VN Ren'Py Abandoned Another Man's Wife [v1.092] [Too Perilous]

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

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Right now, we have three things happening in the game’s development. First, we are continuing the work of replacing older animations in the game. We’re getting close to a point where we can remaster the demo. Second, we are also adding animations to the newest content in the game.

The third thing we are doing is a course correction on where the game ends up. Originally, because it’s a game, we thought of the end in terms of winning and losing. There was going to be a winning path, a “runner-up” path and several losing paths. And if the player lost, then the idea was to replay the game making different choices because the losing paths would have a lot of unanswered questions. We’re changing that so that what happens after you meet Tori is you are on a path that will win, win big, or win really big.

We never wanted this to be a game where players felt they had to replay it in order to succeed, but we were creating a game mechanic that did exactly that. We want people to replay the game because they enjoyed it, and they want to see where the other paths might take them. I think we got it right with Friday night in that we opened to five different experiences. They were all successful experiences in their own way, and that’s what we want to keep doing through to the end. (Hint: You can win, win big or win really big, on any of the five paths from Friday night though some are more likely to result in a big win than others.)

With that said, I can now say that in our game as well as our future games, you are going to be the hero of your story, and you are going to have a happy ending. In my mind this was always true because I can’t not see the winning paths. But now it is true in all situations. Yes, there are still off-ramps early in the game. I’m not sure what I want to do with those, so they are staying as they are for right now (Que discussion for "go back to the bar" option. Hit me.).

So we are going to be updating the game weekly for a while as we work on all three of these fronts. Our next update will patch on Wednesday. It will include a new animation for one of the existing scenes with Steph and Jason, a replacement animation in the old stuff, and new content that we are inserting into the dinner scene. This content helps set up the shift in how we move towards the end of the game.

Also, I said I would create a bit of a guide and post it as a discussion tomorrow. It won't be a detailed walkthrough, but it will guide raising and lowering confidence as well as steps needed to reach certain content. That will pop up tomorrow for those interested.

As always, we appreciate you being here for Early Access. We appreciate all of your feedback, questions and support. We sincerely feel our game is better for it.

It is interesting...

I don't quite understand what they mean.
Does this mean that we will no longer have a "game over" and each player will get the ending they deserve with their choices?

What kind of happy endings are they talking about.....

It's confusing because the first half of the update notes would indicate a change in tack - a recognition of the things we've been talking about here, and how Friday night was a model for a good spread of choices and outcomes. Despite all my cynicism, I was genuinely happy to read this.

But then I got further down:

It will include a new animation for one of the existing scenes with Steph and Jason, a replacement animation in the old stuff, and new content that we are inserting into the dinner scene. This content helps set up the shift in how we move towards the end of the game.

and I see nothing but the opposite direction; my usual rant: the convergence towards ir fetish submissive cuckoldry. Why do I think this? Well, Steph and Jason already HAD animation sets in the new update, so to introduce additional animations is at the cost of any other paths; it shows a clear priority.

Furthermore, assuming he's talking about the Saturday night dinner, in its current iteration, it has a completely positive upbeat tone no matter what path the player is on. (Try it, you can be on the "bad-end" train route, and it's just as upbeat as the 5 confidence). To change this, there's only one direction to go: negative in tone.

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

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Right now, we have three things happening in the game’s development. First, we are continuing the work of replacing older animations in the game. We’re getting close to a point where we can remaster the demo. Second, we are also adding animations to the newest content in the game.

The third thing we are doing is a course correction on where the game ends up. Originally, because it’s a game, we thought of the end in terms of winning and losing. There was going to be a winning path, a “runner-up” path and several losing paths. And if the player lost, then the idea was to replay the game making different choices because the losing paths would have a lot of unanswered questions. We’re changing that so that what happens after you meet Tori is you are on a path that will win, win big, or win really big.

We never wanted this to be a game where players felt they had to replay it in order to succeed, but we were creating a game mechanic that did exactly that. We want people to replay the game because they enjoyed it, and they want to see where the other paths might take them. I think we got it right with Friday night in that we opened to five different experiences. They were all successful experiences in their own way, and that’s what we want to keep doing through to the end. (Hint: You can win, win big or win really big, on any of the five paths from Friday night though some are more likely to result in a big win than others.)

