VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[Bibifoc]

You basically answered your question with this. He's not giving you much insight with the way he wants you to work on the project from what it looks like, or am I wrong? If you were to do your part much earlier, you'd have a much better view at how little is done over time, aka L&P getting slower and slower, which he obviously would never admit. Surely he doesn't contact you right after the photoshop part is done so you have enough time to finish your part during the Programming&Translation phase, right? That's what I mean when I talk about a terrible workflow. One would think that after 6 years these processes were somewhat optimized.

Tell me if I'm wrong, but isn't that exactly the outcome here? Why do you have to wait till the very end for him to let you update Gallery&Co, and why does it seem like he's waiting till last minute to get you on board? This whole working process just seems flawed and causes more delay than anything. I'm not a programmer and so I don't know how much time you spend on your part, but that's not the point I'm trying to make here. It all comes down to L&P treating his project like fort-knox so nobody can ever see that what's going on behind closed curtains is an absolute shitshow. The only proof we have of that is the constant slowdown of development. I mean, just look at the current year. So far there's been 2 updates, 1 of which started development at the end of 2022 even.

What you say doesn't really apply here. I don't really need insight. I just have to add the new scene (or more if lucky ) in the gallery.

In the most basic gallery possible, you have to find the beginning of the scene and all exit points possible and add a line of code in each of these endpoints. In AWAM I make it a little more complex by removing useless menu/choices only in the replay. So I also need to add or alter some code in the menus.

To do this, I need the final script. I need the menu/choices to be placed, I need the scenes exit points to be placed. I need the scenes finished. Maybe he could send me the script just after the P&T (I don't have it right now but I can't do anything until tonight) but that means we'd have to merge my work and his fixes. It's possible but for what gain? Not much I think.

In my mind, the way we work for the testing phase is ok. If we talk about other phases, it would be something else (the translation for example).

Now the gallery don't take that much time (around one hour maybe a bit more). There is the testing phase where I play the update and review the code (fixing L&P's bad habits ). It takes more time.

In this specific update, we'll have to fix some problems from the previous one. It could have been done earlier, that's for sure, but it wasn't.

And of course we need to sync. We are in the same timezone but L&P is quite a night owl.

Edit: Just to be clear, I certainly do NOT blame you for anything.

I never thought the contrary... At least I hoped

But reading that the only phase where I do something is just a trap for patrons was a bit annoying (first thing I read in the morning). Especialy knowing it wasn't the usual troll.

 

[Bibifoc]

Haha, I was just joking. I never knew it actually happened before. Kind of not surprising at the same time.

It wasn't really bad. It was just the first time my name was mentionned while L&P was waiting for me on the testing phase. There were some pitchforks things... for joking... I guess

 

[immassman]

Isn't Sophia on Blender marketplace? as I am sure I seen her on there, if you are able to get her, you are able use her how you feel you like, you don't permission, if your going to make the game for just for future content and not from the beginning then your okay

Just, if you wanted to remake it from the start of the game, then, would be better to ask the dev for permission

The backgrounds, I am not sure if the dev made them or if you are able to buy them, if you are able to buy them, again, you have no issue

There are two fan made games for A Wife & Mother, one with Dylan and one with Aiden, I am guessing here, but, It may look like all the content is purchasable, for them to make a fan made ones, you could always go down that route

that fan made render/graphic is too bad that's why i said good quality at least on the level of free pass. She looks like angry witch on that fan made hahaha

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

Did Bibifoc become like Onyxdime with icstor?

 

[sept0342]

What you say doesn't really apply here. I don't really need insight. I just have to add the new scene (or more if lucky ) in the gallery.

In the most basic gallery possible, you have to find the beginning of the scene and all exit points possible and add a line of code in each of these endpoints. In AWAM I make it a little more complex by removing useless menu/choices only in the replay. So I also need to add or alter some code in the menus.

To do this, I need the final script. I need the menu/choices to be placed, I need the scenes exit points to be placed. I need the scenes finished. Maybe he could send me the script just after the P&T (I don't have it right now but I can't do anything until tonight) but that means we'd have to merge my work and his fixes. It's possible but for what gain? Not much I think.

