VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[immassman]

I think there is intellectual property even in this.
Of course, the model itself is free to buy/use however you want, same with most other assets. I think one could argue that maybe the combination of assets to get this look could enter copyright territory, not sure there.

However, as rAmSiMaL said above me, the whole incentive to create a game with this quality would be the money as it would not be easy work. Without that, who would take on such a project, instead of making their own game?

there are lots of other good games out there, same corruption genre. Free pass is even better to me. Sophia is not the prettiest milf. Anyway it won't be so hard, maybe not the same detailed lighting but free pass or Ms.Denvers lighting is good enough. I don't even care about this game anymore right now as other games i like are also on hiatus i just came by to visit. It won't be that hard really.

 

[immassman]

Are you going to pay him/her do this?

no lol, maybe

 

[abram1]

There are a shitload reasons to complain about L&P/AWAM but you, guys, are really annoying kids.
That's why I already answered to some guy here that he should try to do things, instead of just guessing. It might be different than what he expected.

Haters always gonna hate. It's so much easier to shit on someone's work, especially when the final product you get is completely free, as 99% of us pirate it from here anyway.
There's so much stuff online for horny people out there yet folks tend to pour out their frustration on a bunch of devs, who have their personal lives and not obliged to stress their asses off 24/7.

Your advise to some smart ass was on point. If mister/missis X thinks that a certain task could be done within a XYZ time, why won't they show us how it's done, on their own example. Right, just pointless pretentious suggestions from absolute no-names. Again, if a person supports L&P and doesn't like his working attitude, him personally for whatever reason, simply drop the financial aid, it's that easy. Bitching around on a pirate forum has absolutely no affect on any dev, unless they're active here. Channel your energy elsewhere, crybabies.

 

[Bibifoc]

That's cool and all, but how come you're not asked to do your thing during "Programming&Translation", you know, since you're doing that kinda stuff. Are you trying to tell me that he couldn't have you work on the gallery then?

Because the gallery means mostly injecting code in the main script. The one L&P have to finish first. And obviously the same for the last part (testing).

Why does that require another bar instead of using the existing one to convey the actual progress? How is "final coding" translated to "Bibi updating the Gallery"? And now the bar is progressing without you even doing anything yet? You say that is his part? His part should be 100% done by the time he's reaching this new one, and it should be called "Final playtest" if anything (still think it's entirely pointless). All the programming, coding and whatever should be done when Programming reaches 100%. The workflow for this project is an absolute joke, and Viper had already pointed that out in the offtopic thread a while ago.

I can't help finding that part funny. You want to change stuff from a bar to another one. What for? What difference will it make to the work that needs to be done?

He's adding this other bar so he can work at his pisspoor pace and call you in later whenever he is ready. That's why this new bar is useless. That's why this bar is yet another way of giving his supporters something to look at. You can't deny that L&P is getting slower every single year, and there's absolutely zero reason to add another progress bar other than giving L&P more room. You said it yourself, before this bar existed, the updates would have been released 1-2 days after 100% progress was reached.

I surely deny nothing. On the contrary. I just talked about the only dev phase of AWAM I know. Nothing more.

I stand by my point, and the reason for that is the constant slowdown of this project. The bar is useless, and there is a reason he's adding it. Told you why. Besides, my post had nothing to do with L&P delaying the update to the 1st, but maybe reading and understanding are two different things, huh? So yeah, go call someone else a kid, boyo.

Oh boy, of course you didn't mention it or imply it. It was just general ranting of mine about the end phase of AWAM

 

[SexyShelly]

we need someone else to make the game faster with the same quality, there is no copyright in porn games right? so someone step it up.

Yes, there is copyright even in adult content, to do such new game or take over a current game, you would need written permission from the original dev to do so, if you create or use their original work without their consent and you get paid for it, they could take you to court and will win where you would need to pay them everything you earned

 

[Bibifoc]

Haters always gonna hate. It's so much easier to shit on someone's work, especially when the final product you get is completely free, as 99% of us pirate it from here anyway.
There's so much stuff online for horny people out there yet folks tend to pour out their frustration on a bunch of devs, who have their personal lives and not obliged to stress their asses off 24/7.

Your advise to some smart ass was on point. If mister/missis X thinks that a certain task could be done within a XYZ time, why won't they show us how it's done, on their own example. Right, just pointless pretentious suggestions from absolute no-names. Again, if a person supports L&P and doesn't like his working attitude, him personally for whatever reason, simply drop the financial aid, it's that easy. Bitching around on a pirate forum has absolutely no affect on any dev, unless they're active here. Channel your energy elsewhere, crybabies.

You go much further than my point. People tends to think that Renpy is just some Powerpoint. You put 2 images and 3 dialog lines and it's ok. In a way, it's true but when you really do thing everything always takes more time than expected. And it seems difficult to understand it without trying it.

I would be curious to have the point of view of people who make the fan art games here.