With that said, I can now say that in our game as well as our future games, you are going to be the hero of your story, and you are going to have a happy ending. In my mind this was always true because I can’t not see the winning paths. But now it is true in all situations. Yes, there are still off-ramps early in the game. I’m not sure what I want to do with those, so they are staying as they are for right now (Que discussion for "go back to the bar" option. Hit me.).

So we are going to be updating the game weekly for a while as we work on all three of these fronts. Our next update will patch on Wednesday. It will include a new animation for one of the existing scenes with Steph and Jason, a replacement animation in the old stuff, and new content that we are inserting into the dinner scene. This content helps set up the shift in how we move towards the end of the game.

Also, I said I would create a bit of a guide and post it as a discussion tomorrow. It won't be a detailed walkthrough, but it will guide raising and lowering confidence as well as steps needed to reach certain content. That will pop up tomorrow for those interested.

As always, we appreciate you being here for Early Access. We appreciate all of your feedback, questions and support. We sincerely feel our game is better for it.

This is bullshit more animation of Steph and bbc on the Cuck path? Doesn’t that path have the most fucking content that I will never watch. When the fuck does the loser mc get some pussy? Maybe he should just move out and it can be a Steph game how she went from an open relationship to swinging and stripping and prostituting and finally gangbang bukake porn

 

[Mamonetti]

This is bullshit more animation of Steph and bbc on the Cuck path? Doesn’t that path have the most fucking content that I will never watch. When the fuck does the loser mc get some pussy? Maybe he should just move out and it can be a Steph game how she went from an open relationship to swinging and stripping and prostituting and finally gangbang bukake porn

Swinging doesn't necessarily involve symmetry. Some people take this for granted, but I don't see why each member of the couple must have sex with the exact amount of other people. From this perspective, open relationship and swinging are in fact more similar than they look.

However, when there's too much asymmetry, you get close to the domains of cuckold. And yes, I agree with you, as the game evolves, Steph's role as true MC is getting more relevance and even the non-cuckold path is starting to get closer to the cuckold path. It looks like their divorce is just a matter of time no matter what you do, and after that, we all know what to expect from her..

Regards

 

[packard1928]

This is bullshit more animation of Steph and bbc on the Cuck path? Doesn’t that path have the most fucking content that I will never watch. When the fuck does the loser mc get some pussy? Maybe he should just move out and it can be a Steph game how she went from an open relationship to swinging and stripping and prostituting and finally gangbang bukake porn

In one path tori says that MC and her will have an evening the next night. It was already approved by Steph. Now that said. MC may get some... but where will Jason be... if not with Tori and MC ? Will he be a cluck to that action...or will he slip over to Steph house. This has already been discussed haif he... goes somewhere... she will have the same option.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Swinging doesn't necessarily involve symmetry. Some people take this for granted, but I don't see why each member of the couple must have sex with the exact amount of other people. From this perspective, open relationship and swinging are in fact more similar than they look.

However, when there's too much asymmetry, you get close to the domains of cuckold. And yes, I agree with you, as the game evolves, Steph's role as true MC is getting more relevance and even the non-cuckold path is starting to get closer to the cuckold path. It looks like their divorce is just a matter of time no matter what you do, and after that, we all know what to expect from her..

Regards

Agreed with both parts; I reject the idea some hold that there's strict criteria, it must QUID PRO QUO, and any foreign penis in wife vag must equal husband penis in foreign vag or it's invalid swinging.

But like you said, there's too much asymmetry and moreover, the tone is just all wrong. To those who would still doubt this - I present a short progamerjohnny collage from the dom3 path (-2 < confidence < 2), so what the bulk of players might encounter.

Spoiler: COLLAGE

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Over the span of 1-2 scenes, Steph goes from "We're in this together" to "Don't wait up for us" *grin*.

Then Tori asks if you're okay being a watcher only, which has a rhetorical answer from the MC , and invites you to watch with her. If you respond with 'we should have some fun' she gives the lower right taunt, which is just pure sub cuck speak (like it's literally a line I would write myself if I were writing a literotica cuckold with humiliation story).

If you decline, she spitefully responds "This will hurt your marriage if you can't enjoy what's happening". This is about the furthest language from a "swinging" relationship I can imagine. I've never been to a swingers club IRL, but I'm sure others who have can back me up that no one talks like "if you dont like seeing your wife getting drilled by me it's gonna hurt your marriage".... let's just call this what it is, pure submissive ntr/(im still uncomfortable calling this cuckold because of the deception involved).

