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Slappy Kinkaid

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Just out of interest, how many wives do you have
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TL;DR version, currently, 1 wife, 1 live in girlfriend / common law wife of sorts, 1 part time girlfriend that I see anywhere from a couple times a week to a couple times a month, (varies based on ours & her's & her fiance's schedule & how busy we all are), a "mom with benefits" & a casual GF in the next state over that I see when we can make time.

In total though, that, plus a possible second live in GF, depending on how things pan out over the next couple months, an undefined possible third in a couple years, depending on how that all plays out, & a handful of occasional hookups, from parties & times we go out to specific clubs, depending on whether you count those or not. If we're including metamours, (meaning my partners other partners, not to be mistaken for paramours, which are shared partners), My wife also has a boyfriend, & obviously you already know about the fiance of one of the girlfriends, the "mom with benefits" occasionally goes out on dates, but nothing ongoing, & the partner from the next state over has 3 other partners that I'm aware of, but that kind of fluctuates.
 

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I think Slappy/Demetrius will be exploring that angle as well for many of the paths. I believe Saruh was also hoping to show part of that such as the consequences and what happens to the various people involved in these kinds of relationships and how it's not the way it's typically portrayed in porn/the media. It isn't always BBC bull steals slut wife from emasculated husband and they live happily ever after the way the story has mostly gone so far with clearcut winners and loser. The way things have been depicted thus far is more playing into those tropes when in reality things would be quite messy for most of the people involved. I think one of the main things is Demetrius exploring the various ways things can crash and burn since a large part of the relationships in the game are based on spite, hatred, malice, jealousy etc. Negative emotions/feelings/motives are what drives the various relationships and that is a recipe for disaster and will have major consequences in the future.
Nailed it. That's pretty much what the direction will be for many of the paths. I mean yeah, I'll include some routes where it's the typical NTR, bully bull wins & poor cuck loses for the fans where that's what they want, even though, to me, even if that was your kink, it's been so overdone & is so cartoonish that frankly, I don't see the appeal. Like I've said on many other threads here, NTR can be a good plot device if used right, much like seasoning a steak with salt. But the way NTR is typically done, & the way a lot of the fans want it, i.e. Mark wins, Angelica becomes a wanton BBC slut, Henry loses, to me is like saying "Nah, fuck the steak, yeah... Just give me a big ol plate of salt" Yawn, snore, boring. So personally, I'm not a fan, but I know a lot of the fans are thirsty for it, so it will still be in there. Your welcome ya degenerates. XD.

But yeah, the other paths will be exactly as you stated. It's less like an overdone fantasy & more like the euphoria of a budding Heroin addiction as it sinks it's claws in before it drags the user into a living hell.

So in short, on the paths where things go bad for Henry & good for Mark, Those paths will split again to ones where things may or may not get better for Henry, but definitely will go bad for Mark. VERY bad. I wont spoil much, but I will say this. For any fans of Melinda, don't get too attached. Likewise for any fans of Henry's dad. For those I've already shared spoilers with, if you know, then you know. On some routes, this ride is going to get fucking DARK. Some of it stuff that even Saruh was like "Man, that's fucking twisted". Though, I've also balanced it out with a good amount of routes where the various cast can find redemption & even a happy ending of sorts too.

Demitrius p: Don't stress too much about timelines or delays or whatnot. At the end of the day the fact it isn't abandoned should be enough to satisfy people imo.
Also sorry if this has been answered already but will the updates follow Saruh's method of updating one path at a time or will it be multiple paths/one path taken to it's end?
Can't wait to see what you have in store for the second half of the game and the various paths.
Hoping for some satisfying conclusions and people getting what they deserve to wrap things up :D
I appreciate that. Thanks man. To answer your question, I'm planning to wrap up one to 2 paths per update. On this one I'm working on now, I'm wrapping up the cuckqueen path, I'll likely do the lesbian paths all in one update, same for the Mark love & the Harem routes, so it will either be 1 or 2 paths wrapping up per update, then I'll release some extra content at the end, like a DLC of sorts. The reason being is I made a bunch of new characters to help kinda work through the DAZ learning curves, but for at least half of them, I don't really have any natural or reasonable way to work them into the story. Openings might pop up & if they do, I'll toss them in, but they are mainly Stumpy's circle of people. So I might just do an add on at the end with a week or 2 in the life of Stumpy & use that as a vehicle to write a small story there & use that to cram in a bunch of sex scenes with him & the people in his life, (which might include a few characters from Angelica's circle too, again though, spoilers).

