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Slick Bean

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the tag Netorare is included for a reason
How do we get the new jason and stepf scene ?
NTR haters hating on NTR threads
We all know there are different paths with different scenes,
but some get pissed they are not getting the scenes they game for.
Every couple a points of confidence added or retracted might get you different scenes.
Some players get that scene and are not looking for it.
Some players are looking for it and do not get it.

EDIT = Best way to Trigger Jason/Steph scenes.
The new game scene ending in sex for Steph and MC with Tori sticking her boobs in is for dom 4 and dom 5. If you are dom 0-3 you will get the updated Jason/Steph scene. To get the higher dom, you need to finish Saturday night with High Confidence.
 

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Holy fuck some of you are DENSE, the tag Netorare is included for a reason :ROFLMAO: Hate on it all you want, but let the dev continue with their own vision of the game :)
Some tags were added after 1.06, NTR was one of them. That scene has since been changed as it was ambiguous. The game was not meant to be NTR according to the devs. The tags haven't been updated and that tag no longer belongs there. Before you accuse me of being an NTR hater, I actually like some NTR scenarios I dislike others. I'm just passing on the facts as I know them.
 

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Some of you may get something out of this excerpt the dev posted yesterday in response to someone (nothing to do with me).



I'm not saying that the next update will magically answer your question. I'm saying it has to be on the table before I can give you a good answer because all of this has to do with Steph's primary motivation. I want the story to have that emotional quality you are talking about, but until I give everyone the "Oh, now I get it." moment . . . ya, you caught me, I'm playing it safe until I have it.

I will say this - I don't want the MC to feel he was fooled (At least not in the way everyone is thinking), but I do want him to feel he got in over his head if on the low confidence path. I want Steph to take him at his word when he says "Open Marriage." If he has high confidence, she conforms to him and if it is low, she does what she wants but still within the realm of what they have agreed to do.
 
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what is confidence for? does it mean if your con is low you get cucked? it seems everything is consensual
 

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what is confidence for? does it mean if your con is low you get cucked? it seems everything is consensual
There are three confidence paths, High, Medium and Low. Confidence determines how Steph treats the MC/player and how others respond to you some times. In saying that I found the devs idea of confidence and mine are some times completely different things. So just be aware. I suggest Asahibito's walkthrough mod to highlight the choices.

Low confidence did mean you got cucked but the game was reviewed and the devs decided to change that path and get rid of it. Steph won't cheat on you but she will be a bitch to you and more slutty with guys I think. I prefer the High Confidence path so I haven't really kept up with the Low Confidence path.
 
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Some of you may get something out of this excerpt the dev posted yesterday in response to someone (nothing to do with me).



I'm not saying that the next update will magically answer your question. I'm saying it has to be on the table before I can give you a good answer because all of this has to do with Steph's primary motivation. I want the story to have that emotional quality you are talking about, but until I give everyone the "Oh, now I get it." moment . . . ya, you caught me, I'm playing it safe until I have it.

