing interest in a lot of the peripheral elements of the stories and he's cutting material.

My guess, #3.


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The problem is that instead of cutting peripheral characters it sounds like he's cutting content with major LIs in order to hurry them along. This event at the bar is going to tell us a lot about his current state of mind.
 

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The problem is that instead of cutting peripheral characters it sounds like he's cutting content with major LIs in order to hurry them along. This event at the bar is going to tell us a lot about his current state of mind.
So I wonder if he will rush with all the characters or with just the main characters? Or how many of the characters story have been cut down,Vicky/Nat ect without saying anything
 

Dr.SigmundFap

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As far as he has posted he no vacations planned but with the rig he has he should be quicker than this.
If his Patrons are complaining it must be by e-mail
It's most likely by email considering how members respond on his Patreon page. I'll have to look again, but I think his next "Planned" vacation/holiday is around May of next year.
 

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It's most likely by email considering how members respond on his Patreon page. I'll have to look again, but I think his next "Planned" vacation/holiday is around May of next year.
He did quote October a while back and I really don't see him hitting that target,spending 2-3 days on Created Scenes and he still has 10% left on the Sam event.
 

Dr.SigmundFap

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He did quote October a while back and I really don't see him hitting that target,spending 2-3 days on Created Scenes and he still has 10% left on the Sam event.
I know he trying for an October release but, unless he is cutting corners like the sex scene with Liam and the Sybian with Alyssa on a four-frame loop, I don't see it happing. 10% and 15% on cs and renders for Sam, so I see Nov. still.
 

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... Sophia's thoughts are of the "oh that was fun but wrong. I shouldn't do these things." Her thoughts need to change to "Yes, if given the opportunity I would have sex with this person."

We're into Act 2 of the story at this point, so these relationships need to take a major step forward.
You are right about that and that is why the Cathy event is so important to me for Sophia's further corruption path. That I only give a link to my own post that explains this opinion, I do not do it out of rudeness but out of laziness. I hope you will forgive me.

https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-130-lust-passion.5944/post-6531101
 
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