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Definkle

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This thing is really great. Like whoever I should be thanking for making this VN really did a great job. I love the story so much. IDK y but I really feel touched by it. To the point that I really want to watch a movie or series based on this. Damn.. I don't comment that often but damn this really made me do this. Thanks author or dev or whatever you're called.
 

TittyLuvr1334

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If you meticulously plan something you don't spend 6 hours building up character relationships to suddenly throw them away because of Truck-Kun.
Not sure that's a fair or even accurate statement. Ever follow The Walking Dead? Game of Thrones? Vikings? Deadwood? Sopranos?
 

TittyLuvr1334

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This is the only adult game that I choose to skip the sex scene just so I can carry on with the story.
Good job man.
#RiotIfLiamDies
Which if I'm defending the other side of the argument for a moment - only strengthens the points made that perhaps the "game" is not best suited as a adult/sex novel/game, and perhaps should be classified as something different.

It didn't bother me - i loved the story. I too found myself skipping some of the scene to get back to story. But again - that actually makes me better aware that those who feel betrayed with bait and switch do make valid point.
 
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TittyLuvr1334

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I have both praised and criticised the game. Because it has very good parts, and it has parts that could use a lot of improvement. But there are a noticeably loud and sizeable faction visible throughout the discussion that seem to believe anyone not absolutely and purely praising the game and it's author are either not understanding nuance and fine points, not being reasonable, or can't handle feelings. Sadly, they alone can't see the irony and hypocrisy in that.
Wanted to praise your post overall and say that I feel it was one of the best and most fair assessments overall.

The quoted part though I just wanted to touch on - that this is true in just about any/every binary debate that has two completely opposite views - that the other side is out of touch with reality: Democrat vs Republican (on every subject), was OJ guilty, Was Brutus a hero of Rome for killing Julius Caesar? is the Confederate Flag a symbol of racism? is kneeling at that National Anthem disrespectful? Should a cake-maker be forced to make cakes for gay weddings? Do the Patriots cheat every year? Any such subject with opposing views has one side belittling the other side and their rationale for their choices.

What I have found in my years is that both sides are equally wrong and right most of the time. The more extreme your view - the smaller the margin you allow yourself for error.

Great story IMO. Fun game and engaging. I am looking forward to the finale'. On the other hand, I'm not convinced that it belongs as a sex/adult novel game or at least have had an additional tag. It wouldn't have been as impactful though so I get why it was left out. It was due to the surprise twist that made it so powerfully shocking. But at least it would have been more transparent and honest to add such a tag. It didn't matter to me as much with the rug out from under me - but I didn't pay months worth of Patreon only to be 'betrayed'. I imagine if I had, I may have a different opinion leaning more towards feeling cheated. So I get why those who have paid all along would feel they got robbed. If one just pirated it - then you're only out your time of a few hours one spent reading it - no money - and perhaps being too critical from that perspective is unfair of the pirated viewer. Obviously I'm not advocating that one should be forced to like it or not be allowed the chance to opine disfavor - far from it - only suggesting that one be cognizant of it and have the comments, opinions and criticism reflect that. For those who like the story and twist, it may behoove us to remember that some people did invest months of money only to find it a bait and switch. So from that perspective heavy criticism is warranted. For those of us who really lost nothing - it's just not reasonable to be so hateful. That's how I see it.
 

TittyLuvr1334

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I think having a dark tale, even one that killed ALL of the love interests would be possible to do well, provided the story was told well, had the right tone for that purpose, etc. What is 'wrong', or at least what is fairly criticised, with the way this game did it handled the twist badly, or rather, the setup to the twist. You don't make a horror movie have a great twist by having it be "Little House on the Prairie" for the first 90 minutes and then have a "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" at the house in the last 30 minutes. It just doesn't work that way in being entertaining.
I got one for ya! From Dusk Till Dawn. If you never new anything about the movie - didn't see any spoilers, pictures, reviews etc - for 40 minutes you're watching "Reservoir Dogs" only to get a big WTF !????

Granted it still had a harsh dark yet campy tone to it - but certainly a big twist not unlike your comment.

I'm not comparing DrPink to Tarrantino. But I will say it was a similar shock.
 

micojive

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Not sure that's a fair or even accurate statement. Ever follow The Walking Dead? Game of Thrones? Vikings? Deadwood? Sopranos?
...you mean shows that devote entire seasons to characters before killing them off? That build backstory and motivations behind killing characters off? Are you seriously trying to compare the two right now?
 
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Matoyoshi

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So, I haven't finished the game yet(still working on it) and definitely haven't read the nearly 400 pages of this thread....but has anyone else realized that this game and Retrieving the Past are interconnected?

Edit: And now I probably won't finish the game. Sorry, can't make that choice. It was a great game up until that point. I would rather die trying to save both than live with the knowledge that one died because of my choice to save the other.
 