Though I'm not sure whether that add on will be allowed here or not. Not only will it include some incest content, but also some potentially borderline rule 7 content. See, between 2 of his partners, Stumpy has a lot of kids. Most of the characters are over 18, including over half of his kids, but he has 3 other daughters & a son that are 17, 16, 14 & the son is 15 respectively. Now to be clear, just so people don't get the wrong idea, For me, I personally think the age of adulthood should be at least 22, because that's closer to when the prefrontal cortex finishes developing & the cognitive gap between 18 to 25 is MASSIVELY larger than the cognitive gap between 14 to 18, which is almost non existent by comparison. However, here in the US, 18 is considered the age of adulthood, Even though they are hardly closer to mentally being adults at 18 than they are at say 15. In other countries, I know it's even younger. So, I figure, since that's the baseline we're going with, it hardly seems to matter anyway, so fuck it. I'll go ahead & make scenes with the 16 & 17 year olds too, especially since inevitably there will be fans that want to see content with them. Though I'm still on the fence about the younger 2. I mean, I get that it's all fantasy & none of it really matters anyway, but keep in mind, I don't date any younger than 22, usually I try to keep it above 25. So going as young as 16 is a huge stretch for me as it is. I suppose I'll wait & see if there's fans that want to see content with the younger 2 & go from there. Either way, it might be one of those that will have to be on Discord or another site for the add on at the end.
 

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I've already answered this question numerous times, I'm LITERALLY working on renders right now while also working my regular job, If you can't be bothered to read any of the prior update posts I've made here, on Patreon or in the discord, then I dunno what to tell ya pal.

Sorry if that comes across harsh, That's not my intention, it's just a bit frustrating sometimes. I mean I get it, most creators on here are in it to make a buck. I don't really care that much about all that, I'm only working on this because Saruh asked me to & I gave him my word I'd get it finished. What I signed up for was writing the script & coding it into Renpy, & I had others on my team that I outsourced the renders & other work to. Well they couldn't do it, so now I'm doing the whole job myself. I'm not a professional game developer, I'm not looking to make this my career, I'm a writer with some python skills that is finishing this because I gave my friend my word that I would. I've never done 3D modeling & done anything with DAZ or Blender before, so I had to learn those instantly. Additionally, I'm not someone that has the time to spend all day, every day working on this thing. I have a full time job, I have other projects that require some time too, I have a wife, kids, & a handful of other partners that also want time with me too. I had to cancel plans with one of them & reschedule for Friday just a few days ago to get work done on this game. So you have to understand, I can't just work all day, every day on this. I do work on it daily, but I also have to make time for my other priorities too.

So please try to understand, I get there hasn't been an update since like October, I understand that it had been 4 months since the last update before Saruh even asked me to take over, & I understand you all have been waiting now for 2 & a half month's after I took over.

What you guys need to understand though is, I'm not a guy that's working on this full time as a source of income. I'm a guy with a very busy life that is working on this 2 to 4 hours a day, as time permits, because I gave the original creator my word that I'd finish it. So I'm volunteering my valuable time & effort to fulfill that promise. The update will take as long as it takes. I'll have a more clear answer as to when it will be released once I get closer to being finished with these renders. Currently, I'm working through a pretty steep learning curve with DAZ, so it will take some time. But I'm putting in time daily, so be patient. It really get's under my skin when people ask "Y da update taking so long?" When I'm investing so much of my time & effort for what basically amounts to doing a favor for the original creator. So, I'm sorry if I seem curt, but put yourself in my shoes. Imagine if you were doing some people a favor & they started getting demanding or impatient that you're not putting yourself out for them fast enough. Know what I mean? Sorry, I'm a bit hyper-sensitive about that kind of thing.
thx dude, dont listen to the ppl that want it yesterday, im sure they never gave $1 to the game dev.
 
