VN Ren'Py Abandoned Another Man's Wife [v1.092] [Too Perilous]

[Nurikabe]

What did the dev mean by thiscomment ? "Has she already lost it and the MC is too late in figuring it out?"

That's the million dollar question.

"Has she already lost it..."
Lost what? This could be a translation issue with the pronouns and the term "lost". But what is it that she could lose? Love? Faithfulness? Honesty?

"...the MC is too late in figuring it out?"
This part is much clearer and very telling. And it perhaps shows the developers tipping their hands. Obviously, the MC has not figured it out yet. When he does, what will our options be? Will it be three nonsense choices where nothing actually changes? Or will they use the confidence system to reinforce that he needs to be proactive and strong in his response to prevent a bad ending? And what is a bad ending? Cuckold? Slut wife? Divorce?

I think the MC has been open and upright about what he wants. Yes, we have the option of not playing the Tori card but it is not for the purposes of subversion. The MC was asked if he wanted to sleep with Jason's wife. Between Jason and the MC, things are probably face value and there is no hidden agenda. When the MC starts to ask Steph about getting into the lifestyle, he chooses the best way to introduce them to an open relationship. The best way was not to focus on Tori or a single occurrence but rather to test if Steph was even willing to consider flirting and the behaviors that follow.

Our 'confidence' options are to play from the backseat and let Steph drive the decisions. That does not end well and she goes full tilt from the beginning. We can play the middle ground and we still end up being dragged along. Or we can play with high confidence and we are rewarded with Steph (and Gina) doing what she can to please the MC, Amber being available, and the current ending scene which congratulates the MC for being in command of his, and his wife's, future.

Throwing this out there Grumpy Old Aussie because sometimes I am a sick man. I choose the bad option just to be a bit passive-aggressive at a character in a visual novel! Because fuck her! I still stand by the fact that I would take Gina and ditch Steph if she is fucking things up.

 

[packard1928]

That's the million dollar question.

"Has she already lost it..."
Lost what? This could be a translation issue with the pronouns and the term "lost". But what is it that she could lose? Love? Faithfulness? Honesty?

"...the MC is too late in figuring it out?"
This part is much clearer and very telling. And it perhaps shows the developers tipping their hands. Obviously, the MC has not figured it out yet. When he does, what will our options be? Will it be three nonsense choices where nothing actually changes? Or will they use the confidence system to reinforce that he needs to be proactive and strong in his response to prevent a bad ending? And what is a bad ending? Cuckold? Slut wife? Divorce?

I think the MC has been open and upright about what he wants. Yes, we have the option of not playing the Tori card but it is not for the purposes of subversion. The MC was asked if he wanted to sleep with Jason's wife. Between Jason and the MC, things are probably face value and there is no hidden agenda. When the MC starts to ask Steph about getting into the lifestyle, he chooses the best way to introduce them to an open relationship. The best way was not to focus on Tori or a single occurrence but rather to test if Steph was even willing to consider flirting and the behaviors that follow.

Our 'confidence' options are to play from the backseat and let Steph drive the decisions. That does not end well and she goes full tilt from the beginning. We can play the middle ground and we still end up being dragged along. Or we can play with high confidence and we are rewarded with Steph (and Gina) doing what she can to please the MC, Amber being available, and the current ending scene which congratulates the MC for being in command of his, and his wife's, future.

Throwing this out there Grumpy Old Aussie because sometimes I am a sick man. I choose the bad option just to be a bit passive-aggressive at a character in a visual novel! Because fuck her! I still stand by the fact that I would take Gina and ditch Steph if she is fucking things up.

I agree with you that we do noy have enough info on whe is ment by " Lost it" As for the MC figuring it out. I still believe that the girls started this way before jason and MC chatted. Maybe Jason is even in on it.

I like the path where the MC ends up as the controlling factor. There was a lot of fun had by all and everything seemed to be up front . There was basis for future rondevous. The other where Steph end up in control worries me a bit. She even mentions he needs to behave himself. I do not want her to become a fuck queen.

 

[Nurikabe]

I agree with you that we do noy have enough info on whe is ment by " Lost it" As for the MC figuring it out. I still believe that the girls started this way before jason and MC chatted. Maybe Jason is even in on it.

