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RogueKnightUK

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Not playd The Deluca Family yet then i assume? Luna is my Fav, hands on, but yeah Melissa is definately nr 2.
I prefer Melissa still. Luna is just that teeny bit too crazy, at once both far more naive, and far too aggressive and impulsive. Melissa could love both her friend and her man enough to share. Luna would have cut off your balls and choked her girlfriend to death with them. :D
 
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I think we've had enough of that attitude from certain people defending the game and accusing anyone not liking it of being shallow or stupid.

I know from reading your earlier posts that you believe, as I do, that it isn't that those things happened, but how they were written, that is what we are criticising.

An adult game is an adult game if it has even one adult scene. I felt this game had plenty of adult content, if you made choices in that direction.
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Not just doing the over-used trope of stuffing in extra sex scenes, or worse, the on-demand shower/bed dreamscenes is a choice, and not a stupid one. I'm not sure I'd call it bold either, to be fair, but not giving in to demands from some for endless shallow/superfluous lewds isn't a bad decision at all.

And for whatever reason, we know that the fire scene was always a part of the basic plot idea that the rest of the game was created to make happen. Doc had a story to tell, and since this wasn't avoidable, and came right at the end of the meaningful choices on branching, you know it was a central point of it.

Sometimes characters die in stories because it is a part of the journey. Obi-Wan in the duel with Darth Vader, for one example (despite the ghost thing). Someone in your immediate family in every revenge story ever. In a lot of traditional Chinese stories, the MC himself will often die at the end - such as in Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon - because their culture is rich in the tradition of heroic sacrifice. Sometimes they even have to die at your hands, in a fight you'd have loved to avoid but couldn't.

So, the story element and decision to use it isn't 'stupid' at all. It just wasn't written as well as in most of the successful stories. At least we are getting a sense of weight in the aftermath,
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It just could have done with better pacing and some foreshadowing. It just needed a little more fine-tuning to be the intended "OMG" instead of the actual "WTF", in my opinion. I gave plenty of examples earlier for that, so won't repeat them.
I do not call DrPinkCake stupid. I call the move, which is what I refer stupid. Because move is stupid. In other posts you discuss how poor handled villains in the game are. You are also very much in how the handle of the fire is poor as well. But in ways it comes back to poor decision in planning story one way, writing it as something different, and not be willing to make changes. You speak of journey for character, but what journey will be possible with what will like to be a short ending in 8? Starting off broken, cute meet with girl... find way to enjoy life while helping others, then not only have hopes hurt, but instead disintegrated by character who means nothing, and story cheat in every way to have twist that was planning from the start. Character now broken, again... so either game ends with still broken... so fuck you to audience... or more like character find way to move on and live life again, which is what had already learning to do in first place. If character was on top of world, then goes low, then finds way back. Logical good story progress. Start broken, slowly work to happiness and help friend and others, then broken even worse, then happy, surely is repetitive. It is what is meant when I say plan is flaw from the start.

Can twist have worked? May be could. But as is, turns flesh and blood feeling characters into objects. You speak of journey, and death can be journey. But how is
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journey for their character? Obi-wan dies and it makes sense. MC dies in Chinese movies and it is the end of where story is going and is result of choice that characters made, or sacrifice, or one of million other things. In revenge movies, girl friend or family dies as motivation. In AL it is surely plain to see that it is different. Death of girl is climax, but to what path? We are at ending, we may not see complete destination yet, but path should be in front of us. But why death is pointless and leave many, many, readers cold is because it exists only for twist. Because it is in opposition to rest of the game, because choice in scenario is forced and made to feel unreasonable to any person with eyes, because entire plot has to turn it to be possible. So yes, if watching Chasing Amy, and in last half hour Amy murdered by gay comic book artist and last half hour turn into depressing thriller, that would be stupid, or bad, or pick what word you want.

So story element of twist? By itself is not stupid. But too much too often author try to make things black because feeling is drama has to come from only depression. 7 is written far worse than any previous with bad lines saying like, "you followed your heart's true desire." Bad lines like "Chemistry", zero interaction in conversation, and complete lack of focus on surviving girl. It shows, writing is more with no depth than earlier episodes, takes scenes from movies about pain, with not making it feel real. Sets tone to be so black that nothing matters. In fact so much argument over twist. Very little said about how badly 7 is written.

Cirlces keep getting walked in when we talk about this. But I stand by that the choice made was stupid. Same as choice to have Luke story as it was in Last Jedi was stupid, same as having Happening be about fucking trees is stupid, same as other bad story choices that exist. The blueprint is flawed because everything falls down to the twist, not enhanced by it. Can any fan honest say that playing early episodes is now better with the more info. That the game has more to it now because of Leah? It is opposite. In look back with new information, problems that are minor in the past are bigger now with new information.