TittyLuvr1334

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WHATTAA .. just finished episode 6.. and someone is not happy..why did you do that. What now? Am I suppose to guilty fck her now for the rest of this game. I haven't chosen any of the choices and fck I don't want to. Pls add a third option to die together with them (right in the middle with my arms around them) and end this game.
you know - that would have been a great option at that point. Perhaps a remake would add that in - and with that choice you go to heaven/nirvanna/valhalla/insert other demi-plane of afterlife of your choice here - and then and ONLY then do you get the threesome with both girls.
 

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Are you seriously trying to compare the two ?
Your challenging tone in your question (assuming it wasn't rhetorical) makes me wonder if you somehow missed my prefaced: "Not sure that's a fair...."

I believed the quote I was replying to was incredulously saying that people dont spend a bunch of time on developing a character knowing full well they plan to kill them off. If I understood the point correctly that is. It's also possible that there was subtle sarcasm or some other nuance in the comment that I didn't quite grasp. If so i'll blame Mad Cow. Easier to swallow that than admitting i'm getting old and perhaps senile.

But I look at the way we fell in love w/ Ned Stark immediately - didn't last long. Or (regardless of historical accuracy) we didn't get a long time with Wild Bill Hickock in Deadwood - who was by far the coolest character when that show started. That was the point I was primarily making. Nonetheless these were characters designed and effort put in to them with full planning on having them killed off - early, too. So yeah sometimes effort and time is given solely for the reason/plan to kill them off.

Regardless - no, I would not classify my comment as "seriously"
 

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The quoted part though I just wanted to touch on - that this is true in just about any/every binary debate that has two completely opposite views - that the other side is out of touch with reality: Democrat vs Republican (on every subject), was OJ guilty, Was Brutus a hero of Rome for killing Julius Caesar? is the Confederate Flag a symbol of racism? is kneeling at that National Anthem disrespectful? Should a cake-maker be forced to make cakes for gay weddings? Do the Patriots cheat every year? Any such subject with opposing views has one side belittling the other side and their rationale for their choices.

What I have found in my years is that both sides are equally wrong and right most of the time. The more extreme your view - the smaller the margin you allow yourself for error.
This is right on and the game takes advantage of this. It's a great way to keep the interest up. Nothing like a "little" controversy to spark interest. ;)
 

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Your challenging tone in your question (assuming it wasn't rhetorical) makes me wonder if you somehow missed my prefaced: "Not sure that's a fair...."

I believed the quote I was replying to was incredulously saying that people dont spend a bunch of time on developing a character knowing full well they plan to kill them off. If I understood the point correctly that is. It's also possible that there was subtle sarcasm or some other nuance in the comment that I didn't quite grasp. If so i'll blame Mad Cow. Easier to swallow that than admitting i'm getting old and perhaps senile.

But I look at the way we fell in love w/ Ned Stark immediately - didn't last long. Or (regardless of historical accuracy) we didn't get a long time with Wild Bill Hickock in Deadwood - who was by far the coolest character when that show started. That was the point I was primarily making. Nonetheless these were characters designed and effort put in to them with full planning on having them killed off - early, too. So yeah sometimes effort and time is given solely for the reason/plan to kill them off.

Regardless - no, I would not classify my comment as "seriously"
Can you point to any foreshadowing at all that would point in the direction that happens at the end of ch6? The conflicts already established had been resolved, and the story was driving into the closing chapter where the culmination of choices you made was reaching its end. The author then throws away all the choices you made prior, forcing you to pick an outcome a la mass effect 3 which is just a slap in the face to the people following for the story. How can someone be expected to stay invested in characters or choices you make when they literally mean nothing in the "highest (or lowest)" point of the game.
 

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Can you point to any foreshadowing at all that would point in the direction that happens at the end of ch6? The conflicts already established had been resolved, and the story was driving into the closing chapter where the culmination of choices you made was reaching its end. The author then throws away all the choices you made prior, forcing you to pick an outcome a la mass effect 3 which is just a slap in the face to the people following for the story. How can someone be expected to stay invested in characters or choices you make when they literally mean nothing in the "highest (or lowest)" point of the game.
I dont think I can articulate exactly what it was about Leah that gave me pause - but a gut instinct told me she wasn't okay. I pushed those concerns down with denial - nah the writer is just lazy and she is just there to add to a harem - she's easy and wants to boff us because...well...its an adult novel who cares about verisimilitude. But encounter after encounter I felt something wasn't right. Then after MC made up with both babes and was ready to go, and had a nasty encounter with ex, and Liam's friendly advice warning that we are going to wind up in a mess just like our ex was like. I just had this sense of doom. I chalked it up to paranoia - pushed it away - but just had this strange feeling that something bad was going to happen. It was easy to assume Melissa's step-dad as he was the obvious scapegoat/patsy/red-herring. So the who was shocking - but then I remembered the way I felt when interacting with her and I realized that the writer wasn't lazy - the subtleties were there and I detected them, I just ignored them.