I like the path where the MC ends up as the controlling factor. There was a lot of fun had by all and everything seemed to be up front . There was basis for future rondevous. The other where Steph end up in control worries me a bit. She even mentions he needs to behave himself. I do not want her to become a fuck queen.

I think that would be the bad ending. The good ending is the high-confidence route and everything works out. They all live happily ever after. Bringing any of Steph's drama shit into the story drops the level of confidence. For example, if you look at the receipt, or ask about the phone call. There is a bit of a paradox with the phone call. I think any sane man would have asked about it. But in the theme of the game, if you have high confidence, you don't question that your wife is being honest and will tell you what you need to know. Speaking from experience, a man that has that level of confidence and does not verify things are on track at home comes home to an empty house (or way worse).

 

[ozomozyan]

When is the next update ?

 

[packard1928]

True... THat is why there is different path.... something for everybody. I myself like the all is goog high confidance paths... it is lighter and more fun. THe dark side may produce some amazing sex though !

 

[packard1928]

if anyone is checking ...see if there is any newteasers on Steam ???

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

That's the million dollar question.

"Has she already lost it..."
Lost what? This could be a translation issue with the pronouns and the term "lost". But what is it that she could lose? Love? Faithfulness? Honesty?

"...the MC is too late in figuring it out?"
This part is much clearer and very telling. And it perhaps shows the developers tipping their hands. Obviously, the MC has not figured it out yet. When he does, what will our options be? Will it be three nonsense choices where nothing actually changes? Or will they use the confidence system to reinforce that he needs to be proactive and strong in his response to prevent a bad ending? And what is a bad ending? Cuckold? Slut wife? Divorce?

I think the MC has been open and upright about what he wants. Yes, we have the option of not playing the Tori card but it is not for the purposes of subversion. The MC was asked if he wanted to sleep with Jason's wife. Between Jason and the MC, things are probably face value and there is no hidden agenda. When the MC starts to ask Steph about getting into the lifestyle, he chooses the best way to introduce them to an open relationship. The best way was not to focus on Tori or a single occurrence but rather to test if Steph was even willing to consider flirting and the behaviors that follow.

Our 'confidence' options are to play from the backseat and let Steph drive the decisions. That does not end well and she goes full tilt from the beginning. We can play the middle ground and we still end up being dragged along. Or we can play with high confidence and we are rewarded with Steph (and Gina) doing what she can to please the MC, Amber being available, and the current ending scene which congratulates the MC for being in command of his, and his wife's, future.

Throwing this out there Grumpy Old Aussie because sometimes I am a sick man. I choose the bad option just to be a bit passive-aggressive at a character in a visual novel! Because fuck her! I still stand by the fact that I would take Gina and ditch Steph if she is fucking things up.

Ditto I like Gina

Going down the paths I just got a bit frustrated I guess. Do the foursome on night one and Steph gets the shits. Do the threesome which Steph wants, she sends MC out to get a drink so she can have one on one time with Donny. When MC calls her on that she gets the shits and so on. About the only time she doesn't get the shits is when you tell her to dump the guy at the club but she has his number to fuck him later anyway, so she can still get her own way. The more options I play the more I dislike her. I'm definitely on team Gina's side at this stage.

Anyway, its been fun.

 

[WuzzyFuzzy]

Head scratching time (and again, why in the world am I discussing hypotheticals...you guys are messing with me).

Why are some of you pulling for the person with the butt-ugly eye glasses, the one who makes no secret of toying with married men and would therefore drop our MC like a rock once she makes the score?

What you have here is (maybe, possibly) a dichotomy of paths of action the two women take to arrive at the same goal... what has been termed in various circles as the glamour of self.

 

[Nurikabe]

Head scratching time (and again, why in the world am I discussing hypotheticals...you guys are messing with me).

Why are some of you pulling for the person with the butt-ugly eye glasses, the one who makes no secret of toying with married men and would therefore drop our MC like a rock once she makes the score?

What you have here is (maybe, possibly) a dichotomy of paths of action the two women take to arrive at the same goal... what has been termed in various circles as the glamour of self.

Come on! It's fun!

The glasses, by the way, are in fact ugly. But that chick is hot! She is team MC the entire time. She even wants to spend the night with him and warn him of a certain 'Donny the Douchebag'. What is not to like? Rocking body and a total girl hardon for the MC.

