VN Ren'Py Abandoned Another Man's Wife [v1.092] [Too Perilous]

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

since johny point out this thing,
can i also ask why voyeur always associated with submissive cuck behaviour?
is it because mainstream western porn made people think this way or is it always like that?
i'm genuinely curious since i often ask myself that as well, like why there's rarely game that put voyeur ( or some call it sharing ) not associated with submissive

Just my personal 2c, I think it's less of a mainstream western thing and if anything a pervasive idea on this site from a more eastern influence. I recognize the prejudice in this, and apologize to anyone from that region; obviously not all people from eastern countries think alike. However, I do think anime and the associated culture is much more comfortable with black and white stories, there are villians and there are heroes, there are strong men and weak men, and they look and act accordingly.

On the other hand, I think it was one of the most recent Lesson of Passion games i played where theres this musclehead who invites you to bang his gf.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

since johny point out this thing,
can i also ask why voyeur always associated with submissive cuck behaviour?
is it because mainstream western porn made people think this way or is it always like that?
i'm genuinely curious since i often ask myself that as well, like why there's rarely game that put voyeur ( or some call it sharing ) not associated with submissive

I think it is a sterotype promoted by Western porn and media.

A man who watches his wife taken by another man must be a beta right? The reality is not everyone who enjoys the lifestyle is submissive. There are some very alpha type guys. The subgroup stag/vixen was primarily created for alpha males. Stags don't do humiliation and certainly aren't submissive. They are the opposite of the stereotype.

Also, its a failure to understand the kink. Its an experience between husband and wife. In my case, I love to watch her do anything sexual, she loves to be watched. We connect on a deep sexual level. Whoever the other person is, is irrelevant when we get in the zone. Its powerful. One encounter will sexually charge us for months. Even for wives who go out to play, they come home and share the experience with her husband and it can be powerful for the couple. Often those wives who go out are because hubby is an alpha and can't watch his wife in action, but loves the retelling of her adventure.

That's my 2cents for what it is worth. I have been lucky enough to engage with a lot of people from the community and have some experience myself.

 

[JetZ]

I think it is a sterotype promoted by Western porn and media.

A man who watches his wife taken by another man must be a beta right? The reality is not everyone who enjoys the lifestyle is submissive. There are some very alpha type guys. The subgroup stag/vixen was primarily created for alpha males. Stags don't do humiliation and certainly aren't submissive. They are the opposite of the stereotype.

Also, its a failure to understand the kink. Its an experience between husband and wife. In my case, I love to watch her do anything sexual, she loves to be watched. We connect on a deep sexual level. Whoever the other person is, is irrelevant when we get in the zone. Its powerful. One encounter will sexually charge us for months. Even for wives who go out to play, they come home and share the experience with her husband and it can be powerful for the couple. Often those wives who go out are because hubby is an alpha and can't watch his wife in action, but loves the retelling of her adventure.

That's my 2cents for what it is worth. I have been lucky enough to engage with a lot of people from the community and have some experience myself.

so in short if i understand this correctly,
stags are the one that people normally said here in most games that the wives/gf that's "shared" but not cheating

and usually after their sexual adventures they will basically tell each other when they are home together?
so if i wanna make an example using this game,
let's say in this game Steph went for that so called "office trip"
and when she went home she will tell everything to the MC and vice versa

did i get it right ?

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

so in short if i understand this correctly,
stags are the one that people normally said here in most games that the wives/gf that's "shared" but not cheating

and usually after their sexual adventures they will basically tell each other when they are home together?
so if i wanna make an example using this game,
let's say in this game Steph went for that so called "office trip"
and when she went home she will tell everything to the MC and vice versa

did i get it right ?

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Stags aren't submissive or in to humiliation. They share their wives yes. IF the couple decides, the wife can go out and find guys to have sex with and then come back to tell their husbands. Those husbands can be stags or cucks or whoever. Many couples have that arrangement as it is what works for them as a couple.

If the wives go out and have sex without an arrangement with the husband, that is cheating and is frowned upon in the cuckold community. Of course there are submissive cucks who will put up with it, but its frowned upon.

