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Just played it, and while it did affect me emotionally, intellectually I can also recognise how manipulative the writing is. DrPinkcake Leah'd all his players. It's a shame because I think it would have been a much better story and game without the fire. The tensions between the love interests should have been allowed to reach their own conclusions without bringing in the "if you had to choose one of your children from a fire" bullshit.
Yup. If you go and look at the support curves by patrons, shortly after the "fire" update was released DPC got noticed. It took a bit of time, but his support curve (and the release of his next game) just takes off. Without the strong emotional reaction and the attention if brought, that would not have happened.

Of course the "customer base" for these games has become much more sophisticated. Now killing a main LI without cause usually results in a heavy backlash. But DPC got there first, and the whole "choices have consequences" meme and his fan boys protected him.
 
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Of course the "customer base" for these games has become much more sophisticated. Now killing a main LI without cause usually results in a heavy backlash. But DPC got there first, and the whole "choices have consequences" meme and his fan boys protected him.
As if. People cry every time a story isn't pure wish fulfillment. Wouldn't call that sophisticated.
The problem is rather that I haven't seen a porn game dev, yet, who's equipped to offer anything sophisticated. And again, I don't believe the "customer base" would even want that, when for many of them shallow hollywoodesque drama is already enough to pee their pants and cry about it.
 
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As if. People cry every time a story isn't pure wish fulfillment. Wouldn't call that sophisticated.
The problem is rather that I haven't seen a porn game dev, yet, who's equipped to offer anything sophisticated. And again, I don't believe the "customer base" would even want that, when for many of them shallow hollywoodesque drama is already enough to pee their pants and cry about it.
If you look hard enough on both games of DPC you will see the ex-theme in both of them. As DPC once said most of the stories he writes he heard or seen IRL.
EX-theme is somewhat crucial in both of them. In this game it became one of endings, in BaDIK it will become.
Personally I think DPC experienced that hard relationship ending before and portrait it in both of his games. That's why it feels alive - it comes from IRL experience.
As far as I can see most of incest game devs never had siblings IRL, most of drama games devs never had real drama in his (her) lives. That's why these genres dying out - people who's trying to write it never experienced it IRL. They only have their dreams, but dreams often lies. The real live story always better then dreamed one.
 
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If you look hard enough on both games of DPC you will see the ex-theme in both of them. As DPC once said most of the stories he writes he heard or seen IRL.
EX-theme is somewhat crucial in both of them. In this game it became one of endings, in BaDIK it will become.
Personally I think DPC experienced that hard relationship ending before and portrait it in both of his games. That's why it feels alive - it comes from IRL experience.
As far as I can see most of incest game devs never had siblings IRL, most of drama games devs never had real drama in his (her) lives. That's why these genres dying out - people who's trying to write it never experienced it IRL. They only have their dreams, but dreams often lies. The real live story always better then dreamed one.
true that. some of us can relate more to it and feel it. feel the stuff from story / world. playing and seeing.
 

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I finished playing both girl routes.
I am curious who would you all consider the best girl Megan, Melissa or Rena and why?
 

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I finished playing both girl routes.
I am curious who would you all consider the best girl Megan, Melissa or Rena and why?
Depends on what you mean, but if were talking about my favourite then, Mel(guess my sig gives that away). I vibed with her character most, and think she was the best written.

'bout u?
 
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Depends on what you mean, but if were talking about my favourite then, Mel(guess my sig gives that away). I vibed with her character most, and think she was the best written.

'bout u?
I started and finished the story last night. Now today I gather my thoughts on this, Megan is good for the MC because their both similar in an emotional sense, and compassionate nature. While, Melissa fits more of his forward nature, and is just as emotionally broken as he is.
Now my opinion I loved both girls but I clicked with Melissa more and during the fire, I saved and then picked Melissa first and then Megan. I have to say Megan's death was more painful to sit thru than Melissa's. The MC and Melissa comforting each other without saying a word felt more powerful than Megan ending. Now Rena route I am not going back to do it, I do not think I handle breaking both girls hearts. Maybe I might do it in the future but not now.
 
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As if. People cry every time a story isn't pure wish fulfillment. Wouldn't call that sophisticated.
The problem is rather that I haven't seen a porn game dev, yet, who's equipped to offer anything sophisticated. And again, I don't believe the "customer base" would even want that, when for many of them shallow hollywoodesque drama is already enough to pee their pants and cry about it.
Nice deflection.
I note the fact that you didn't include my reference to the actual response of the fan base as sampled at the time.
There are many points I could make, but my original comment stands.
 

