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Joshy92

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Not sure why you think the "anti-NTR" group made the dev change their mind? The game wasn't supposed to be about NTR to begin with, not in the first release of it's description even. The dev did a piss-poor job of making the first few releases of the game where it was heavily going down what seemed like a NTR path and they seemed to correct the game back to what the wife claimed to want, which was an opensex/swinging type thing and not her going out and fucking every dude that was in the game except her husband.

It seems the dev realized how off the mark the game was going vs what they claimed it was supposed to be and adjusted. It's easy to see the confusion with how many NTR/cuck games are described on F95, claiming to be a swinging /open relationship and just become a slut wife/cuck simulator. We'll see how the last releases go, but this may be one of the exceptionally rare 'swinging' games that don't devolve into the simple slut wife/cuck type situations. Time will tell.

By the way, and this appears to have been overlooked by you, but you do realize the title was about the couple getting involved with other dudes wives, and not the MC's wife banging every dude with a dick, right?
Wasn't it about the MC getting with Tori?
That was the whole point of the game.

The mc was even willing to let Steph bang other dudes to make it happen.
 
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Disagree. Implicit in the word "sharing" itself is MC autonomy. You can't 'share' something for which you have no input. By definition a "cuckold situation where mc might not be in control" IS an ntr story. That's moving out of the fetish definition of 'cuckold' and into the dictionary definition of 'cuckold', simply a woman who cheats on her husband.

You misquoted me, I'm sure by accident. I wrote "more submissive sharing where the MC might not be in control." Where the couple agrees that they are going to be in a sharing relationship but the wife is allowed to have more input into when and where and with whom she does the fucking. I didn't mean to imply that the husband was not also involved in other activities, but I can see where what I wrote could be interpreted that way.

But NTR does not equal cuckold anyway. Cuckold in the fetish sense is more like one-sided submissive sharing. NTR is coser to the dictionary defintion of cuckold (as you phrased it), with the wife actually leaving the husband. NTR requires that final loss. I feel like you know that though, given that you even say below that "she never leaves MC." That's true. And there's no indication that that's even on the table. So therefore not NTR.

Just think about this - how silly would it be for a guy who had his car robbed to describe it as "he shared his car with the thieves"? Now you might easily counter; she never leaves MC. Sure. So the thieves took his car against his wishes, drove around, and returned it. Did he 'share' his car then? I suspect we'd be having a mighty different conversation if we applied this same logic to female consent.
But the guy didn't have the car robbed. The guy decided he wanted to try to test-drive someone else's car so he handed the keys to his car to someone else. He actually shared his car. There were no thieves involved. At least in the versions of the game I played. It's a matter of perception, perhaps, but Tori only goes over to Donny after a lengthy discussion where the MC either brings it up himself or agrees that she can do it. Donny (the thief, in your analogy?) never initiates it. It's always Steph, either of her own volition or at MC's suggestion. When they go to Jason and Tori's, literally so that MC can fuck Tori, she doesn't always do anything with Jason, but when she does it's always at her instigation, not Jason's.

Anyway, I think we may just have to respectfully agree to disagree on this one. You like the changes, I don't.

Have fun with your much-desired divorce sim ;)
 
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I have not played the new release but I think you misunderstand "swinging" as a concept. Swinging is NOT your wife being "dicked down" by every guy who comes along while you don't get shit, or her taking over the relationship and banging multiple dudes and telling you to GTFO if you don't go along with her being a total slut.

That's not even "hotwife". That is a woman wanting to have an open relationship on her side, so she can fuck who she wants while she controls the shots, and/or does some sort of "its your fault this all happened" BS type stuff to avoid any ownership or responsibility. That's pure "woman wants to be a total fuck slut to everyone BUT her supposedly loving partner" type game which is all the rage on F95 anytime a game tries to act like a swinging game and ends up with just a slut-wife concept.
If i remember correctly in this game, and i recently only loaded save to play last version, it was kinda expected that in later updates mc would fuck other girls which he already did (2 girls not counting Tori), so i don't see the issue if wifey can have her share of fucking. Granted i only played high confidence route, so maybe it's different on other paths. You're right that it's not classic swinging scene where they switch partners but they both had their share and wifey was in threesome with mc in previous update depending on the choice. So it's not a exactly a cuck humiliation scenario unless player choose it to be by playing low confidence path (again not played it so i don't know how the relationship looks like then).