Compare that to Steph who is hiding some shit, easily shits on the MC when he slightly steps over her line, fucks random douchebags at the drop of the hat, and is most certainly hiding something important from the MC. She has the nerve to tell the MC to "look out" for Gina who will likely try to subvert the relationship, all while Steph is in fact, fucking over the relationship!

Character lesson 101 is always write a likable protagonist unless you are living dangerously and going for a noir piece or a redemption arc. Unless... dum dum dum... Steph is the antagonist! Muah ha ha ha ha!

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Come on! It's fun!

The glasses, by the way, are in fact ugly. But that chick is hot! She is team MC the entire time. She even wants to spend the night with him and warn him of a certain 'Donny the Douchebag'. What is not to like? Rocking body and a total girl hardon for the MC.

Compare that to Steph who is hiding some shit, easily shits on the MC when he slightly steps over her line, fucks random douchebags at the drop of the hat, and is most certainly hiding something important from the MC. She has the nerve to tell the MC to "look out" for Gina who will likely try to subvert the relationship, all while Steph is in fact, fucking over the relationship!

Character lesson 101 is always write a likable protagonist unless you are living dangerously and going for a noir piece or a redemption arc. Unless... dum dum dum... Steph is the antagonist! Muah ha ha ha ha!

hmmm i dunno i mean i see the argument but I'm team steph here.... gina has ulterior motives from the start, and while shes forthcoming about them that doesnt absolve the shallow want to get with married men.

One of the great things about this game is steph's personality is kinda like a schrodinger's cat; she simultaneously exists as the antagonist (as you laid out the argument for) and the loving partner. And the distinction between these two is a mere difference between how the mc perceives her.

If he trusts her, it turns out she's trustworthy. If he doubts her, it turns out she's deceptive. It wasnt until I played through other routes that I even considered she had less than upstanding thoughts or motivations. If you just play the husband as a normal guy, she's very much your partner in crime the whole game (with the exception of the scene i've complained about before where she doesnt discuss, but notifies the husband there will come a time when she'll be having extramarital sex alone).

 

[Nurikabe]

hmmm i dunno i mean i see the argument but I'm team steph here.... gina has ulterior motives from the start, and while shes forthcoming about them that doesnt absolve the shallow want to get with married men.

One of the great things about this game is steph's personality is kinda like a schrodinger's; she simultaneously exists as the antagonist (as you laid out the argument for) and the loving partner. And the distinction between these two is a mere difference between how the mc perceives her.

If he trusts her, it turns out she's trustworthy. If he doubts her, it turns out she's deceptive. It wasnt until I played through other routes that I even considered she had less than upstanding thoughts or motivations. If you just play the husband as a normal guy, she's very much your partner in crime the whole game (with the exception of the scene i've complained about before where she doesnt discuss, but notifies the husband there will come a time when she'll be having extramarital sex alone).

This is one of the things I struggle with the most when playing these games. So, is her personality all of it? Everything you can see in all the playthroughs? Or is it entirely dependent on your choices and after making that choice, she is not and cannot be that other person?

It is really painful to think about in some VNs. In this one, it almost seems like you only get the full picture if you do all the paths. But if you only play the 'high confidence' path and it ends with the couple happily swinging, then none of the other paths matter. What Steph did or didn't do on another path is irrelevant. Right? Mind fuck!

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

This is one of the things I struggle with the most when playing these games. So, is her personality all of it? Everything you can see in all the playthroughs? Or is it entirely dependent on your choices and after making that choice, she is not and cannot be that other person?

It is really painful to think about in some VNs. In this one, it almost seems like you only get the full picture if you do all the paths. But if you only play the 'high confidence' path and it ends with the couple happily swinging, then none of the other paths matter. What Steph did or didn't do on another path is irrelevant. Right? Mind fuck!

Unfortunately, (or fortunately?) , the more women I meet and interact with in the real world the more I realize how much this extends to women in reality; i.e. a woman could be cheating on you if you habitually accuse accuse her of such, and yet the exact same woman could be completely faithful and honest with you if you dont get all clingy.

 

[Nurikabe]

Unfortunately, (or fortunately?) , the more women I meet and interact with in the real world the more I realize how much this extends to women in reality; i.e. a woman could be cheating on you if you habitually accuse accuse her of such, and yet the exact same woman could be completely faithful and honest with you if you dont get all clingy.

Accurate and can confirm personally. Unfortunately.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

(with the exception of the scene i've complained about before where she doesnt discuss, but notifies the husband there will come a time when she'll be having extramarital sex alone).