It's idiotic someone actually CHOSE to write it this way. I could take the exact same renders, with the exact same renpy labels, and write it in a way which both flowed with the rest of the story and didn't infantilize MC. e.g., Steph has cold feet when they get there, MC and Jason get all chummy, then MC suggests perhaps she should try messing around with Jason to see if there are any sparks.

Again, I must reiterate, the above scenes occur regardless of other choices (excluding the LetsNotDoThis type choices that prematurely end game) on all paths where confidence is between -2 and 2 the prior night. Voyeur variable doesnt matter, train doesnt matter. The problem isn't that this stuff is in the game, it's that it occurs anywhere from -2 to 2 confidence, or all the mid-paths. (ignore the confidence = 4 i have displayed in the images, I was just testing to see if it affected any dialogue after setting dom1, it doesnt)

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

Swinging doesn't necessarily involve symmetry. Some people take this for granted, but I don't see why each member of the couple must have sex with the exact amount of other people. From this perspective, open relationship and swinging are in fact more similar than they look.

However, when there's too much asymmetry, you get close to the domains of cuckold. And yes, I agree with you, as the game evolves, Steph's role as true MC is getting more relevance and even the non-cuckold path is starting to get closer to the cuckold path. It looks like their divorce is just a matter of time no matter what you do, and after that, we all know what to expect from her..

Regards

This will be hubbys new job

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

This will be hubbys new job
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they really need this as a giggidy reaction

 

[asahibito]

***WALKTHROUGH MOD Another Man’s Wife***

...But not really. More of confidence choice highlighter and value summary at end of major sections.

Started working on this when investigating how make a walkthrough mod without editing game files. Will try to incorporate the just announced walkthrough from the devs when that is released.

The game is relatively straightforward for High and Low Confidence paths. Just keep choosing positive or negative choices accordingly. The Medium path may require combination of positive and negative to keep value at 0.

Please let me know if I am missing any stat choices.

EDIT:
2023-09-29
There is now a dedicated Mod Post. All further updates will be in that post.

 

[Nurikabe]

I've come to terms with the fact that the MC is obsessed with Tori for some strange reason. Now I'm offered to come to terms with the fact that he will accept an unfair attitude towards himself and this will be considered a "happy ending". hmm.. no thanks.

That is, to put it briefly, it looks like the swinging is no longer the main direction of the game. Now, the theme of the game is open relationships in all their variety. The MC will be happy no matter what position he finds himself in at the end.

If this turns out to be true, then I pass.

I don't think the MC is infatuated with Tori. Tori is the impetus for the change in his world. She is the carrot that is offered for him and Steph opening their relationship. From the beginning, this has been a story about open relationships and equality in relationships. Not to be confused with symmetry. As has been mentioned, it isn't about "you get one, I get one." It is more about what we do together. Unless you make the "wrong" choices (lack confidence and boldness) that will direct you to the voyeur or cuckold path.

That could all change in the next couple of updates. The devs have made significant changes to the story. Moving the Steph reveal to Saturday (I believe) will change the dynamics in a big way. I don't want to say if that is good or bad yet. I will wait to reserve judgment. I think, in the end, it will be worth it. For me, I am solidly in the swinging/sharing/threesome or foursome path. I am not into him watching her get abused by some asshole or him being sidelined entirely as a cuckold. For guys like me, I think the intended "good" ending will be rewarding.

 

[Mamonetti]

Agreed with both parts; I reject the idea some hold that there's strict criteria, it must QUID PRO QUO, and any foreign penis in wife vag must equal husband penis in foreign vag or it's invalid swinging.

But like you said, there's too much asymmetry and moreover, the tone is just all wrong. To those who would still doubt this - I present a short progamerjohnny collage from the dom3 path (-2 < confidence < 2), so what the bulk of players might encounter.

Spoiler: COLLAGE

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Over the span of 1-2 scenes, Steph goes from "We're in this together" to "Don't wait up for us" *grin*.

Then Tori asks if you're okay being a watcher only, which has a rhetorical answer from the MC , and invites you to watch with her. If you respond with 'we should have some fun' she gives the lower right taunt, which is just pure sub cuck speak (like it's literally a line I would write myself if I were writing a literotica cuckold with humiliation story).