 

[jamdan]

If the bars are useless, why does it matter what they are, how many there are, or anything else about them? LP could have a hundred bars or one bar, the end results would be the same.

And I don't get the "he does it to delay" stuff. LP has never had a consistent release date, it could be mid-month, it could be early, it could be late. As a previous post showed.

You can keep track of that at xxxorro's excellent post here.

https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-185-lust-passion.5944/post-8120982

The last 7 releases have been on:

April 29
February 4
November 21
August 24
July 11
May 23
April 12

No rhyme or reason to the delays. It's fun to rip on L&P, but it doesn't seem like he waits until the first of the month for Patreon money.

This game is on pace for completion in...2040? There is no point in delaying a few days to fill up another bar... which is useless.

 

[immassman]

Yes, there is copyright even in adult content, to do such new game or take over a current game, you would need written permission from the original dev to do so, if you create or use their original work without their consent and you get paid for it, they could take you to court and will win where you would need to pay them everything you earned

it's a porn game wtf lol

 

[SexyShelly]

it's a porn game wtf lol

The only way it would work, is if you had a totally different script / story / plot, I am sure you are able to get all same models from the marketplaces, but also still have similar scenes that you enjoy but but within different plot, that would be your work an not what is being copied, to make it 100% the same, same scenes, same layout, same story, you do need need permission, but, change the plot and make it your own, for example, similar story, same models if they are within the marketplace but within a cyberpunk future style game, that is a new story then, that be yours and you don't need permission as it won't be the same as the original

 

[ihl86]

The only way it would work, is if you had a totally different script / story / plot, I am sure you are able to get all same models from the marketplaces, but also still have similar scenes that you enjoy but but within different plot, that would be your work an not what is being copied, to make it 100% the same, same scenes, same layout, same story, you do need need permission, but, change the plot and make it your own, for example, similar story, same models if they are within the marketplace but within a cyberpunk future style game, that is a new story then, that be yours and you don't need permission as it won't be the same as the original

I think you go a little too far with how much you are allowed to be similar to the story.
It's not like a mother that is a teacher in current times is such an original story that anyone could have a claim on that.
And why would someone make the same scenes. If they would make the game and "continue" the story it would not be content already existing.
I am not an expert, not even a novice in copyright laws, I'm just talking here from a common sense point of view.
However, since everybody is from a different country, where would one even be sued? What laws should apply? Everything is complicated. Also, with other type of products, I know you need a patent, to be able to claim that noone else does the same thing. Not sure how much of that applies to this type of content.

there are lots of other good games out there, same corruption genre. Free pass is even better to me. Sophia is not the prettiest milf. Anyway it won't be so hard, maybe not the same detailed lighting but free pass or Ms.Denvers lighting is good enough. I don't even care about this game anymore right now as other games i like are also on hiatus i just came by to visit. It won't be that hard really.

I got bored of free pass pretty soon. Don't really know in what state it is right now.
Ms. Denvers is very early in development and from what I remember also doesn't have fast development time.
Sophia is surely not the prettiest but for me, she is the sexiest for this type of content. She just has a face that screams corruption game to me.
Also, there aren't that many good corruption games out there. Most are either too fast, or have bad graphics, or are rpgm which is a chore in itself to play.


If this game was so common/average/can find a lot of other games like this it wouldn't have so many people on its thread. If the developer wasn't so ..., it would also have a lot more supporters, I am sure.

 

[Bibifoc]

[Insert pitchfork gif here] All blame Bibifoc.

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[palmtrees89]

I can't help finding that part funny. You want to change stuff from a bar to another one. What for? What difference will it make to the work that needs to be done?

I just talked about the only dev phase of AWAM I know.

You basically answered your question with this. He's not giving you much insight with the way he wants you to work on the project from what it looks like, or am I wrong? If you were to do your part much earlier, you'd have a much better view at how little is done over time, aka L&P getting slower and slower, which he obviously would never admit. Surely he doesn't contact you right after the photoshop part is done so you have enough time to finish your part during the Programming&Translation phase, right? That's what I mean when I talk about a terrible workflow. One would think that after 6 years these processes were somewhat optimized.

Tell me if I'm wrong, but isn't that exactly the outcome here? Why do you have to wait till the very end for him to let you update Gallery&Co, and why does it seem like he's waiting till last minute to get you on board? This whole working process just seems flawed and causes more delay than anything. I'm not a programmer and so I don't know how much time you spend on your part, but that's not the point I'm trying to make here. It all comes down to L&P treating his project like fort-knox so nobody can ever see that what's going on behind closed curtains is an absolute shitshow. The only proof we have of that is the constant slowdown of development. I mean, just look at the current year. So far there's been 2 updates, 1 of which started development at the end of 2022 even.

You go much further than my point. People tends to think that Renpy is just some Powerpoint. You put 2 images and 3 dialog lines and it's ok. In a way, it's true but when you really do thing everything always takes more time than expected. And it seems difficult to understand it without trying it.