My main gripe is this last update where she wants to ''better wife'' and in order to do that she don't want to get dicked down by anyone except hubby but at the same time even though she is not a bi, she wants to participate in threesomes with her husband and other women... to what end, to redeem herself? To indulge her husband so she can be perceived as a caring person or whatever? Seems out of place at least for me based on what i played before and what this game should be.

In the end i wanna play the games like a porn movies trope, with or without ''plot'' if there is ever one, every available male character is fucking every available female character and it's enjoyable fuckfest.
 
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Grumpy Old Aussie

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I told Steph to go wild.
I just hope that happens in the future.
We know if you take the right decisions Steph will get the guy in the pool on the business trip in 1.10. And I think Steph and Jason will be option as well. So should be more to come for Steph.
 

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I have not played the new release but I think you misunderstand "swinging" as a concept. Swinging is NOT your wife being "dicked down" by every guy who comes along while you don't get shit, or her taking over the relationship and banging multiple dudes and telling you to GTFO if you don't go along with her being a total slut.

That's not even "hotwife". That is a woman wanting to have an open relationship on her side, so she can fuck who she wants while she controls the shots, and/or does some sort of "its your fault this all happened" BS type stuff to avoid any ownership or responsibility. That's pure "woman wants to be a total fuck slut to everyone BUT her supposedly loving partner" type game which is all the rage on F95 anytime a game tries to act like a swinging game and ends up with just a slut-wife concept.
Let's see, Steph fucks (1) MC, (2) Donny, (3) Paul (optional), (4) Jason (optional). MC fucks (1) Steph, (2) Gina, (3) Amber (optional), (4) Tori (optional). Only the last one for MC is from this update.

4 = 4

Seems even to me. That's not slut-wife at all. Not sure what game you're playing.
 

Joshy92

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We know if you take the right decisions Steph will get the guy in the pool on the business trip in 1.10. And I think Steph and Jason will be option as well. So should be more to come for Steph.
Hmm I don't think I saw that pool render.

I'm a bit worried though Grumpy.
That her business trip will be full of the typical cliché of the mc watching via a phone or Steph telling him about it later.
Instead of them doing everything together as a couple.

I want to see them be with other people together not separately.
 
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If i remember correctly in this game, and i recently only loaded save to play last version, it was kinda expected that in later updates mc would fuck other girls which he already did (2 girls not counting Tori), so i don't see the issue if wifey can have her share of fucking. Granted i only played high confidence route, so maybe it's different on other paths. You're right that it's not classic swinging scene where they switch partners but they both had their share and wifey was in threesome with mc in previous update depending on the choice. So it's not a exactly a cuck humiliation scenario unless player choose it to be by playing low confidence path (again not played it so i don't know how the relationship looks like then).

My main gripe is this last update where she wants to ''better wife'' and in order to do that she don't want to get dicked down by anyone except hubby but at the same time even though she is not a bi, she wants to participate in threesomes with her husband and other women... to what end, to redeem herself? To indulge her husband so she can be perceived as a caring person or whatever? Seems out of place at least for me based on what i played before and what this game should be.

In the end i wanna play the games like a porn movies trope, with or without ''plot'' if there is ever one, every available male character is fucking every available female character and it's enjoyable fuckfest.
Exactly what I've been trying to say. The sharing was always even and two-sided unless the player went out of their way to NOT be so. Until now. From now on it seems like MC can just go fuck all the womens and good wifey will join in even though she's not attracted to women, and all for the benefit of super hubby. This is not sharing at all, it's a stupid harem game.
 
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Hmm I don't think I saw that pool render.

I'm a bit worried though Grumpy.
That her business trip will be full of the typical cliché of the mc watching via a phone or Steph telling him about it later.
Instead of them doing everything together as a couple.