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There's such a dizzying variety of available story routes that I'm just amazed someone has the willpower and determination to pick up where another lead designer left off. It's like replacing your quarterback at halftime in the playoffs. Not surprised that it's taking a while to get things moving again. Godspeed.
 
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What's is happening with this game?
the game was great and updated constantly in the 2021... and now?
How about Saruh?
 
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Slappy Kinkaid

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Ok I'm not going to be so nice with this post, because I'm getting tired of repeating myself.

so...... when can we expect the next update?
When you learn to read. This question has already ben answered many many many many many many many many many many many many times. If you can't be bothered to make the very basic, simple effort of reading any of the numerous posts addressing this question, this is really the only response you'll get. Not trying to be a dick, I ain't got anything against you personally, I'm just tired to answering these questions again & again & again & again & again only for some other jackass to come along & basically say "I'm too lazy to read, answer the question again". No, you'll just get told not to be lazy & dumb. Sorry.
2023 probably.
HA HA! Funny, no most likely, it will take a couple months, but if you're that impatient, feel free to move on to something else. By the way, How's the progress coming on your own game? Remember, I challenged you to make your own production since you seem to think that it's so easy to crank these things out at decent quality overnight. Got the script written yet? Any renders to show? Got anything to show yet, proving how fast you can do it, other than pissy, self entitled complaints about how you're not getting your free fap material fast enough for your liking? If not, then, with all due respect, shut the fuck up. This is a project MUCH larger in scope than most in this demographic, with pretty high production value. Learning how to create content at the expected quality takes time. Creating content that matches the expected quality takes time. there's over 20k lines of new text in the game, that's going to require a lot of new renders, at least 200 to 1k. Not to mention, I have a pretty damn busy fucking life. So if it takes a couple months, then it takes a couple months. If it takes until 2023, then it takes until 20 fucking 23. Most of the fans understand that & understand that being patient for the job to get done properly so that they get a QUALITY update is FAR preferable to a rushed, half assed job. If you can't grasp that, that's a you issue dude. Not trying to attack you personally dude, but come the fuck on. I never had any interest or intention of making these kinds of games. However I was asked to do it by my friend, so I'm doing it. &, to me, anything worth doing is worth doing right & doing well. This is eating up a considerable chunk of my time & energy that frankly, I'd rather be investing on other things. But I'm a man of my word, so I fulfill it, even if it kills me. Most of the fans understand & respect that. If you don't, then no one's making you stay here. Feel free to see yourself out.

Now, having said all that, If you recall from my first posts here, after I took over the game, I said I'd finish it, even if it was just the text of the game. So I tell you what. The actual script for the game has already been written & coded into renpy for a couple months now. If you want just the text version, by all means, Feel free to say so, & I'll upload the next text update TONIGHT. Hell, I could crank out the entire remainder of the game within the next 2 or 3 weeks if we're cutting out the renders, so by all means, if you just want the text of the story & don't mind a black screen behind it, Speak up & I'll post that. But if you want renders to go with it, shut up & be patient. Understood?
What's is happening with this game?
the game was great and updated constantly in the 2021... and now?
How about Saruh?
Again, this question has been answered at least half a dozen times in the 1 to 2 pages prior to this, PLUS on the discord & patreon. With all due respect, why are you posting this question instead of making the minimal effort to read what was posted already? If you did bother reading, you'd already know exactly what's going on. Again, nothing against you, but I think you'd have to agree, that's a valid question.
oooohhh noooo! what a pity! :eek: it is a tragedy
It's a pity & a tragedy? :FacePalm:
Ok, let me make this as simple as I can for you. If I DIDN'T take the game over, you do understand that Saruh wouldn't still be here making it right? I mean you do realize that the whole REASON WHY he asked me to finish it was because he was no longer willing & able to do so right? That means that if I didn't take it over, the game would just be abandoned. So instead of waiting for me to continue with the next update on my time, you'd be waiting forever for nothing because no one would be working on it. You do understand that right? Would the game being abandoned somehow be preferable to you? I think to most people, the game being continued at all, even if it's at a slower pace, is preferable to it being completely abandoned, but since you think it's a pity & a tragedy, can you explain why you feel that is?
 