I would be curious to have the point of view of people who make the fan art games here.

Can't argue with that except that things are getting slower, which after 6 years of doing it one would think it's the other way around as normally humans become faster with more experience and the skills that come with it. Or, as mentioned, a more optimized workflow atleast. But not so with L&P.

Edit: Just to be clear, I certainly do NOT blame you for anything.

 

[sept0342]

Yeah, we know you're doing your best Bibifoc!

 

[immassman]

The only way it would work, is if you had a totally different script / story / plot, I am sure you are able to get all same models from the marketplaces, but also still have similar scenes that you enjoy but but within different plot, that would be your work an not what is being copied, to make it 100% the same, same scenes, same layout, same story, you do need need permission, but, change the plot and make it your own, for example, similar story, same models if they are within the marketplace but within a cyberpunk future style game, that is a new story then, that be yours and you don't need permission as it won't be the same as the original

ofcourse, not the same exact scene and plot wtf, only sophia will be the same, you can tone down the height and and big boobs as well. Just so this game could end and we finally get to the ntr part.

 

[Deleted member 3218369]

LP is too fucking slowww

 

[ihl86]

You basically answered your question with this. He's not giving you much insight with the way he wants you to work on the project from what it looks like, or am I wrong? If you were to do your part much earlier, you'd have a much better view at how little is done over time, aka L&P getting slower and slower, which he obviously would never admit. Surely he doesn't contact you right after the photoshop part is done so you have enough time to finish your part during the Programming&Translation phase, right? That's what I mean when I talk about a terrible workflow. One would think that after 6 years these processes were somewhat optimized.

Tell me if I'm wrong, but isn't that exactly the outcome here? Why do you have to wait till the very end for him to let you update Gallery&Co, and why does it seem like he's waiting till last minute to get you on board? This whole working process just seems flawed and causes more delay than anything. I'm not a programmer and so I don't know how much time you spend on your part, but that's not the point I'm trying to make here. It all comes down to L&P treating his project like fort-knox so nobody can ever see that what's going on behind closed curtains is an absolute shitshow. The only proof we have of that is the constant slowdown of development. I mean, just look at the current year. So far there's been 2 updates, 1 of which started development at the end of 2022 even.



Can't argue with that except that things are getting slower, which after 6 years of doing it one would think it's the other way around as normally humans become faster with more experience and the skills that come with it. Or, as mentioned, a more optimized workflow atleast. But not so with L&P.

Edit: Just to be clear, I certainly do NOT blame you for anything.

You can't really do the gallery part until the programming is done.
The gallery needs to reference a part of the game. If that is not done, what is the gallery supposed to reference?

I don't think L&P plans to develop slower and slower. I think he is just very poor at managing his time. I think he also doesn't really respect his supporters too much (this is just my feeling, can't really know for sure).
I want to say though, as a perfectionist myself, that sometimes, it can take an insane amount of time to get everything just the way you want it.
Also, since this is a creative process, sometimes maybe inspiration just doesn't strike. Maybe he is the type of person to just not do something if he isn't feeling the creative process. Of course he can't say that, so he finds other excuses.

I mean, just look at George R.R. Martin. He is just L&P on the highest scale possible. Had success with his books. Each novel took longer and longer to write. Four or five years ago he said book 6 was 70-80 % complete but somehow it's still not done. Winds of winter has now been started 12 years ago or something and still isn't done. He gains nothing by postponing the release date, he just isn't capable to do it faster.

I think people just attribute too much malicious intent to someone who just isn't good at the project management part. At least AWAM's story is something that if it never finishes it's not the worst thing in the world. Maybe just a few more blue balls than normal. If GRRM dies before finishing the Song of Ice and Fire series... That's a lot worse. And pretty likely at this point in time.

 

[trashcop]

I'm putting an end to the discussions, brothers and sisters. Here's the woman L&P was inspired by when designing the sophia.

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[Wbwbd85]

Just a day or 2 more and all we will see is hero & spoiler messages and pranks being spamed.. we are entering begging season. This is not a drill. Keep focused people.

 

[Rajesh Ram]

LP is too fucking slowww

True ,
With this speed we can never see Sophia Sex Scene

 

[SexyShelly]

ofcourse, not the same exact scene and plot wtf, only sophia will be the same, you can tone down the height and and big boobs as well. Just so this game could end and we finally get to the ntr part.

Isn't Sophia on Blender marketplace? as I am sure I seen her on there, if you are able to get her, you are able use her how you feel you like, you don't permission, if your going to make the game for just for future content and not from the beginning then your okay

Just, if you wanted to remake it from the start of the game, then, would be better to ask the dev for permission

The backgrounds, I am not sure if the dev made them or if you are able to buy them, if you are able to buy them, again, you have no issue

There are two fan made games for A Wife & Mother, one with Dylan and one with Aiden, I am guessing here, but, It may look like all the content is purchasable, for them to make a fan made ones, you could always go down that route