Thickgravy49

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The fundamental understanding is wrong. Devs don't receive "payments" it is support/donations from people. In return some devs are willing to return the favor by sharing "beta" releases aka early-access to their supporters. Keep in mind they don't need to do that, they could release single renders or be quiet for 5+ years and hopefully release something then - no guaranty (see Gumdrop)!

I'm not a supporter of Deepsleep or any other dev out there. Supporting a dev with $1 - $5 per month is acceptable, everything above that is ridiculous imo, because the amount of money per update or development time isn't equal in terms of what you get in return.

As soon as the game has been officially published online to buy in a store for $20 - $30 it would be a fair price for me.

About piracy: I would be a hypocrite if I say it is piracy's fault for dev's low numbers of supporters, but it isn't always the case. Thanks to Unity's Analytics tool I know that approximate 90 to 100 thousand people worldwide play a certain game, even more for popular games as Milfy City, Summertime Saga etc. If every single player would donate a single buck as soon as they download the game a dev could easily survive. A buck per update looks reasonable compare to $25+ monthly. This way a dev still could renew his rig and maybe hire people for doing other tasks.

But even then, people would demand faster updates with more numbers of renders and animation and still would complain about "small" updates. They think it is enough to have a powerful rig to render, but it isn't! Render time isn't an issue at all, post-production is! Means, doing all the shitty work with Photoshop. And yes, many "successful" devs don't do that in their games (looking at you WVM - [Braindrop]).

Because of all of that I started to avoid playing update by update and pushed games further and further behind. Now I'm less "addicted" to games and updates as when I was waiting for each update - also, assist other game developer helped to get a better understanding how development (coding, render creating, etc.) works "behind the scene".

Sorry for the wall of text.. I simply wanted to get something off my chest which isn't directly pointed to you personally. :)
No problem, Cold.
I've no beef with you, or anything you've posted there.
But, still, I disagree.
Let's just leave it there, shall we?;)
 

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The answer to all this has long been given. Read what crowdfunding is.




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I know what crowdfunding is, but thanks for putting it in BIG letters for me, anyway.
 
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Ayame#1Fan

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That's your interpretation of it.
I see it differently.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
No, that's the dictionary's definition of it by any dictionary in any language. So a donation by definition is not a purchase, it's charity. Not my interpretation.
 

Ric

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I know what crowdfunding is, but thanks for putting it in BIG letters for me, anyway.
you are welcome
If you know everything, what is the point of discussing it. This system works, the author uses it. Power is only those who are willing to pay. As long as people pay everything will go on. It may like, may not like it, but it is and you just have to accept it. It’s even more pointless to discuss “what people pay for” on a pirate site, where by definition everyone wants to get everything for free. Any arguments for and arguments against do not matter on this forum...
 

Pogo123

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Why say always Sunday so he thinks „yeah why not release it on Sunday“...
he said on discord not Wednesday and not Thursday still time left before your guys Sunday.

And yeah 1000 patreons maybe some special will come or something maybe he will make updates bigger or earlier haha
 

Pogo123

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He said this week release and yet he releases it on Sunday. Well some guys really were right. Congrats to them. But it’s a bit strange... even I would give him more time he really said now the 3rd time it gets delayed even after teasering and calling dates.
Deep really should get a step back and tell us the release when he is 95% done. It’s not only good for us, it’s also better for him.

well Sunday then xD hopefully this time fortune and destiny are with us...
 

Thickgravy49

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you are welcome
If you know everything, what is the point of discussing it. This system works, the author uses it. Power is only those who are willing to pay. As long as people pay everything will go on. It may like, may not like it, but it is and you just have to accept it. It’s even more pointless to discuss “what people pay for” on a pirate site, where by definition everyone wants to get everything for free. Any arguments for and arguments against do not matter on this forum...
What's that all about?
Show me where I've said I know EVERYTHING.
I said that I know what CROWDFUNDING is, not that I know everything.
So what are you talking about?
 

Thickgravy49

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No, that's the dictionary's definition of it by any dictionary in any language. So a donation by definition is not a purchase, it's charity. Not my interpretation.
Charity? WTF?
None of these dev's(including Deep) are charitys.
That's just totally ridiculous, imo.
They're getting paid to do this. In some cases, they get paid extremely well.
You're just being silly, now.
 

Ayame#1Fan

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Charity? WTF?
None of these dev's(including Deep) are charitys.
That's just totally ridiculous, imo.
They're getting paid to do this. In some cases, they get paid extremely well.
You're just being silly, now.
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Especially but not limited to, charity. FREE contribution. They aren't charity, but they aren't selling goods, if you don't support them they can't work on the game. There's a need for donations and while it may not be considered charity since the "need" for the money is subjective by humanitarian standards, it is no doubt a donation. FREE contribution.

You don't have to contribute and if you don't like where the money is going you might cease the donations, but I don't think you really understand what a donation is. You're being pedantic for the sake of helping your reasoning.

You can be pedantic with charity despite some broke people needing help to support themselves while they work on their game. I accept that. You can't however misrepresent what the word donation means. It's not open for interpretation. There's a definition for it.
 

Ric

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What's that all about?
Show me where I've said I know EVERYTHING.
I said that I know what CROWDFUNDING is, not that I know everything.
So what are you talking about?
I did not think that you need to remind the essence of the conversation. Reread your posts and my posts . You started a conversation about "...You've got guys producing a product and accepting payment, yet they say they're not selling anything..."
Then you said that "I know what crowdfunding is, but thanks for putting it in BIG letters for me"
If it’s hard for you to understand what “If you know everything” means in a discussion. This is about crowdfunding. The whole phrase would have sounded like "If you know everything about crowdfunding"
But since this topic is about the game and not about the methods of its production, and especially not about the money collection system, this discussion was initially excess here, and, given the latest posts, it was simply prolonged.
People have the right to spend money as they wish. The author has the right to do his work as he sees fit. And while people are ready to pay him, he is doing everything right. According to the crowdfunding system, the author of this game communicates much more with patrons than some other authors. And the product has a quality that not everyone can brag about.
If something does not suit you, then write a complaint to patreon. In this topic , complaining about how others spend their money is a waste of time.
For some reason, in every topic with a normal game during a period of a slight delay, people appear who have not paid anything but who have requirements like a patrons of the highest level...
 

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What's the difference?
If money's changing hands, it's a transaction.
Sorry, Goob, but I'm just not buying it(no pun intended).
The difference is a patron is paying him to create stuff, not paying for the creation. It's a subtle, but important, distinction.

"Here's some money, go work on your art" vs "here's some money, give me an update".

And you don't have to buy (!) it; we're allowed to have different opinions! :)
 
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