I will say this - I don't want the MC to feel he was fooled (At least not in the way everyone is thinking), but I do want him to feel he got in over his head if on the low confidence path. I want Steph to take him at his word when he says "Open Marriage." If he has high confidence, she conforms to him and if it is low, she does what she wants but still within the realm of what they have agreed to do.
I got the impression that the author has a little chaos in his head. There was a wonderful Konstantin Stanislavsky - Russian and Soviet theater director, actor, teacher, theorist, theater reformer. "I do not believe!" - a phrase that became legendary, he uttered it when the actors played poorly. “Bad” means what the actors did on stage did not match the atmosphere they created. This game has the same problem.
The author needs a good editor. Many seemingly different dialogues lead to the same result. For this reason they seem meaningless. The player feels that he has been deceived. We have to make choices, controlling confidence, in hundreds of minor dialogues, but have no choice in key moments. The inability to control MS at such moments only makes the situation worse. This is a lie. The “game over” option, which forces the player onto a specific route, has the same effect.
In this story, I see how the author forgets what he said two paragraphs ago. This also creates a feeling of deception. Example: As with the HC path, the sequence of choices is: “Let's hear what they have to say before we make any decisions.” “No, I wouldn't. “Not with a friend.” “I think we should go and at least hear what they have to say.” “Just remember, today is supposed to be just talking.” “Let's agree right now to keep our clothes on while we are there” can lead to striptease and sex? With this choice, the evening should end ONLY with a conversation, otherwise we see that Steph does not care about the opinion of the MC. This means that MS was deceived. Now MC/Steph look like a couple of teenagers with sperm toxicosis. At the word “tits,” they fly off the hook and lose control of themselves. How did they live four years of marriage? Actions must be consistent, the decision made must be implemented. It is precisely in the ability to control the situation, to keep Steph in check, that the MC’s confidence should manifest itself. He shouldn't always say yes, he shouldn't apologize for Steph's actions. Now he is a rag on which Steph wipes his feet.
The author says: “If he has high confidence, she conforms to him,” but how to do this if any attempt to rein in the presumptuous Steph leads to a loss of confidence. The author is deceiving. I don't see Steph obeying the MC, I see the MC doing whatever Steph wants, he always says yes. He never punishes Steph for her antics, he only apologizes. This insecure MC is a wuss. Deception again. MC promised sex to MC+Tori+Jason, he didn't get it. MC was deceived. If MC ever gets what he was promised (which I don't believe), then the fee that MC will pay by then will be many times greater than the reward. This means that MS was deceived.
For me, Steph, Tori and Jason are the antagonists of the MC. They are the ones who control it. I see the game not as three different paths, but as one path to one goal. Only the attitude of this trio towards the MC changes; the goals of Steph, Tori and Jason do not change. Steph's goal is to fuck anyone, anytime, anywhere. The author writes: I want Steph to take him at his word when he says "Open Marriage". Why believe her? On the HC path she looks white and fluffy because the MC does everything as she wants. MC does not stop her from going towards her goal. On the LC path, when the MC becomes an obstacle, she sweeps the MC aside like a bulldozer, moving towards her goal. No matter what, Steph is pushing MC towards an open marriage, she needs it more than MC. This means that MS will pay more than he receives. MC was deceived.
In the MC/Tori conversation, our hero learns that he is not needed, the target is Steph. MC was deceived. We are not given the opportunity to stop the event, we are not allowed to leave and slam the door. Instead, the MC, with a zombie smile, continues to say: “okay, deceive me some more.” This situation only strengthens the feeling that the MC has been deceived, showing him with a rag on which Steph, Tori and Jason wipe their feet. Further, above, I wrote about a chain of choices, the result of which should be only a conversation, without striptease. But at any level, dom Steph rushes, like a moose during the rut, towards his goal of “freely fucking everything that moves and what doesn’t move – stir it up and fuck it.” She sweeps away all contracts with MS, forgets all promises. Does whatever he wants. Where is the confident and dominant MC here? we were deceived, MC was deceived. MC doesn't stand up - he's a wuss.
I’m wondering if the author of the game also doesn’t react to the deception? The author says: “It’s good that I was deceived”? How in his head is all this a story of love and a happy marriage? Why doesn't he see that MC was deceived and betrayed?
 