Yeah its a red flag. Steph came across as spiteful to me in that scene, and if she thinks she is missing out the first thing she will do is go find another guy to screw...

 

[JetZ]

When is the next update ?

before end of July on Steam,
the word comes from the dev themselves

 

[JetZ]

if anyone is checking ...see if there is any newteasers on Steam ???

none, i'm always juggling my messages as well incase the dev replied to my last messages to them

there should be another weekly update this weekend if they haven't drop the update this week

 

[Nurikabe]

Yeah its a red flag. Steph came across as spiteful to me in that scene, and if she thinks she is missing out the first thing she will do is go find another guy to screw...

Red flag for sure. And it completely betrays the spirit of the lifestyle they are trying to open up.
"Oh, you have a date tonight so i will call one of my regulars."
"You have had three women, so I get three men."

It is one thing for the partner to try to even up things for the other partner.
As in, "I went out last week and you stayed in. Why don't you go out this week?"
"Why don't we find a male third this weekend?"

But once tallies start being kept and one of the partners is worried about keeping it even it gets ugly. Or worse, like the Steph makes it seem, it is retaliation for him getting laid.
"I'm not going to sit at home waiting while you fuck Tori."

 

[JetZ]

hmmm i dunno i mean i see the argument but I'm team steph here.... gina has ulterior motives from the start, and while shes forthcoming about them that doesnt absolve the shallow want to get with married men.

One of the great things about this game is steph's personality is kinda like a schrodinger's cat; she simultaneously exists as the antagonist (as you laid out the argument for) and the loving partner. And the distinction between these two is a mere difference between how the mc perceives her.

If he trusts her, it turns out she's trustworthy. If he doubts her, it turns out she's deceptive. It wasnt until I played through other routes that I even considered she had less than upstanding thoughts or motivations. If you just play the husband as a normal guy, she's very much your partner in crime the whole game (with the exception of the scene i've complained about before where she doesnt discuss, but notifies the husband there will come a time when she'll be having extramarital sex alone).

i'm with johny on steph side as well,
especially i bet johny also read the new line of end_2
that the dev already put inside the last update for a new game over screen,
basically if we play it right she'll be our partner in crime with the only exception that one mystery of "who is she calling that morning"
but that also depend if we want to talk about it or just ignore it

because in any confidence she always on the phone when we woke up,
just different dialogue and tone for different path
(on the train route it's specifically mentioned as donny on script so that one is easy, even without reading the script)

the problem is we know all of it because we play a different route and even have different choices we picked in the bar conversation,
i don't think all of us has the exact same choices on the bar convo from the beginning to end

so i wanna see how the dev gonna tackle the different outcomes from this tbh

there's also a moment where if u started the game reading the receipt
even on high confidence MC will even have an inner monologue about Paul on club night if i remember correctly at one point (my memory is hazy on this one, too many saves to keep up lol)

 

[Nurikabe]

I am open to being completely wrong about Steph. I hope I am. I want nothing more than for this visual novel to end with a happy couple enjoying swinging —together.

There are just too many things that, from the very beginning on my first playthrough, made the hairs on my neck stand up and often ask, "What the fuck did she just say?"

After Anne (Tac) and Natalie (A Couple's Duet), I don't have any tolerance for the wife lying (and probably a whole lot of personal baggage here). It is hard for me to see how you can be an open and honest, in love couple in an open relationship with secrets and lies. I am probably being too harsh on Steph. I hope so.

 

[JetZ]

I am open to being completely wrong about Steph. I hope I am. I want nothing more than for this visual novel to end with a happy couple enjoying swinging —together.

There are just too many things that, from the very beginning on my first playthrough, made the hairs on my neck stand up and often ask, "What the fuck did she just say?"

After Anne (Tac) and Natalie (A Couple's Duet), I don't have any tolerance for the wife lying (and probably a whole lot of personal baggage here). It is hard for me to see how you can be an open and honest, in love couple in an open relationship with secrets and lies. I am probably being too harsh on Steph. I hope so.

i don't know if u ever play a game called secret care cafe,

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basically i'm fine with that situation since in the end it's about honesty between 2 lovers
give that a try if u haven't altho it's a grindy game tho
btw what Nicole does tho if u don't mind me asking? tbh i never got into "a couple's duet" too much