As for porn game versus adult, don't see the point. Has not only regular sex scene like say, Mass Effect or Witcher, but full pornography scenes. That makes it a pornography game. That is market going for, just better written than almost all for long time until it threw self on rocks to show it could. Does not need constant sex scenes, sex scenes never all that great in first place, came for sex scenes but remain for character almost all agree there.
 
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Not playd The Deluca Family yet then i assume? Luna is my Fav, hands on, but yeah Melissa is definately nr 2.
I love Luna, but still, Melissa is the best for me.
First I thought she would be just the crazy bitch friend, but after you know her, everything she went through...
Also her design is awesome, short hair brunette with green eyes, she's fucking perfect lol
 
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RogueKnightUK

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I do not call DrPinkCake stupid. I call the move, which is what I refer stupid.
Well, you were referring to another person's quote yourself on that:
Pretty bold choice for a porn game to cut out most of the porn content and literally burn a love interest to a crisp.
and replied that it wasn't bold but stupid.

I think that's an over-statement, because I don't believe that it would be impossible to have a porn game that chose to have no more sex scenes than AL had, and had one of the characters lost to a fire, if the game had a tone that lent itself to that. We've heard DA mentioned a lot in comparison, and for good reason.
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The style, tone, and pacing of the game make that acceptable and believable, and for not just a few people, but a majority, to experience the scene and still say the game is great.

DA has, if I recall rightly, even fewer sex scenes than AL (depending on your choices in each game, of course).

So, if the decision to make DA wasn't 'stupid', then you over-stated the case, and that's why I'm arguing against that statement.

I think having a dark tale, even one that killed ALL of the love interests would be possible to do well, provided the story was told well, had the right tone for that purpose, etc. What is 'wrong', or at least what is fairly criticised, with the way this game did it handled the twist badly, or rather, the setup to the twist. You don't make a horror movie have a great twist by having it be "Little House on the Prairie" for the first 90 minutes and then have a "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" at the house in the last 30 minutes. It just doesn't work that way in being entertaining.
 

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Well, you were referring to another person's quote yourself on that:

and replied that it wasn't bold but stupid.

I think that's an over-statement, because I don't believe that it would be impossible to have a porn game that chose to have no more sex scenes than AL had, and had one of the characters lost to a fire, if the game had a tone that lent itself to that. We've heard DA mentioned a lot in comparison, and for good reason.
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The style, tone, and pacing of the game make that acceptable and believable, and for not just a few people, but a majority, to experience the scene and still say the game is great.

DA has, if I recall rightly, even fewer sex scenes than AL (depending on your choices in each game, of course).

So, if the decision to make DA wasn't 'stupid', then you over-stated the case, and that's why I'm arguing against that statement.

I think having a dark tale, even one that killed ALL of the love interests would be possible to do well, provided the story was told well, had the right tone for that purpose, etc. What is 'wrong', or at least what is fairly criticised, with the way this game did it handled the twist badly, or rather, the setup to the twist. You don't make a horror movie have a great twist by having it be "Little House on the Prairie" for the first 90 minutes and then have a "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" at the house in the last 30 minutes. It just doesn't work that way in being entertaining.
Fairly point. I mant more to AL in particular. Where it was stupid call. Not in every porn game.
Will also say that DA has much more sex than AL. It has much more sex than even sandbox games, or other VN types. DA did what did, and many say that it was stronger because of tone. But if as said, it was story like Dating My Daughter and then suddenly Georgina shoots Elena in the head, then it would be stupid decision.
I also, maybe stupid having tone I do not think it did. But not smart choice, that is my point. And if, as DrPinkCake has said, it was intended for the happy story to make the bad part hurt more, then it is a not smart choice.

Why I say that blueprint is bad is when one of defenders mentioned that if changes I ask for may make game less enjoyable in 1-5. If darker in that time, then happy moments, ones that are everyone agreeing working will not be strong. So then I consider and say, if very good romance comedy with some sad with Liam is to be strong as it is, then can game actually make
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function? I do not think so... because the thing that works in story and thing that does not work are opposite. Or if could work, would need not just master writer, but master of game design.
 
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DrPinkCake posted
Status Update Episode 8


This week I had to redo one animation that I wasn't happy with and I also rendered 2 more animations. The animation count is 32 in total, 24 of which are unique. I can't say for sure that I'm finished with animations yet, but for the time being I'm only rendering static images. This week I managed to get the total up to 533 and I wrote a lot more of the script, too, as well as other work that goes with wrapping this project up.