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I got the impression that the author has a little chaos in his head. There was a wonderful Konstantin Stanislavsky - Russian and Soviet theater director, actor, teacher, theorist, theater reformer. "I do not believe!" - a phrase that became legendary, he uttered it when the actors played poorly. “Bad” means what the actors did on stage did not match the atmosphere they created. This game has the same problem.
The author needs a good editor. Many seemingly different dialogues lead to the same result. For this reason they seem meaningless. The player feels that he has been deceived. We have to make choices, controlling confidence, in hundreds of minor dialogues, but have no choice in key moments. The inability to control MS at such moments only makes the situation worse. This is a lie. The “game over” option, which forces the player onto a specific route, has the same effect.
In this story, I see how the author forgets what he said two paragraphs ago. This also creates a feeling of deception. Example: As with the HC path, the sequence of choices is: “Let's hear what they have to say before we make any decisions.” “No, I wouldn't. “Not with a friend.” “I think we should go and at least hear what they have to say.” “Just remember, today is supposed to be just talking.” “Let's agree right now to keep our clothes on while we are there” can lead to striptease and sex? With this choice, the evening should end ONLY with a conversation, otherwise we see that Steph does not care about the opinion of the MC. This means that MS was deceived. Now MC/Steph look like a couple of teenagers with sperm toxicosis. At the word “tits,” they fly off the hook and lose control of themselves. How did they live four years of marriage? Actions must be consistent, the decision made must be implemented. It is precisely in the ability to control the situation, to keep Steph in check, that the MC’s confidence should manifest itself. He shouldn't always say yes, he shouldn't apologize for Steph's actions. Now he is a rag on which Steph wipes his feet.
The author says: “If he has high confidence, she conforms to him,” but how to do this if any attempt to rein in the presumptuous Steph leads to a loss of confidence. The author is deceiving. I don't see Steph obeying the MC, I see the MC doing whatever Steph wants, he always says yes. He never punishes Steph for her antics, he only apologizes. This insecure MC is a wuss. Deception again. MC promised sex to MC+Tori+Jason, he didn't get it. MC was deceived. If MC ever gets what he was promised (which I don't believe), then the fee that MC will pay by then will be many times greater than the reward. This means that MS was deceived.
For me, Steph, Tori and Jason are the antagonists of the MC. They are the ones who control it. I see the game not as three different paths, but as one path to one goal. Only the attitude of this trio towards the MC changes; the goals of Steph, Tori and Jason do not change. Steph's goal is to fuck anyone, anytime, anywhere. The author writes: I want Steph to take him at his word when he says "Open Marriage". Why believe her? On the HC path she looks white and fluffy because the MC does everything as she wants. MC does not stop her from going towards her goal. On the LC path, when the MC becomes an obstacle, she sweeps the MC aside like a bulldozer, moving towards her goal. No matter what, Steph is pushing MC towards an open marriage, she needs it more than MC. This means that MS will pay more than he receives. MC was deceived.
In the MC/Tori conversation, our hero learns that he is not needed, the target is Steph. MC was deceived. We are not given the opportunity to stop the event, we are not allowed to leave and slam the door. Instead, the MC, with a zombie smile, continues to say: “okay, deceive me some more.” This situation only strengthens the feeling that the MC has been deceived, showing him with a rag on which Steph, Tori and Jason wipe their feet. Further, above, I wrote about a chain of choices, the result of which should be only a conversation, without striptease. But at any level, dom Steph rushes, like a moose during the rut, towards his goal of “freely fucking everything that moves and what doesn’t move – stir it up and fuck it.” She sweeps away all contracts with MS, forgets all promises. Does whatever he wants. Where is the confident and dominant MC here? we were deceived, MC was deceived. MC doesn't stand up - he's a wuss.
I’m wondering if the author of the game also doesn’t react to the deception? The author says: “It’s good that I was deceived”? How in his head is all this a story of love and a happy marriage? Why doesn't he see that MC was deceived and betrayed?
That has to be one of the best posts I have read about this game. I wish you would have posted it 2 days ago, I would have just plagiarised it and given it to the devs (not really) :ROFLMAO: I ramble enough for myself without stealing others commentary.

The only thing I can add at this point is I see two huge problems with all the hopes the dev has put in to this big reveal.

1. If you are deceived how does being deceived a different way make it any better? You will still be deceived. Trust is broken. There are consequences to shit like that and there better be some for Steph or the story loses all credibility.

2. How does the dev get someone like me, who does not believe anything Steph says, believe Steph is serious about this big reveal. Why would I believe this is any different to the bullshit she pours out of her mouth and isn't just another deception?
 