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I finished playing both girl routes.
I am curious who would you all consider the best girl Megan, Melissa or Rena and why?
The one you like the most, i guess.
I personally went for Megan. I'm not sure why. I was going to a more manslut approach at the beginning, but when i started realizing this wasn't that kind of game i rebooted with a monogamous route. But since you can't avoid interactions with Megan (a think i really despise in this games) i sticked with her i guess. At the 'decision' moment it felt like she was the one with the most to lose and i coulden't bring myself to chose the other option.

There are also other routes i believe.
 

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The one you like the most, i guess.
I personally went for Megan. I'm not sure why. I was going to a more manslut approach at the beginning, but when i started realizing this wasn't that kind of game i rebooted with a monogamous route. But since you can't avoid interactions with Megan (a think i really despise in this games) i sticked with her i guess. At the 'decision' moment it felt like she was the one with the most to lose and i coulden't bring myself to chose the other option.

There are also other routes i believe.
Yeah she does have more to lose her death was way more sad than Melissa. It's ten times worst if you had sex with The sluts, Rena or his ex. Melissa will say that you never loved them (If you had sex with Melissa and more it'll be love triangle turned threesome).

Each Megan or Melissa will break up with the MC if you cheated especially if you just had sex with Rena (without romancing her) & the ex. It hurts more with Megan because she dealt with that shit before, she's so angry that she cussing him out and blamed him for Melissa death for making Leah crazy by being a Cumslut. Melissa does the same but she wishes she never met the MC.
 

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I started and finished the story last night. Now today I gather my thoughts on this, Megan is good for the MC because their both similar in an emotional sense, and compassionate nature. While, Melissa fits more of his forward nature, and is just as emotionally broken as he is.
Now my opinion I loved both girls but I clicked with Melissa more and during the fire, I saved and then picked Melissa first and then Megan. I have to say Megan's death was more painful to sit thru than Melissa's. The MC and Melissa comforting each other without saying a word felt more powerful than Megan ending. Now Rena route I am not going back to do it, I do not think I handle breaking both girls hearts. Maybe I might do it in the future but not now.
My problem with Megan is that she feels like she was designed for the MC, as opposed to her own person. She's a Mary Sue, and as a result their relationship feels "too good to be true", all their problems were external as opposed to any internal ones. Even if you vibe with somebody really well, there's going to be bumps, maybe not big ones, but ones to at least give you a bit of pause(hell their biggest internal issue was whether Megan was ready to take a chance on their relationship or not). I think the Thrupple scenario with Melissa would have been perfect, it doesn't need to be a huge fight but it could be something that they do have to overcome, to finally get to that point where Megan say "okay i'm willing to try this out because i love you both", but nope she's just accepts it.

I do agree about Megan's death, one she had this great career, and relationship going for her, then you have the fact, that Megan was Melissa's rock, her soul-mate, she had a really shit life, and that was the one person who helped her get through it all, and now she's gone, not to demean Melissa's death or anything, but it definitely feels like the depth of pain is greater on that side. The "comforting scene" was also more powerful because of how real it felt. Most narratives like to use some melodramatic dialogue or moment to represent "healing", but DPC going for that approach shows how much he understands, how powerful simply having somebody there can be. Just knowing that there's somebody who understands what your going through, and is simply willing to be there without expecting anything else from you can be extremely comforting.
 

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My problem with Megan is that she feels like she was designed for the MC, as opposed to her own person. She's a Mary Sue, and as a result their relationship feels "too good to be true", all their problems were external as opposed to any internal ones. Even if you vibe with somebody really well, there's going to be bumps, maybe not big ones, but ones to at least give you a bit of pause(hell their biggest internal issue was whether Megan was ready to take a chance on their relationship or not). I think the Thrupple scenario with Melissa would have been perfect, it doesn't need to be a huge fight but it could be something that they do have to overcome, to finally get to that point where Megan say "okay i'm willing to try this out because i love you both", but nope she's just accepts it.