I've completed a lot of smaller tasks with code, credits, sound/music, polishing, writing an ending walkthrough and general management that doesn't show as progress in this report. When I play the episode, as it is right now, one major branch is almost complete. That branch lacks about 20 renders and some dialogue. The other major branches are about 40% completed. There are areas I haven't started working on yet, but also a lot of scenes that are fully completed. With the progress so far, I'm certain that Episode 8 is more than 50% completed.

I don't think I will be able to get a grasp of how close I am to a release date until I'm making the final renders, but my gut feeling is telling me that a December release is possible. I'm not promising anything yet, though.

Even if I don't know a specific date, I know that the release will be on a Friday/Saturday or on a day during the Holidays that I'm able to celebrate the end of this special journey.

The deadline of pledging +$30 to be in the ending credits of Acting Lessons, will be December 7. If you already have pledged +$30 but haven't DMed me the name you want in the credits, or if you want to change your name one final time, please do so before this date.

In December, I will release information on the new Patreon tiers for BADIK. The changes to the tiers will happen starting January 1st 2019.

I need to redesign my entire Patreon page, so please bare with me during that transition period. It's a one time thing.
A further note on AL. If I release AL in December, I will do it as usual. But after switching development to BADIK in January, Acting Lessons with Extras (Animations and Special renders) will be available for all patrons in the +$10 tier and I will remove the +$5 and +$1 versions without animations altogether.

I made this decision as I want the complete version to eventually be with Extras only. The +$5 version will still be available upon Episode 8 release, but will be removed on January 1st. The crunched Extras version will still be available and released in the +$10 tier as well.

Have a nice weekend!
Dr PinkCake
 

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Happy Holidays, everyone!
1080p and 4k wallpaper free for every Acting Lessons fan! Thank you for the support!
Find a NSFW version of this wallpaper on the Discord. .
Cheers
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At least with Mass Effect 3 people understood that it was because the dev had become the publisher bitch. Where as in this case the fault lays solely with the dev, in a cynical sense it almost seemed like the dev build up the story just enough to get a following and patreon support. Only kill the story and anything good about the game, while still teasing what "might" yet come. To those players already hooked on the game.

Personally I stopped playing the game right after one of the main characters was killed off. I only visit this thread periodically to see what others such as yourself think about the game.

What does still surprise me is on occasion I get a PM of someone trying to defend the game and the decision the dev made in the stories progression. But, whatever.

It still feels like what mass effect 3 did. Had a crap ton of choices but at a certain point no matter what you picked you were still left with choosing either A, B, or C for your ending essentially making the rest of the choices mean nothing. Exactly the same situation we are in now. If you really want to force kill off a main character...don't let the player choose it. Let is be the result of previous choices you made in the game, then it at least feels like your choices are shaping the story not just picking who lives and dies at a specific point.
 

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Don't like? Then leave instead of keep here bitching about how the Dev shoud have made the game following your "good taste" on gaming ideas instead of his own. :poop:
Just as easy to say, add something in conversation in stead of complain to people who have opinion do not like. Still not seeing many defense, not seeing much discussion with rebutting points made. In truth, the best talking about the game and defending recently comes from @RogueKnightUK who is actually one of the most outspeaking critics as well. Game has good points to it, arguments against the position that the twist is bad can be made I am surely believing.
 

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Just as easy to say, add something in conversation in stead of complain to people who have opinion do not like. Still not seeing many defense, not seeing much discussion with rebutting points made. In truth, the best talking about the game and defending recently comes from @RogueKnightUK who is actually one of the most outspeaking critics as well. Game has good points to it, arguments against the position that the twist is bad can be made I am surely believing.
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A few have said it could have been alluded to, or foreshadowed better, but without detailed explanation, only saying it could be done. And then there's the same argument you've lauded over, just because you didn't care much for a story that's still better than the vast majority of what's available here. "I didn't like it so it's garbage, now I'll nitpick at it and tell you that it's not as good as a blockbuster film." I suppose it could be called "critiquing", but definitely lacks construction on how to avoid the failures without compromising the effect it had for the majority.

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:rolleyes:
 
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A few have said it could have been alluded to, or foreshadowed better, but without detailed explanation, only saying it could be done. And then there's the same argument you've lauded over, just because you didn't care much for a story that's still better than the vast majority of what's available here. "I didn't like it so it's garbage, now I'll nitpick at it and tell you that it's not as good as a blockbuster film." I suppose it could be called "critiquing", but definitely lacks construction on how to avoid the failures without compromising the effect it had for the majority.