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That has to be one of the best posts I have read about this game. I wish you would have posted it 2 days ago, I would have just plagiarised it and given it to the devs (not really) :ROFLMAO: I ramble enough for myself without stealing others commentary.

The only thing I can add at this point is I see two huge problems with all the hopes the dev has put in to this big reveal.

1. If you are deceived how does being deceived a different way make it any better? You will still be deceived. Trust is broken. There are consequences to shit like that and there better be some for Steph or the story loses all credibility.

2. How does the dev get someone like me, who does not believe anything Steph says, believe Steph is serious about this big reveal. Why would I believe this is any different to the bullshit she pours out of her mouth and isn't just another deception?
I would be glad and grateful if you show the author my post.

I agree about deception; if you don’t resist deception, you will be deceived more and more. Wisdom says: “he who betrays once will always betray.” A broken cup can be glued together, but it will not be a monolithic cup, it will be fragments.

It would smooth out the situation a little if the evening took place on the HC route according to this scenario: the MC must definitely get sex with MC+Tori+Jason that evening, otherwise the MC will be deceived. Alternatively: Tori puts handcuffs and a blindfold on Steph. Then the sex scene of MC+Tori+Jason, Steph just listens (lying on the bed next to him). Further options are possible: the MC switches to Steph, you can give the MC a choice whether to allow Jason to join or not (for the first meeting, only Steph’s mouth). But all this is only provided that “conversation only” is not selected.

On the second point, I can't imagine how Steph can justify the avalanche of lies in the game. Even being saved from death is not a sufficient justification. Four years of a happy marriage, five years of love, and she is afraid to honestly admit her needs to her husband, to share her secrets? Such relationships are not similar to what the author describes. Obviously, the explanation will be like “MC loves Steph, and the moon – cube.” I didn't see a single action confirming Steph's love for MC, only words.

I feel sorry for MC, good story goes down to "The Adventurous Couple". What's the point of the MC+Tori+Jason event if MC/Steph have already gone through similar stages more than once.
 

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I got the impression that the author has a little chaos in his head.
Damn, bro', there's a lot of chaos and confusion in my head too after reading that wall of text. I agree with everything you said there, but ffs, use the damn space and enter keys more next time you post a very detailed opinion like that. It helps a lot, especially other users reading and understanding what you said.;):WeSmart:

He shouldn't always say yes, he shouldn't apologize for Steph's actions. Now he is a rag on which Steph wipes his feet.
Between us men, we call a spineless idiot like that a cuck or a dumb simp. Don't be surprised the bitch treats him like shit or a mentally retarded wuss trying to have a conversation with her, cuz that's what usually happens IRL too.

don't see Steph obeying the MC, I see the MC doing whatever Steph wants, he always says yes. He never punishes Steph for her antics, he only apologizes. This insecure MC is a wuss.
MC promised sex to MC+Tori+Jason, he didn't get it. MC was deceived. If MC ever gets what he was promised (which I don't believe), then the fee that MC will pay by then will be many times greater than the reward. This means that MS was deceived.
Agreed again. It's why I said in my previous posts that the player should decide whether the MC keeps putting up with her bullshit and her keeping secrets from him and lying to his face or not. Same goes for his so-called friends and other guys he lets his bitch 'socialize' with, but for some stupid reason, the dev doesn't want to comply and still wonders why ppl give him shit for this.:rolleyes:

For me, Steph, Tori and Jason are the antagonists of the MC. They are the ones who control it. I see the game not as three different paths, but as one path to one goal. Steph's goal is to fuck anyone, anytime, anywhere.
No matter what, Steph is pushing MC towards an open marriage, she needs it more than MC. This means that MS will pay more than he receives. MC was deceived.
Yep. Inevitable cucking for 'the plot' and to spice up their marriage just cuz Steph's too much of a selfish, hypocritical cunt to ask her husband to be more aggressive and creative when he fucks her, to just fuck her harder, or simply to experiment with different fantasies and kinks or some other porn shit like that before going for the whole open-marriage thing. It's something that should be obvious by now to anyone who paid attention to the story.:WeSmart:
 

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I would be glad and grateful if you show the author my post.