I do agree about Megan's death, one she had this great career, and relationship going for her, then you have the fact, that Megan was Melissa's rock, her soul-mate, she had a really shit life, and that was the one person who helped her get through it all, and now she's gone, not to demean Melissa's death or anything, but it definitely feels like the depth of pain is greater on that side. The "comforting scene" was also more powerful because of how real it felt. Most narratives like to use some melodramatic dialogue or moment to represent "healing", but DPC going for that approach shows how much he understands, how powerful simply having somebody there can be. Just knowing that there's somebody who understands what your going through, and is simply willing to be there without expecting anything else from you can be extremely comforting.
Yeah, the MC relationship with Melissa and Rena (I played her route last) felt more real, especially with both girls being somewhat emotionally damaged plus they both have daddy issues.

Also, I don't see the problem with Megan accepting the threesome relationship. She treated and knows Melissa and didn't want to lose her and the MC. The MC is in love with both works as well, personally, I feel like they work better with doing that than just dating Megan. Or Being with both girls and wanting Rena.

Another thing, I replayed it last night had sex with Anna, and told her I still love her but I also had sex with Rena while dating both girls. If you keep Megan alive and also escape from that crazy bitch. She told the MC You talked about how Anna broke you but in the end, you became just like her. I was like damn I was waiting for someone to call him on that as well but having Megan say it hurts a lot lol.

I was also surprised how Rena is cool with fucking many girls during her romance path. Because she finds out about MC fucking her friends (After the club or Beach) and his ex. She does call him out on it if you confront her lol I was so shocked. Including, Liam calling the MC out if you choose her over Megan or both girls.
 

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I don't want to play this 22 times. is there a post which includes these endings at list as a 2-3 sentenced summary? I searched but I was unable to find it.
 

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Yeah, the MC relationship with Melissa and Rena (I played her route last) felt more real, especially with both girls being somewhat emotionally damaged plus they both have daddy issues.

Also, I don't see the problem with Megan accepting the threesome relationship. She treated and knows Melissa and didn't want to lose her and the MC. The MC is in love with both works as well, personally, I feel like they work better with doing that than just dating Megan. Or Being with both girls and wanting Rena.

Another thing, I replayed it last night had sex with Anna, and told her I still love her but I also had sex with Rena while dating both girls. If you keep Megan alive and also escape from that crazy bitch. She told the MC You talked about how Anna broke you but in the end, you became just like her. I was like damn I was waiting for someone to call him on that as well but having Megan say it hurts a lot lol.

I was also surprised how Rena is cool with fucking many girls during her romance path. Because she finds out about MC fucking her friends (After the club or Beach) and his ex. She does call him out on it if you confront her lol I was so shocked. Including, Liam calling the MC out if you choose her over Megan or both girls.
It's not really about her accepting it, but rather how fast she accepted it. Any person in that situation would need some time to process, and even then it would be hard to totally see it from the POV of the other ppl. Dating multiple ppl, and fucking others at the same time is fine, your not exclusive, but it's common sense to not do it with a person's best friend. So even if it wasn't malicious, it's still going to take a person in Megan's situation some time to clearly see the picture. It would have been a good time to add some dynamism to her character, showing Megan doesn't always handle every situation perfectly, she's a human being with her own flaws but tries to do right by the ppl close to her.

Rena isnt' in much of a position to judge so she doesn't, but she does know that she doesn't want to be the type of person she has been, and so refuses Jonah if he seems like he'll take her down that path. Honeslty thought the Rena path could have been done better. Not a fan of you basically having to fuck her twice, then push for a relationship with her, as it goes against her own character development. Would have been better if she had a lust path and romance path, if you fuck her before the club scene then she's not interested, but if you hold back, but made the right dialogue choices with her, then she's interested. I do get it though DPC wrote himself into a corner with Megan being the main LI, so kind of had to work with it.


Didn't like Liam calling out the MC in that scene, felt too patronizing for my taste, like i get if he doesn't agree, but he straight up acts like he understands the MC better than he knows himself. Even worse, he talks about how Megan is "good for MC" but ignores the fact that Jonah is willing to pursue a relationship with a girl he's know for a few weeks over her, so does Jonah really half deep feelings for Megan as Liam thinks? probably not. Wouldn't be fair to Megan for him to be with her just because she's "good for him". It also felt invalidating from the POV of me as the player, like DPC yet again was trying really hard to force Megan down our throats, which begs the question, why give me the choice then?
 
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Excellent game. It's not simply an erotic narrative; it's a full-fledged dramatic story with only a few parts of 18+ material. Characters are so beautifully written that you feel very close to them, and the events of the game work very well for you as a result of that wonderful writing.
 
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