Why would low tier patrons even keep paying Thier subscription seems to serve absolutely no purpose other than a money grab now? Wouldn't it make more sense to just remove the lower tiers instead?
This is not enough. You exploit users by forcing them to masturbate. And masturbation is a waste of time and energy. In fact, users spend their personal time and energy on your game. And they do it completely free of charge. It is not right. You have to pay people for the time spent playing the game. At a minimum, the payment must cover the cost of the kilocalories spent on jerking off (SARCASM)
The original question was perhaps poorly worded, but it's premise is a very valid one - what is the value proposition of the lower tier subscriptions?
Your response - a little pile of reflexive self-victimization - is an interesting approach. I'd urge you to reconsider it, and actually engage with the question.
If you think that the issue doesn't really exist, that lower tier subscribers are getting what they want, I can offer you some anecdotal evidence to the contrary.
I, personally, went to your Patreon fully intending to support the game development - I was impressed by the quality of the demo you recently put out, and had some spare Patreon budget. I took a look at the subscription options, and noped right out.
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Оh boy, now we need to wait for full-fledged content not for 21 days, but for more than 42 days. I can't imagine how much lower you can fall.
just sell the game on steam for 30 bucks and stop making excuses for making money.
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small note to dev (dont know if this will be read by him) the menu button on android is really small or somehow doesnt fit properly ... please let me know if this is for me only.
The question was about the LOWER tiers not the game itself. You might see it as working for free when those lower tiers are actually paying you but if they arnt receiving full access which is what they originally signed up for then what is the purpose of the lower tiers for other than taking people's money if game content is paywalled to within those tiers
Why would they support you if they receive the same content as people who don't subscribe tho. I'm asking you for the reason why we should pay you for access to nothing in the lower tiers. Without access to content those lower tiers exist soley to take money from people absolutely no other reason for them other than that
You changed the tier system not usYou should ask them, because I don't know why they do that
As the developer shouldn't you be able to validate your reasoning behind paywalling content to people that already pay you for content or is what they pay you simple not good enough
Im a bit confused by this discussion about patreon tiers and the amount of content each tier gets. Mikejones978, did you read the whole post about the distribution changes? Because everyone will still get all the content, just at different times. So higher tier patreons get it first and then the lower tiers, but your argument seems to be that lower tiers wont get some of the content at all.
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So the free release lags one update behind the lowest tier then? If so, then i misunderstood that part.
Issue: "Hey, this one aspect of how you're setting up subscriptions on Patreon doesn't seem to make sense."I really hope you understand that I can do whatever I want with my game and that I can always change the way I distribute it. I can cancel the public version, and I can make the game available only to the highest tier and stop releasing it to everyone else at all. Simply because it's my game. I'm not asking anyone to support the game. Everyone does it willingly. If someone doesn't see the point in subscribing, I won't force them to do it
Dev response: "I can do what I want with my game! I can cancel it! You want me to work for free, like a slave? I can do what I want!"
The standard combination of ego and insecurity is as obvious as it is tiresome. Please take a deep breath, a chill pill, and a break - must be exhausting tossing all those strawmen around.
Last I'll comment on this mess.
I see. Deleted that part of my post.
That's the point the lower tiered patrons don't get that content until after public release which means having lower paying tiers serves very little purpose other than collecting revenue. They may get access 7 days before a public release but specific access to content is still paywalled in their version of the release until a later update. I'm simply asking for a valid reason as to as to why lower tier paying subs are paying for something they will have access to at the same time as a generic public release. If Thier supporting the project should they not have full access to all content from a release (within the release schedule) like all other patrons or is Thier money not good enough to be given that access
I think there might be some confusion as to the "lower tiers will miss out on some content" part of it. As far as I understand it, the game has "extra content" on higher tiers that give players the ability to influence more people through their phone. While lower tiers will have limits on how many people at once players can influence. But the contents of the story remain the same, am I right?
If so that's that's more of a feature than content and me this seems perfectly reasonable. Though as you said you can do whatever you want.
I do think that different version for every tier is tricky because the content is either:
1- easily patchable/hackable by some in this site
Or
2- costly to develop because it differs significantly from version to version.
If you try to battle the first case, you might find yourself frustrated and spending a lot of time fighting with pirates. Which would make it costly anyway.
These are just my thoughts, and not a criticism. Just an unasked for analysis based on incomplete information or maybe I just like to "read myself write"
If so that's that's more of a feature than content and me this seems perfectly reasonable. Though as you said you can do whatever you want.
I do think that different version for every tier is tricky because the content is either:
1- easily patchable/hackable by some in this site
Or
2- costly to develop because it differs significantly from version to version.
If you try to battle the first case, you might find yourself frustrated and spending a lot of time fighting with pirates. Which would make it costly anyway.
These are just my thoughts, and not a criticism. Just an unasked for analysis based on incomplete information or maybe I just like to "read myself write"
i was a bit unsure of this game at first but it is really fun once you get used to it
Bruh this attitude of the dev is something else...I am so happy piracy sites,forums etc exist so we can play the content for free without waiting or paying at all.
Gets some compliments for the game and some money to support the game and thinks he is EA now
Gets some compliments for the game and some money to support the game and thinks he is EA now