 

[Joshy92]

Tbh I don't really like when games have bad ends
Hopefully I don't have to go out of the way to avoid them

Also, Grumpy Old Aussie are you also pissed about the Ashes
We should have totally won but we chocked.

 

[iainmore]

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Stags aren't submissive or in to humiliation. They share their wives yes. IF the couple decides, the wife can go out and find guys to have sex with and then come back to tell their husbands. Those husbands can be stags or cucks or whoever. Many couples have that arrangement as it is what works for them as a couple.

If the wives go out and have sex without an arrangement with the husband, that is cheating and is frowned upon in the cuckold community. Of course there are submissive cucks who will put up with it, but its frowned upon.

I know one guy who was paralyzed from waist down after a MC accident. He lets his wife go out and seek sex with other men. He was the last guy I would accuse of being a wimp or submissive. I know there are strict rules between though.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

Tbh I don't really like when games have bad ends
Hopefully I don't have to go out of the way to avoid them

Also, Grumpy Old Aussie are you also pissed about the Ashes
We should have totally won but we chocked.

Considering I sat up and watched every game I was definitely pissed. The Aussies have some work to do.

 

[Joshy92]

Considering I sat up and watched every game I was definitely pissed. The Aussies have some work to do.

Agree with you there

I also agree with some of your points about the game.

And I really hope Steph doesn't just become some turbo slut
I have seen it happen a lot
Hopefully these devs can prove swinging games don't have to devolve into boring sexfests

 

[Satiro]

no compressed?

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

I know one guy who was paralyzed from waist down after a MC accident. He lets his wife go out and seek sex with other men. He was the last guy I would accuse of being a wimp or submissive. I know there are strict rules between though.

Rules are important to set boundaries and make sure both of you are on the same page. Those rules tend to change with time and experience and trust. If communication is excellent then the couple will usually thrive. We have only had one blow out which was early on, it was a misunderstanding in our communication. It was bad, but we learnt a lot from it. We started with a lot of rules, but pretty much have one rule, no means no. Doesn't matter the reason, if one of us says no, everything stops no questions asked. We trust each other to the point that we know if either of us says no there is a reason. We discuss it later of course.

Your friend's story is similar to how we started. My first marriage was not a good marriage. The final years were sexless, we stayed together for the kids. I vowed I would never let that happen again to me or do that to a partner. It was a very bad situation and divorce was inevitable.

I then met my wife a few years later. Our chemistry was off the charts. 8years in, I then suffered some serious health problems and suddenly sex was out for me. I said to my wife it isn't fair for her. She had a high libido and she deserved better. She is a very good woman. She said no of course. Over time I can see it wearing on her and suggested it again and so we became part of the cuckold community about 10yrs ago. It helped that I like to watch and she likes me watching her. I still had all the emotions desires etc, I just could not act on it a lot of the time due to my health. I did get to engage with many in the community and learnt so much from them.

Fast forward 9 years and my health finally improved to the point we decided to move our relationship to an open relationship and maybe even do some swinging. Although I wont date without my wife with me. Its just a me thing, not a rule or anything.

Anyway, there are lots of different reasons people do it. There really are so many different types of people and reason as to why. Hopefully the stigma will go away soon. 3am here, time for some sleep. Take care.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

Agree with you there

I also agree with some of your points about the game.

All good. I have no issue with people having different opinions. Its only when they assholes about it.

And I really hope Steph doesn't just become some turbo slut
I have seen it happen a lot
Hopefully these devs can prove swinging games don't have to devolve into boring sexfests

Me too brother. I don't know why so many stories end up in turboslut mode and sexfests ugh. You are right, it is boring. I love a good engaging erotic story.

 

[ename144]

I think there is an aspect of Steph that makes you both correct and what we have been fearing all along. IF you play the low-confidence (unintended) route, you will experience a part of Steph that could be unpleasant for anyone who does not want that kind of content (the majority of the vocal people in this thread). But there are obviously people here that want the cuckold content. More power to them. I just am not one of those people and do not like the feeling that gives me in real life. Why would I want to feel that in a game?

