- Thread starter Yuno Gasai
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Shit they could take 13 months for all I care.
I'm just saying, Its a fucking porn game. Go click on the latest page and play another while you wait. This one has good renders and readable text. If they release future updates hurray! If not, Well I'm not someone who is dumb enough to sub to indie porn devs on patreon when its been proven plenty of times on this exact site not to trust new/1st time devs.
At this point, it's just a Beta. Most of the good games, like you mentioned, have released more than two episodes. Not to mention, devs usually provide weekly or monthly progress report. That's not the case here. That's why people are losing patience.
You're right, it would be foolish.
most of those devs arent radio silent on progress either
I don't really care either way about whether Yuno pauses Patreon.
I only donate to devs during the month when they release game updates ... and that's only for when they have proven track records. Otherwise, it just feels like I'm throwing money away. Also this way, I can treat it like a simple transaction while still supporting the creator in some way. It's not much but the dev's still getting like 15 to 25 dollars for every PART of a game that is released. "I give money, I get product in exchange". I'm no Mr.Money-Bags-Benefactor here. I can't wrap my head around just "donating" money like that, especially when the dude's richer than me because of it. (Not talking about the majority of devs, but the really successful ones on Patreon.)
I'm not incentivizing the dev to basically just pump out updates for revenue and creative expression/quality be damned but at the same time I'm not donating money to the dev for occasional renders, vague dev reports, or what feels like basically nothing. (When I could buy like 2 to 3 burritos or something good with that money instead. Damn, son. I haven't had a burrito in a long-ass time. Might get one.)
In fact, while Patreon gives creators more freedom to do things (which is great). I always thought just directly making a business model off of it was a little weird but the genie's out of the bottle and there's no room for an alternative at this point. I'd like to see the kind of dev who switches to something that doesn't provide a constant monthly revenue regardless of whether something was actually produced or whether any work was actually done towards the project.
I only donate to devs during the month when they release game updates ... and that's only for when they have proven track records. Otherwise, it just feels like I'm throwing money away. Also this way, I can treat it like a simple transaction while still supporting the creator in some way. It's not much but the dev's still getting like 15 to 25 dollars for every PART of a game that is released. "I give money, I get product in exchange". I'm no Mr.Money-Bags-Benefactor here. I can't wrap my head around just "donating" money like that, especially when the dude's richer than me because of it. (Not talking about the majority of devs, but the really successful ones on Patreon.)
I'm not incentivizing the dev to basically just pump out updates for revenue and creative expression/quality be damned but at the same time I'm not donating money to the dev for occasional renders, vague dev reports, or what feels like basically nothing. (When I could buy like 2 to 3 burritos or something good with that money instead. Damn, son. I haven't had a burrito in a long-ass time. Might get one.)
In fact, while Patreon gives creators more freedom to do things (which is great). I always thought just directly making a business model off of it was a little weird but the genie's out of the bottle and there's no room for an alternative at this point. I'd like to see the kind of dev who switches to something that doesn't provide a constant monthly revenue regardless of whether something was actually produced or whether any work was actually done towards the project.
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Most devs have an update within a few weeks to a few months after their initial release to address bug fixes, grammar issues, feedback from players, etc. The absence of any update at all after the initial release is a really bad sign. Add on top of that the lack of communication/radio silence of the dev, and you can pretty much guess the future of this title.
Those saying "it could take xx amount of time, I don't care" have one thing right: the not caring. Because this title is unlikely to get any update other than "aboned".
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Since even Cloudlet could continue his VN, there might be hope for this one, albeit rather little.
I think i said it before as i read it somewhere, he took 2yrs for episode 1, most of the time he took for make it perfection
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Well, he has only 220 Patreons. That's not much money. He could get many more if he made updates. With every update a dev gets more Patreons.
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There is a slight difference between having a good reputation amongst current/possible patrons for some time and having a bad reputation amongst current/possible patrons forever.
Developers who do that shit can try what they want, but they'll never be trusted again by most people.
Meaning the dev could do this once and never again. Plus all other projects s/he does in the future is treated the same.
The process you said works, but is hell of a lot inconvenient and destroys the developers future.
Even if s/he hides under a different name, that shit always comes back to bite him/her.
Since Yuno already is established as an artist and I'd guess he has an IQ above room temperature I don't see that in this case.
I agree. I know a dev who has an IQ below the temp of Antartica and still makes a killing at milking. Although, his Patreon has dwindled quite a bit over the years. So, now he releases psychedelic monstrosities and calls them updates that has nothing to do with the original game he released.
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As said, it does work.
For some completely stupid reason or another the dev you are talking about still "clings on" with doing it.
Thing is he has destroyed his reputation while doing so.
For a successful milking endeavour Yuno has to few patrons since over the course of it the patrons are almost guaranteed to dwindle in numbers when an update is not in sight.
Meaning even if he would be milking, what he likely is not for reasons I described, it would be next to ineffective while at the same time effectively killing all his future projects.
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There are indeed Devs who create games/vns above average and stop right from the beginning..
There are several reasons, but the most common ones:
If you get a lot of attention, you get a lot of sponsorship and for a long time people will continue to pay in hopes of an update... which may never come (intentional or not)
There are those who expect success like a certain ICS..
And that your first VN will pay off all the debts and make up for working only on that. (and the dreamer unfortunately recognizes in a few months that it wasn't quite like that) and quit.
Some exaggerated the quality in the first ep so much that it becomes impractical to assemble and render 4K an ep in a few months..
Not necessarily, some assets in many VNs are bought (from Daz Studio to Renderotica or even Renderhub) even characters with some cosmetic changes..are used..
It's rare for a VN with assets entirely made in Blender or Daz Studio by the same DEV.
That said, there's no way to say that something made by dev X can't be copied by Z (with rare cases)
If you look around here, some fan made ones look very similar to their originals.
Yes, your artistic name ends up burned, but nothing prevents you from starting with another name or outsourced worker on some other project.
You will hardly see a Dev openly attack another here... and wash dirty linen.(so how are you going to recognize that he changed his name, if even those who know him won't say anything?)
Ps. before anyone thinks it's a direct attack on this DEV, they're wrong, I speak in general.. (until I regret that the vn is stopped)
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That a dev returns with a new name or is using outsourced work gets known 99 out of 100 times.
Sometimes it is discovered by the art style.
Sometimes it is discovered by the writing style.
Sometimes it is discovered by data found on twitter/discord/steam/gaylordsunite.
There are next to no instances where a dev in the long run would get away with shit like lying/milking.
He or she will always need to be weary of his or her new projects and is expecting for his or her path to catch up.
Karma is a bitch.
And she ALWAYS is coming for you.
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Those games, like BAD or SG, have developers very active with the community providing updates weekly and never going radio silent. Those games also take that long because the updates are large. People are waiting for the follow up to a short first episode of this game, and the developer has been basically silent. It's not comparable to established games with frequent progress updates.
It's also been almost 9 months at this point so ...