I must apologize though that while my references of shows where characters that we invested in were killed off for story development, it doesn't carry the same impact as say a story like this that is interactive and based on one's own choices - so i can see how this would be far more personal. That being said - things like that happen in life. My father died of a heart-attack 5 years ago. Yes he wasn't healthy - so that's a bit of a foreshadowing, but he was stable and healthy enough to be living a normal life. We went out to dinner as a family with my kids, dropped him off went home. Then got call 4 hours later from my mom. So not everything bad that happens is something foreseeable. I know you know this so I'm not trying to sound preachy. Those opposed to this concept argue that they dont want reality in their stories - that they come to stories like this to escape reality. That's a great point. I for one can handle some reality with my fiction. It makes it more...true I guess....that complete happy endings don't always happen. In the end it's a matter of taste. It's not wrong. It's not right. Kind like fake barbie doll tits vs small mosquito bite natural looking - Then there's some like me who love it all.

I think the story was great, I think the characters were great. I was shocked and grieved and was angry that someone i came to care for was taken away like that. But I also respect the creative direction and applaud it and accepted it. It wasn't wrong. It wasn't right. It was just art and the authors direction. If there's any criticism that I've read that I agree with was the idea that perhaps it was not fairly tagged or could have betrayed loyal patreons who paid him for several months by flipping the script so suddenly. I for one wasn't in that crowd so it would be unfair of me to opine from that perspective. I personally found it shocking but accepting having paid only one month (recently) for Patreon to have the privilege of playing it. And it was all worth my $5. (well now $10 cuz I really want the last chapter, too this month).
 

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I dont think I can articulate exactly what it was about Leah that gave me pause - but a gut instinct told me she wasn't okay. I pushed those concerns down with denial - nah the writer is just lazy and she is just there to add to a harem - she's easy and wants to boff us because...well...its an adult novel who cares about verisimilitude. But encounter after encounter I felt something wasn't right. Then after MC made up with both babes and was ready to go, and had a nasty encounter with ex, and Liam's friendly advice warning that we are going to wind up in a mess just like our ex was like. I just had this sense of doom. I chalked it up to paranoia - pushed it away - but just had this strange feeling that something bad was going to happen. It was easy to assume Melissa's step-dad as he was the obvious scapegoat/patsy/red-herring. So the who was shocking - but then I remembered the way I felt when interacting with her and I realized that the writer wasn't lazy - the subtleties were there and I detected them, I just ignored them.

I must apologize though that while my references of shows where characters that we invested in were killed off for story development, it doesn't carry the same impact as say a story like this that is interactive and based on one's own choices - so i can see how this would be far more personal. That being said - things like that happen in life. My father died of a heart-attack 5 years ago. Yes he wasn't healthy - so that's a bit of a foreshadowing, but he was stable and healthy enough to be living a normal life. We went out to dinner as a family with my kids, dropped him off went home. Then got call 4 hours later from my mom. So not everything bad that happens is something foreseeable. I know you know this so I'm not trying to sound preachy. Those opposed to this concept argue that they dont want reality in their stories - that they come to stories like this to escape reality. That's a great point. I for one can handle some reality with my fiction. It makes it more...true I guess....that complete happy endings don't always happen. In the end it's a matter of taste. It's not wrong. It's not right. Kind like fake barbie doll tits vs small mosquito bite natural looking - Then there's some like me who love it all.

I think the story was great, I think the characters were great. I was shocked and grieved and was angry that someone i came to care for was taken away like that. But I also respect the creative direction and applaud it and accepted it. It wasn't wrong. It wasn't right. It was just art and the authors direction. If there's any criticism that I've read that I agree with was the idea that perhaps it was not fairly tagged or could have betrayed loyal patreons who paid him for several months by flipping the script so suddenly. I for one wasn't in that crowd so it would be unfair of me to opine from that perspective. I personally found it shocking but accepting having paid only one month (recently) for Patreon to have the privilege of playing it. And it was all worth my $5. (well now $10 cuz I really want the last chapter, too this month).
It is funny when so many are praising game for real life when NO things like this do not happen in real life. Yes of course nurse that fall in love with patient is killer some time... but such an exception that work has to be in the game to make it not pulled out of an ass. If girl dies in car accident it is tragic, and I still think bad idea for story as it was told. But it is not insulting. Leah being crazy is set up... one part of the endings that was actually done correct. But that is all. Every other thing with Leah is bad, and says to players that they are too stupid to care to think.

This story, with Leah is not realistic. It is most forced thing ever seen in a game on this site. And this site has pornography games were mother fucks son and special injections make penis bigger.
 
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