I agree about deception; if you don’t resist deception, you will be deceived more and more. Wisdom says: “he who betrays once will always betray.” A broken cup can be glued together, but it will not be a monolithic cup, it will be fragments.

It would smooth out the situation a little if the evening took place on the HC route according to this scenario: the MC must definitely get sex with MC+Tori+Jason that evening, otherwise the MC will be deceived. Alternatively: Tori puts handcuffs and a blindfold on Steph. Then the sex scene of MC+Tori+Jason, Steph just listens (lying on the bed next to him). Further options are possible: the MC switches to Steph, you can give the MC a choice whether to allow Jason to join or not (for the first meeting, only Steph’s mouth). But all this is only provided that “conversation only” is not selected.

On the second point, I can't imagine how Steph can justify the avalanche of lies in the game. Even being saved from death is not a sufficient justification. Four years of a happy marriage, five years of love, and she is afraid to honestly admit her needs to her husband, to share her secrets? Such relationships are not similar to what the author describes. Obviously, the explanation will be like “MC loves Steph, and the moon – cube.” I didn't see a single action confirming Steph's love for MC, only words.

I feel sorry for MC, good story goes down to "The Adventurous Couple". What's the point of the MC+Tori+Jason event if MC/Steph have already gone through similar stages more than once.
I did quote TACOS as an example to them at one stage. It really is a good example. Anyone who has been on this forum for a while knows of TACOS and Anne. I remember reading somewhere the devs started our here so it was a safe assumption they would be familiar with it.

"I didn't see a single action confirming Steph's love for MC, only words." Good call. The only action of affection I can remember was the BJ before they left home Friday night. Apart from that nothing.

The devs have put a hell of a lot of faith in this big reveal. I really can't see how Steph having more serious psychological problems is helped by more sex and will make everyone understand her better. I am prepared to give the devs the chance to get it out and see what it is all about despite my scepticism. I want them to be right and to blow my mind.

Tori and Jason will remain on my shit list though no matter the outcome. Stephs affliction does not excuse their bullshit.
 
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Agreed again. It's why I said in my previous posts that the player should decide whether the MC keeps putting up with her bullshit and her keeping secrets from him and lying to his face or not. Same goes for his so-called friends and other guys he lets his bitch 'socialize' with, but for some stupid reason, the dev doesn't want to comply and still wonders why ppl give him shit for this.:rolleyes:

Yep. Inevitable cucking for 'the plot' and to spice up their marriage just cuz Steph's too much of a selfish, hypocritical cunt to ask her husband to be more aggressive and creative when he fucks her, to just fuck her harder, or simply to experiment with different fantasies and kinks or some other porn shit like that before going for the whole open-marriage thing. It's something that should be obvious by now to anyone who paid attention to the story.:WeSmart:
I think the MC is less a simp and more a delusional fool. The devs have said he loves her unconditionally and will stay with her no matter what she does. That isn't being a simp because you are weak, that is just fucking delusional in this day and age.

Ah hell, maybe its the same thing lmao. I don't know any more. I spend way too much time on this game.
 
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The devs have put a hell of a lot of faith in this big reveal. I really can't see how Steph having more serious psychological problems is helped by more sex and will make everyone understand her better.
Well, as long as it sells, it's more than ok, and there's no reason to change that much stuff. Guess that's their logic, or they could tell us that she has a serious nymphomania 'condition', like the hoe FMC from Angelica Temptation whatever. Forgot the title cuz the game was that good it got abandoned after a long-ass period of 'development'. But that's a laughable excuse, cuz I can put up with a nympho's bullshit, but I wouldn't wanna make up being dickless just cause a crazy bitch got the wrong the idea about her husband's intentions lol.