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Alluding to 2 entire episodes (I allude to even more, but thats not the point) is nitpicking. Nice.

You completely fail to see a very important point. WE dont have to tell anyone how it could have been avoided, we could if we wanted to, but it aint our job, its the authors.
 
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You completely fail to see a very important point. WE dont have to tell anyone how it could have been avoided, we could if we wanted to, but it aint our job, its the authors.
Lol, so you don't like the story (sounds less entitled). You enjoyed the rom-com portion, but now that the pieces have fallen into place, it's just not to your liking. Many of us knew something was going to happen to change the direction of the story, we just didn't know the exact time or scenario, which is as it should have been. It pulls at the heart strings when it's a surprise, but loses effect when it's blaringly obvious.
 

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Alluding to 2 entire episodes (I allude to even more, but thats not the point) is nitpicking. Nice.

You completely fail to see a very important point. WE dont have to tell anyone how it could have been avoided, we could if we wanted to, but it aint our job, its the authors.
To be fair, for most people, they'd be able to see that in giving examples of it handled better, we were showing exactly how it not only could be done, but has been done. But there are some personality types that are not good at handling abstract or analogy - to them, if it isn't actually a rewrite of AL, they simply can't understand how it applies. I honestly think Enyos may be that type, rather than deliberately trolling in the face of so many, many many repetitions of examples showing how it could have been done better.

Or, you could look at how he took single lines of my posts out of context (click through to see them in context and get a very different picture) while quoting the entirety of his own points and decide that he's just trolling. None but he can know for sure.

What is undeniable is that he hasn't once been able to counter the criticisms over the lack of depth of character to any villains (which is a core part of why their events don't set a darker tone) and continually just returns to claiming nobody has given the few dozen examples that have been given. But then, he's the same guy that posted over and over that nobody was dead after episode 6 and before episode 7, so it's not like being wrong is a new experience. ;)
 
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Lol, so you don't like the story (sounds less entitled). You enjoyed the rom-com portion, but now that the pieces have fallen into place, it's just not to your liking. Many of us knew something was going to happen to change the direction of the story, we just didn't know the exact time or scenario, which is as it should have been. It pulls at the heart strings when it's a surprise, but loses effect when it's blaringly obvious.
Alright, now I understand your entire problem. You still dont get that it pulls at absolutely nothing. Its a joke.

We go from a collection of real life problems that might be all together in a believable way in ones life (the robbery with the concussion as if being hit by a brick is the most out there, but its the trigger to the story so is pretty acceptable) to a shitshow of a dude entering your house, because locking doors is overrated, that tries to rape a girl inside, a fire out of nowhere, same dude getting shot by a cop or by the MC (if I am not mistaken), the MC obviously getting blamed for the shot even when it was the cop (Im surprised this actually had so little development), and a psycopath that has actually been following you since you were in the hospital, taking pictures of you, and going so far as to trying to kill your girlfriend to then kidnap you (which happens because you obviously follow her to her home even if you have shown below 0 interest in her).

If you dont see the escalation from a believable setting to a clown fiesta, I honestly dont know what to tell you.
 
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Or, you could look at how he took single lines of my posts out of context (click through to see them in context and get a very different picture) while quoting the entirety of his own points and decide that he's just trolling. None but he can know for sure.
Simply returning the favor. It surely shows that you've been beating the same dead horse for over a month now, while name calling those who disagree with you (as you still are). :)
What is undeniable is that he hasn't once been able to counter the criticisms over the lack of depth of character to any villains
So I guess that means you're down to one argument then? Wow! The villains that weren't the end antagonist had no depth, which led us to point the finger at them first?
But then, he's the same guy that posted over and over that nobody was dead after episode 6 and before episode 7
And I also said that my mind was searching for "what if" scenarios to counter the severity of what had transpired.
which happens because you obviously follow her to her home even if you have shown below 0 interest in her
The MC is on prescription sleeping pills, wanting an outlet and someone friendly to vent to. He had no reason to suspect her, since she had been nothing but nice towards us, and even started the whole thing by giving Megan's number to us.
If you dont see the escalation from a believable setting to a clown fiesta
Which might explain the setting for the 7th episode. Indeed, it was a real shitshow, and drove him over the edge, where one or 2 events may have been easier to put behind and just grieve.

I'm not claiming that everything is bullet proof, but by god you guys have a vendetta. This is still far better than 95%+ of the stories on F95. Why don't you go bother an engrish filled, incest, virgins tale thread. It'd make more sense. :rolleyes:
 
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