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but since you think it's a pity & a tragedy, can you explain why you feel that is?
Just because the game was updated every month or so and now 6 months are gone without updates!
I hope this answer has clarified you why I think this is a tragedy ... in any case at the moment the tragedy is only connected to the delay in the release of a new update ...

Only when finally your new update of the great Angelica's Temptation story will be out I will be able to be more precise about that statement.. because I love this story as is!

it is a tragedy and a pity the big delay and also for Saruh that was not able to complete this great story!

I hope the game will remain with the same spirit without adding new useless side characters disconnected from Angelica's life
.. because I'm interested only in Angelica Temptations that is the protagonist this story.

I'm downloading this latest Saruh version and I will never delete it. (I also think that the story was near to be completed and the game is fully enjoyable as is).
 
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For those of you that find it too hard to go back and get answers for yourself here's a synopsis of what has gone on for roughly the last year and a half.

Slappy has be a collaborator with Saruh for well over a year now. He helped craft the story with Saruh and isn't just some guy randomly taking over. Some time after Saruh completed the last path update he asked Slappy to take over the project so it would be completed instead of being abandoned. Saruh chose him to do it snd fully endorsed the direction Slappy will be taking the game. Everything that Saruh wrote will still be included in the future updates as well as added content from Slappy to bring the paths to an end. Will there be additional characters yes but they are required for the story and have been approved/endorsed by Saruh.

Now to the production side of things. Since Slappy took over the project there have been roadblocks. Originally he had a team to help him with the rendering of images. Slappy's expertise is in writing/coding which has been completely finished. However due to unforseen complications the team that was going to be supporting him in production fell through and he was left on his own to produce everything. Instead of giving up he took the bull by the horns and went a learned how to render in Daz and is doing everything himself on less than ideal equipment yet is still getting it done even if it's at a slower pace then most would prefer. Learning how to produce content on par with what Saruh previously did was not going to be an overnight thing. Saruh had been developing/rendering for years. Case in point go back and play Angelica's Temptations compared to his reboot which we are discussing here. That level of quality takes time.

So long story short the game lives on as a favor from Slappy to Saruh. Updates will come but at a slower pace then some would want. But he is doing it right and will not lower the quality just to appease the masses. The fact we are getting anything at all is better than the alternative. So please remember that and relax. This isn't Slappy's job, it's him being a good guy for a friend. Don't anger him to the point that it isn't worth the headache/frustration where he just posts the black screen with the story and says fuck it I'm out.

Thank you Slappy for all you are doing and i for one am patiently waiting for the continuation whenever it is ready.
 

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For those of you that find it too hard to go back and get answers for yourself here's a synopsis of what has gone on for roughly the last year and a half.

Slappy has be a collaborator with Saruh for well over a year now. He helped craft the story with Saruh and isn't just some guy randomly taking over. Some time after Saruh completed the last path update he asked Slappy to take over the project so it would be completed instead of being abandoned. Saruh chose him to do it snd fully endorsed the direction Slappy will be taking the game. Everything that Saruh wrote will still be included in the future updates as well as added content from Slappy to bring the paths to an end. Will there be additional characters yes but they are required for the story and have been approved/endorsed by Saruh.