You can avoid that content, and the bad endings, if you play the high- and medium-confidence route. And Steph will remain the loving, loyal, and slightly bitchy beautiful wife she is. I think we are safe from the whole game turning into an NTR nightmare fest.

I disagree. The quote was specifically "Steph has to drive you crazy or she’s not working." Not that Steph *can* drive you crazy or that she has to drive you crazy to work *in certain paths*, it was unconditional. To me the implication is clear: worrying about how far Steph will go is the central drama of the game.

That's not to say it's going to be an NTR-fest. I assume Steph's actions (and possibly even her motivations) will vary widely depending on our confidence. Steph will only cheat if we bungle our choices. But the specter of NTR will hang over the game nonetheless, constantly threatened so as to keep us on our toes. If we walk the tightrope (hell, it may not even be all that narrow a path) everything will work out fine and MC will be part of a happy swinging couple... in the epilogue.

Which, again, is fine. It's just not what I was hoping for.

 

[JetZ]

so i guess safe to say the dev originally doesn't plan out steph to head "that" way aside for the other "losing" route?
unless i misread this
since the dev pointing out to what they reply to Grumpy Old Aussie thread

 

[camube]

so i guess safe to say the dev originally doesn't plan out steph to head "that" way aside for the other "losing" route?
unless i misread this
since the dev pointing out to what they reply to Grumpy Old Aussie thread
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do you get the sense that, from talking with them, that they are going to release this weekend?

or it's still some weeks away?

 

[JetZ]

do you get the sense that, from talking with them, that they are going to release this weekend?

or it's still some weeks away?

i think from the last convo plus the thread that aussie get, they are trying to get it out this weekend imo
3 more days to see

 

[camube]

hope we all get update release this weekend

 

[packard1928]

Wow I am not sure why everyone is ragging on Steph for the reciet on the desk... Do you expect her to tell her everything she does and with whom she went to lunch with ? THat would be a quick was to divorce. No ... That said... I understand this is a game... and many things are plot defining. So we will see...

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

Wow I am not sure why everyone is ragging on Steph for the reciet on the desk... Do you expect her to tell her everything she does and with whom she went to lunch with ? THat would be a quick was to divorce. No ... That said... I understand this is a game... and many things are plot defining. So we will see...

Why not? My wife went to lunch yesterday and told me who she was going with, when and where. I don't even remember which of her friends she went to lunch with, it doesn't matter, she told me about. I tell my wife everything, she tells me everything. We respect our relationship and each other. I don't even have to ask and vice versa. If you have to start keeping secrets then you need to question how good your relationship really is and why can't you be honest with your partner.

 

[packard1928]

Why not? My wife went to lunch yesterday and told me who she was going with, when and where. I don't even remember which of her friends she went to lunch with, it doesn't matter, she told me about. I tell my wife everything, she tells me everything. We respect our relationship and each other. I don't even have to ask and vice versa. If you have to start keeping secrets then you need to question how good your relationship really is and why can't you be honest with your partner.

I understand that .. Same with me and my wife . But,,, there are time that she has at the spur of the moment had some event ( Say lunch ) where she did not tell me about it first hand. I don't ask.. and if I by chance see a bill for something.. I don't need to ask. We have been maried close to 40 years now.. Your right... mostly she tell me upfront if she has something planned.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

I understand that .. Same with me and my wife . But,,, there are time that she has at the spur of the moment had some event ( Say lunch ) where she did not tell me about it first hand. I don't ask.. and if I by chance see a bill for something.. I don't need to ask. We have been maried close to 40 years now.. Your right... mostly she tell me upfront if she has something planned.

Sorry for the delay in posting, I had to get some sleep. The Dev pointed out the receipt was important. So there was a lot of speculation and scrutiny about the receipt and the phone call. Why wouldn't Steph just come clean about them? What is she hiding? We now know the phone call was to her co-worker and so I assume the receipt was the co-worker as well. Just how that will evolve in the story we don't know yet. So we still don't know why she is hiding that she is telling the co-worker about their private sex life and keeping it a secret. I hope that helps.