I want to see them be with other people together not separately.
Don't worry. On one of the paths (don't remember which one), she lost the account and the trip got canceled. Been so focused on the horrible relationship handling I haven't even been able to bring up the fact that this update hit several of the unresolved plot points in quite bizarre ways.
 

Joshy92

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Don't worry. On one of the paths (don't remember which one), she lost the account and the trip got canceled. Been so focused on the horrible relationship handling I haven't even been able to bring up the fact that this update hit several of the unresolved plot points in quite bizarre ways.
I thought I read that but then everyone kept talking about it.
So, I assumed I misread things.
 

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im confused then, is the trip still in place and several of the paths or not? I'd be just as happy for them to go to the resort vacation and on to the next chapter of the swinging adventures and leave the [ ] stuff out of it.
 

Joshy92

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im confused then, is the trip still in place and several of the paths or not? I'd be just as happy for them to go to the resort vacation and on to the next chapter of the swinging adventures and leave the [ ] stuff out of it.
I'm a little confused too.
On my save the trip was cancelled if I remember correctly.
But then my friend Grumpy said we still have the trip to come.

So I assume its cancelled on some paths and not on others.
Maybe the devs think there are too many branching paths or something?
 

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Hmm I don't think I saw that pool render.

I'm a bit worried though Grumpy.
That her business trip will be full of the typical cliché of the mc watching via a phone or Steph telling him about it later.
Instead of them doing everything together as a couple.

I want to see them be with other people together not separately.
No idea mate I only know what is in that last Steam render. You will have to make the right choices to get there though.
 

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im confused then, is the trip still in place and several of the paths or not? I'd be just as happy for them to go to the resort vacation and on to the next chapter of the swinging adventures and leave the [ ] stuff out of it.
I'm a little confused too.
On my save the trip was cancelled if I remember correctly.
But then my friend Grumpy said we still have the trip to come.

So I assume its cancelled on some paths and not on others.
Maybe the devs think there are too many branching paths or something?
It's cancelled on at least one of the paths and still happening on at least one other. If I am remembering my plays correctly, I think the one where she fucks Jason it got cancelled. The one where they never went to Jason and Tori's house at all, it's still on. Haven't made my way through every single other path yet.

When they completely cancel the open relationship by not going to Jason and Tori's (basically I played the exact oppostite of what I wanted to play), there is also a very weird scene at the end: Donny and Amber were apparently working for someone else on a yacht that is trying to push the MC and Steph into an open relationship for some mysterious reasons. Bizarre.
 

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How many harem games you know of spend 75% of the time with the LI getting pounded by other guys....
That's why I said the story is a mess and satisfies probably nobody. The first half hints at sharing / swinging with the wife fucking somebody else etc., and now it turns into the usual harem game where MC gets all the girls, all the women are into him and ok with it.

With 1.06 there was an ambiguous scene that some interpreted as NTR others didn't.
There were five paths possible and one of them was Tory telling MC that he isn't her type and they won't have sex and later on watching wifey having sex with the black dude. Seems NTR to me; it was not the games focus, 3 other options were still sharing / swinging and one was to back out, but it was one option and would have been interesting. It would have been a dynamic worth exploring since this rarely happens in porn games, but alas, it was not developed further. Instead, we end up with the 1000th harem game where everything is in MCs hand.
 

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That's why I said the story is a mess and satisfies probably nobody. The first half hints at sharing / swinging with the wife fucking somebody else etc., and now it turns into the usual harem game where MC gets all the girls, all the women are into him and ok with it.

There were five paths possible and one of them was Tory telling MC that he isn't her type and they won't have sex and later on watching wifey having sex with the black dude. Seems NTR to me; it was not the games focus, 3 other options were still sharing / swinging and one was to back out, but it was one option and would have been interesting. It would have been a dynamic worth exploring since this rarely happens in porn games, but alas, it was not developed further. Instead, we end up with the 1000th harem game where everything is in MCs hand.
That was the problem I saw it as NTR as well. The dev did not and seemed genuinely surprised at the time that people interpreted it as that because from his point of view permission was given back in the previous scene. Hence the reason it was changed. It was not the devs intent.
 
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