Now to the production side of things. Since Slappy took over the project there have been roadblocks. Originally he had a team to help him with the rendering of images. Slappy's expertise is in writing/coding which has been completely finished. However due to unforseen complications the team that was going to be supporting him in production fell through and he was left on his own to produce everything. Instead of giving up he took the bull by the horns and went a learned how to render in Daz and is doing everything himself on less than ideal equipment yet is still getting it done even if it's at a slower pace then most would prefer. Learning how to produce content on par with what Saruh previously did was not going to be an overnight thing. Saruh had been developing/rendering for years. Case in point go back and play Angelica's Temptations compared to his reboot which we are discussing here. That level of quality takes time.

So long story short the game lives on as a favor from Slappy to Saruh. Updates will come but at a slower pace then some would want. But he is doing it right and will not lower the quality just to appease the masses. The fact we are getting anything at all is better than the alternative. So please remember that and relax. This isn't Slappy's job, it's him being a good guy for a friend. Don't anger him to the point that it isn't worth the headache/frustration where he just posts the black screen with the story and says fuck it I'm out.

Thank you Slappy for all you are doing and i for one am patiently waiting for the continuation whenever it is ready.
Damn, I haven't even played this game (was checking on my old F95 bookmarks) but huge respect to you man! To do that and tolerate all that. Thanks for all your work Mr.Slappy. :)
 

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thx dude, dont listen to the ppl that want it yesterday, im sure they never gave $1 to the game dev.
There's such a dizzying variety of available story routes that I'm just amazed someone has the willpower and determination to pick up where another lead designer left off. It's like replacing your quarterback at halftime in the playoffs. Not surprised that it's taking a while to get things moving again. Godspeed.
Saruh gave the project to someone else and he does not have as much to spend on it as suruh did
It'll be ready when it's ready, thanks for the work you're putting in Demitrius. :)
For those of you that find it too hard to go back and get answers for yourself here's a synopsis of what has gone on for roughly the last year and a half.

Slappy has be a collaborator with Saruh for well over a year now. He helped craft the story with Saruh and isn't just some guy randomly taking over. Some time after Saruh completed the last path update he asked Slappy to take over the project so it would be completed instead of being abandoned. Saruh chose him to do it snd fully endorsed the direction Slappy will be taking the game. Everything that Saruh wrote will still be included in the future updates as well as added content from Slappy to bring the paths to an end. Will there be additional characters yes but they are required for the story and have been approved/endorsed by Saruh.

Now to the production side of things. Since Slappy took over the project there have been roadblocks. Originally he had a team to help him with the rendering of images. Slappy's expertise is in writing/coding which has been completely finished. However due to unforseen complications the team that was going to be supporting him in production fell through and he was left on his own to produce everything. Instead of giving up he took the bull by the horns and went a learned how to render in Daz and is doing everything himself on less than ideal equipment yet is still getting it done even if it's at a slower pace then most would prefer. Learning how to produce content on par with what Saruh previously did was not going to be an overnight thing. Saruh had been developing/rendering for years. Case in point go back and play Angelica's Temptations compared to his reboot which we are discussing here. That level of quality takes time.

So long story short the game lives on as a favor from Slappy to Saruh. Updates will come but at a slower pace then some would want. But he is doing it right and will not lower the quality just to appease the masses. The fact we are getting anything at all is better than the alternative. So please remember that and relax. This isn't Slappy's job, it's him being a good guy for a friend. Don't anger him to the point that it isn't worth the headache/frustration where he just posts the black screen with the story and says fuck it I'm out.

Thank you Slappy for all you are doing and i for one am patiently waiting for the continuation whenever it is ready.
Damn, I haven't even played this game (was checking on my old F95 bookmarks) but huge respect to you man! To do that and tolerate all that. Thanks for all your work Mr.Slappy. :)
Thanks for the support guys. I'm glad there are fans that are more objective & patient. You guys are the real MVPs.
 

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Just because the game was updated every month or so and now 6 months are gone without updates!
I hope this answer has clarified you why I think this is a tragedy ... in any case at the moment the tragedy is only connected to the delay in the release of a new update ...