That isn't being a simp because you are weak, that is just fucking delusional in this day and age.
Ah hell, maybe its the same thing lmao.
It is, bro'. Being a simp means a guy's so delusional that he thinks the bitch he simps so hard for will fall for him or or at least give him some pity pussy for obvious reasons. In the MC's case, he thinks his wife will love him more if he puts up with her bullshit, craziness and need for other dicks, so he's lying to himself that she gives a shit about their marriage when her actions and words, on LC and MC paths, show us something entirely different.

I suspect the so-called big revelation will only show us that she was in an abusive relationship with a dickhead who fucked her so good she still craves it occasionally and still has feelings for, but then this delusional simp came in her life and she decided to marry him for a comfortable future or something like that. In any case, the MC's the very definition of a delusional idiot hopelessly in love with a selfish hoe, or a simp, to put it politely, and Steph's just a hypocritical two-faced slut who pretends to love him when in actuality, he's nothing more than a consolation price to her till the other guy or other dickheads like Jason pop into her life and steal her away from him. Btw, just found this funny tutorial the MC should take a look at if he wants to smash Tori's used-up holes.:ROFLMAO:

Tori and Jason will remain on my shit list though no matter the outcome. Stephs affliction does not excuse their bullshit.
Mine too cuz that's not how a supposed friend, not to mention a best friend, should act and treat his friend and his wife. And Tori can shove her bullshit, most probably made-up sob story up her (a-big-probably still tight:LOL:) asshole for safekeeping, cuz I'm not buying it. Even if what she said was true, she has no reason to toy with other ppl's marriage and happiness like that just bcz she's bored of all the dicks she had and needs something new, interesting and spicy in her life.

Fuck her and her backstabbing asshole of a husband. Hope a bus or a high-speed train will take care of them real soon.
 

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I suspect the so-called big revelation will only show us that she was in an abusive relationship with a dickhead who fucked her so good she still craves it occasionally and still has feelings for, but then this delusional simp came in her life and she decided to marry him for a comfortable future or something like that. In any case, the MC's the very definition of a delusional idiot hopelessly in love with a selfish hoe, or a simp, to put it politely, and Steph's just a hypocritical two-faced slut who pretends to love him when in actuality, he's nothing more than a consolation price to her till the other guy or other dickheads like Jason pop into her life and steal her away from him. Btw, just found this funny tutorial the MC should take a look at if he wants to smash Tori's used-up holes.:ROFLMAO:
I have no doubt Steph settled. I said to Nurikabe yesterday the BS with Chucka nd her sister showed she was looking for a way out and MC came along and she ran off with him. She settle for him and now she resents him. Seen many times before. It was first marriage. The ex wanted to get out of her small town and I was there temporarily and young and dumb and took her away with me. DUH. Been paying for that mistake for 22yrs and counting.

Mine too cuz that's not how a supposed friend, not to mention a best friend, should act and treat his friend and his wife. And Tori can shove her bullshit, most probably made-up sob story up her (a-big-probably still tight:LOL:) asshole for safekeeping, cuz I'm not buying it. Even if what she said was true, she has no reason to toy with other ppl's marriage and happiness like that just bcz she's bored of all the dicks she had and needs something new, interesting and spicy in her life.

Fuck her and her backstabbing asshole of a husband. Hope a bus or a high-speed train will take care of them real soon.
Your not wrong there. I told the dev that, early in that encounter I'm done, I just want to smack him in the mouth and walk out. Actually I think I gave options, smack in the mouth, right cross to the nose or kick in the balls (since MC is such a simp) on the way out. I'm not thinking it will happen but hey you never know.

I know one thing I wouldn't be having Tori tell me when I can and can't have sex. In the gallery mod, you may have downloaded it, is an unused picture yet where MC looks like he walks in to a bedroom and Steph is getting railed by Jason with Tori. I'm not going to sit and watch from the side lines. If I'm not driving the car, I'm out of there.

If Mc and wife want to swing, hotwife, whatever, no problem, but not letting that pair control my gameplay. I don't even want to look at them or play the silly games to suck Tori's tit. Once the next update is done, I'm going to reprogram the game and completely skip their content. Sounds petty I know but I'm too old to play shit that annoys or bores me to tears.
 
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