In my mind, the way we work for the testing phase is ok. If we talk about other phases, it would be something else (the translation for example).

Now the gallery don't take that much time (around one hour maybe a bit more). There is the testing phase where I play the update and review the code (fixing L&P's bad habits ). It takes more time.

In this specific update, we'll have to fix some problems from the previous one. It could have been done earlier, that's for sure, but it wasn't.

And of course we need to sync. We are in the same timezone but L&P is quite a night owl.

I never thought the contrary... At least I hoped

But reading that the only phase where I do something is just a trap for patrons was a bit annoying (first thing I read in the morning). Especialy knowing it wasn't the usual troll.

So... do you dare make a guess for it to be complete? Maybe tomorrow?

 

[rAmSiMaL]

Just a day or 2 more and all we will see is hero & spoiler messages and pranks being spamed.. we are entering begging season. This is not a drill. Keep focused people.

That’s why you should stay away from this thread for a couple of days from the moment the new update is released

 

[Bibifoc]

Did Bibifoc become like Onyxdime with icstor?

A hint for me perhaps?

 

[Bibifoc]

So... do you dare make a guess for it to be complete? Maybe tomorrow?

I need to have an idea of when I'm going to receive the final script first.

 

[ihl86]

I'm putting an end to the discussions, brothers and sisters. Here's the woman L&P was inspired by when designing the sophia.

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As the model L&P used is a ready made asset (used to be on daz store no on the creators website itself:

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) he wasn't inspired by any real life people. He saw a 3d model he liked and used it for his VN.
Who inspired the person/people that made the 3d model in the first place ? You could ask them but probably no one in particular.

 

[palmtrees89]

What you say doesn't really apply here. I don't really need insight. I just have to add the new scene (or more if lucky ) in the gallery.

In the most basic gallery possible, you have to find the beginning of the scene and all exit points possible and add a line of code in each of these endpoints. In AWAM I make it a little more complex by removing useless menu/choices only in the replay. So I also need to add or alter some code in the menus.

To do this, I need the final script. I need the menu/choices to be placed, I need the scenes exit points to be placed. I need the scenes finished. Maybe he could send me the script just after the P&T (I don't have it right now but I can't do anything until tonight) but that means we'd have to merge my work and his fixes. It's possible but for what gain? Not much I think.

In my mind, the way we work for the testing phase is ok. If we talk about other phases, it would be something else (the translation for example).

Now the gallery don't take that much time (around one hour maybe a bit more). There is the testing phase where I play the update and review the code (fixing L&P's bad habits ). It takes more time.

In this specific update, we'll have to fix some problems from the previous one. It could have been done earlier, that's for sure, but it wasn't.

And of course we need to sync. We are in the same timezone but L&P is quite a night owl.

I never thought the contrary... At least I hoped

But reading that the only phase where I do something is just a trap for patrons was a bit annoying (first thing I read in the morning). Especialy knowing it wasn't the usual troll.

What I meant with insight is more about a look behind closed curtains while L&P is still working on stuff instead of handing it to you when everything is done. BUT, if there's no other way then I guess that part of my post was just wrong.

But it also makes me question why you're not hired for the entire programming part as it sounds like you would handle it way better (and probably faster) than he does, which in return would result in less bugs, a smoother testing phase and faster progression in general as he could spend time on other things (DAZ Library for next update to name one example). I mean, maybe you don't have the time or he just doesn't want to hand it out like that, I can't tell and that's none of my business anyway, but I'm just sitting here shaking my head when looking at the output this year and the realization that if this is the new norm, a finished product is now 50+ years away, and that is without his plans for Steam. What's next? In 2024 the estimates go up to 70+ years?

I said it a couple days ago, but why not atleast hire an editor (photoshopping) and/or writer? You or whoever else fit for the job to do the programming part. He always acts as if he's trying to find help, when especially these roles can be filled quite easily as it doesn't require for him to work with another artist on his renders, which is what he always makes out to be the impossible thing for various reasons, just to bring it up months or a year later again, and again....without anything happening, except for him getting slower. He could probably push out twice as much content if he had these roles filled.