Only when finally your new update of the great Angelica's Temptation story will be out I will be able to be more precise about that statement.. because I love this story as is!

it is a tragedy and a pity the big delay and also for Saruh that was not able to complete this great story!
That's actually valid. Ok, fair enough, Yeah I get what you mean. I tried convincing him to stick with it & finish it, but he was pretty adamant, it's either I finish it, or it sits abandoned. So it is what it is, know what I mean?
I hope the game will remain with the same spirit without adding new useless side characters disconnected from Angelica's life
Well, this is actually part of my frustration. If you had taken the time to read any of mine or rhcp725's posts, you'd already understand that there are going to be new characters, Though they aren't pointless or disconnected really, as, again as previously stated many times, while a lot of the new content coming might be new to YOU guys, almost all of it was stuff Saruh & I have discussed & planned at considerable length for a long time. For example, you might presume Stumpy to just be a new character that I decided to add to put my own spin on some routes, but in fact, we spent months crafting that character before he even decided to hand the game off. Initially we were planning on making an alternate version of Henry as a Deus Ex Machina type character, returning to the routes he's in after dying in another route, but that one was a bit too out there & fiddly to make work, so we replaced that with Stumpy. As for why Stumpy is crafted the way he is, it's because he wanted to do a semi biographical themed game about me, so this seemed like a logical alternative, plus a way to do a soft introduction of the character for if & when that other game is made. There's a lot of planning & discussion that went into all the content going in from both myself & Saruh.

So yeah, there's new characters, yeah on some paths, there will be some pretty sharp turns, but before you go thinking "No! Slappy is changing the story from what it was!", Nope. 95% of the content you'll be seeing is stuff Saruh & I already discussed & planned out while he was still making the game. So even if he was still at the helm, the same content would be in it, including the new characters.
 

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Just to add some clarity on some things about this game btw, a lot of people have their perceptions of what they believe this game is, or what the story is supposed to be. Back when Saruh said he was "Taking this NTR thing to the next level", That doesn't mean what a lot of the fan's may THINK it means. Originally, the goal wasn't to make it an NTR fantasy fap piece. Sure, there are parts of it that DO fit that bill, but the overall arc of the story was intended to be more like the cycle of an addict, Starting out as euphoric dream of heavenly bliss, before descending into abject Hellish nightmare of desolation. You ever seen that movie "Very bad things"? It's kind of like that. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. So the original plan with the story was to have 2 or 3 good endings, (obviously on the more vanilla paths), & all the rest ends in tragedy. In almost all of the original planned endings, Mark ends up either dead or in prison, Angelica & Aria end up either dead, strung out, or otherwise severely regretting their choices, etc... Towards the end, the original game concept was supposed to be the downward spiral of their depravity.

Now, back around 4 or 5 updates ago, he & I got into a pretty lengthy discussion where I was trying to impress upon him that he needs to balance it out more, with a more balance mix of good and bad outcomes. If it's ALL good, or ALL bad, then it loses all meaning. Like if you knew you were invincible & couldn't die or feel pain, you might be inclined to try jumping off a skyscraper. But there'd be no thrill because it's the possibility of death or injury that creates the thrill in things like bungee jumping right? So without light, darkness has no meaning, likewise the same goes for light without darkness. Without the other as a counter balance, they have no meaning or weight, they are just baseline normal. Death gives life meaning, Life gives death meaning, etc... Which is why there was a gradual shift in tone over time.

I bring this up because inevitably, a lot of you will see the more dark routes where things go bad for angelica or mark etc... && might start thinking "nooo, Slappy is changing it." No, not really, Saruh's original plan was to make 99% of it like that. Just for some context.
 

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By the way, posted a series of renders of some of the new characters in the game on the discord. Only about 4 or 5 of them will appear in the game at this point, but I needed to work through the learning curves, so I made a bunch of characters. The rest may or may not be used, time will tell.
 

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Up to this point i would say Mark has only had victories since the prolog. Yes he lost his sister and lost Angie to Henry in the prolog but if you hit skip when starting the game he comes off as invincible.
 

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just wanted to ask bc im a bit confused, is the next update going to be a finale update, as in the game is done or is it a partial update, there will be another update afterwards? thanks :)
 
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