Anyway, I'm going way off the initial topic here. My apologies if you felt like I was trying to undermine your efforts by calling the new progress bar a trap. Certainly not my intention.

And for those coming here trying to say that "Maybe L&P just wants to work this way. What do you know? Do it better! Hater! HUUUUU :'("....yeah, MAYBE L&P should stop making statements about hiring people, speeding up development, acting like he's the goddamn Picasso of VN's while shitting on other developers. MAYBE, just maybe, he'd receive less criticism if he stopped this crap. People don't have to buy a product to have an opinion, and last time I checked this was still a forum where people discuss games, their development and the developers. There's always some genius coming up with this garbage logic as can be seen a couple posts back. (That is not aimed at you Bibifoc )

 

[palmtrees89]

Did Bibifoc become like Onyxdime with icstor?

Let's hope that is not the case. I doubt it.

 

[hu lover]

Did Bibifoc become like Onyxdime with icstor?

Why would you think that?
Bibifoc and Onyxdime are two different people.

 

[Rajesh Ram]

Sophia character is Good Wife or a Bitch?

 

[Bibifoc]

And nobody's going to tell me what that means, of course.

 

[hzjujk]

What I meant with insight is more about a look behind closed curtains while L&P is still working on stuff instead of handing it to you when everything is done. BUT, if there's no other way then I guess that part of my post was just wrong.
...

 

[hu lover]

Sophia character is Good Wife or a Bitch?

Obviously she is a bitch.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

A hint for me perhaps?

Yeah, run before the haters target you

 

[XaGnard]

Haters always gonna hate. It's so much easier to shit on someone's work, especially when the final product you get is completely free, as 99% of us pirate it from here anyway.
There's so much stuff online for horny people out there yet folks tend to pour out their frustration on a bunch of devs, who have their personal lives and not obliged to stress their asses off 24/7.

Your advise to some smart ass was on point. If mister/missis X thinks that a certain task could be done within a XYZ time, why won't they show us how it's done, on their own example. Right, just pointless pretentious suggestions from absolute no-names. Again, if a person supports L&P and doesn't like his working attitude, him personally for whatever reason, simply drop the financial aid, it's that easy. Bitching around on a pirate forum has absolutely no affect on any dev, unless they're active here. Channel your energy elsewhere, crybabies.

Sure, i also think for people who haven't actually tried it themselves, it's difficult to say how much effort really goes into the development of such a game. Ultimately, however, this goes both ways. For example, it makes no sense to pretend that L&P's percentage graphs really show that he is actively working on the project. Maybe L&P only worked on the AWAM update for a mpnth and then took the rest of the time off. We do not know this because there is zero way to verify this.

Therfore, It makes perfect sense for the fans of this game to think about L&P working speed as good das they can, because in crowdfunding it is the community that takes on the role of sponsor, and there is no other control function involved. The fact that this happens in a pirate forum I think is mainly due to the fact that as a nonsubscriber (or no longer subscriber) on Patron you have virtually no opportunity for this exchange of opinions. Even more, anyone who believes that this discussion should be linked to a patron subscription has not even begun to understand how criticism works. If only those who have a positive opinion (pactically the basic condition for a willingness to give also money) could express it, there would be no possibility to inform oneself objectively. It needs both the positive and the negative feedback.

My biggest criticism of L&P is not the development speed, but the lack of project planning. AWAM, despite all the years the game has been in the works, has only just reached midgame and would probably take decades to complete. Anyone who is not completely naive must see that something is going wrong. I think it's a shame because I don't want to see the money I once spent half an eternity ago wasted.

 

[hu lover]

Yeah, run before the haters target you

People shouldn't pick on Bibifoc. How could he possibly be impersonating Onyxdime? There is no proof.

 

[Deleted member 3218369]

I think LP is ejaculating while watching his own update