If you decline, she spitefully responds "This will hurt your marriage if you can't enjoy what's happening". This is about the furthest language from a "swinging" relationship I can imagine. I've never been to a swingers club IRL, but I'm sure others who have can back me up that no one talks like "if you dont like seeing your wife getting drilled by me it's gonna hurt your marriage".... let's just call this what it is, pure submissive ntr/(im still uncomfortable calling this cuckold because of the deception involved).

It's idiotic someone actually CHOSE to write it this way. I could take the exact same renders, with the exact same renpy labels, and write it in a way which both flowed with the rest of the story and didn't infantilize MC. e.g., Steph has cold feet when they get there, MC and Jason get all chummy, then MC suggests perhaps she should try messing around with Jason to see if there are any sparks.

Again, I must reiterate, the above scenes occur regardless of other choices (excluding the LetsNotDoThis type choices that prematurely end game) on all paths where confidence is between -2 and 2 the prior night. Voyeur variable doesnt matter, train doesnt matter. The problem isn't that this stuff is in the game, it's that it occurs anywhere from -2 to 2 confidence, or all the mid-paths. (ignore the confidence = 4 i have displayed in the images, I was just testing to see if it affected any dialogue after setting dom1, it doesnt)

Just out of curiosity (I can't remember it with so much detail), does the MC have the opportunity to actually send everyone to hell when he (and Tori) sees Jason and Steph having sex? I mean, regardless of his previous behavior (assuming he's really been too passive and has many voyeur points, which should be relevant here), they manipulated him, especially Steph, who definitely knew this whole Jason/Tori/MC 3some was a dead end before going to Jason and Tori's house and still she asked the MC how far she could go in this first visit.

In the end she was tricking the MC, who saw this question as something like shall we have sex with them if they're open to it right away? while the real question was can I fuck Jason?

I'm not saying the MC has to be forced to choose this option, but even if he was a real cuckold, it would make sense to feel betrayed and he should have the chance to get away from them like forever. You know, just another bad ending that allows him to unwind and tell them directly to their faces what pieces of shit they are.

Regards

 

[Nurikabe]

Just out of curiosity (I can't remember it with so much detail), does the MC have the opportunity to actually send everyone to hell when he (and Tori) sees Jason and Steph having sex? I mean, regardless of his previous behavior (assuming he's really been too passive and has too many voyeur points, which should be relevant here), they manipulated him, especially Steph, who definitely knew this whole Jason/Tori/MC 3some was a dead end before going to Jason and Tori's house and still she asked the MC how far she could go in this first visit.

In the end she was tricking the MC, who saw this question as something like shall we have sex with them if they're open to it right away? while the real question was can I fuck Jason?

I'm not saying the MC has to be forced to choose this option, but even if he was a real cuckold, it would make sense to feel betrayed and he should have the chance to get away from them like forever. You know, just another bad ending that allows him to unwind and tell them directly to their faces what pieces of shit they are.

Regards

Version 1.06 did have options for saying no at every step. It ends abruptly so we don't know where it is going. Could cause Steph to blow up and tell him to fuck off. Or She could get her shit and go home with him. Maybe he tells her off, maybe she tells him off. We just don't know yet.

 

[Mamonetti]

I don't think the MC is infatuated with Tori. Tori is the impetus for the change in his world. She is the carrot that is offered for him and Steph opening their relationship. From the beginning, this has been a story about open relationships and equality in relationships. Not to be confused with symmetry. As has been mentioned, it isn't about "you get one, I get one." It is more about what we do together. Unless you make the "wrong" choices (lack confidence and boldness) that will direct you to the voyeur or cuckold path.

Obviously both Jason and Tori knew what they were doing when they offered the 3some since they had plenty of experience in this matter.

However, even though the MC finds Tori attractive, that's not what moves him to actually consider this offer. He is obsessed with Tori, a forbidden fruit. The fact that he has the chance to bang another man's wife has proved to be stronger than the love he feels for his own wife. Damn, he's even open to let other men fuck Steph although they seemed to be a happy couple who enjoyed their lives together in every aspect including sex (far from a couple crisis or something like that).

So no, there was no equality from the moment the 3some showed up. It was him focused on one goal, fucking Tori, even at a cost of sacrificing his wife.

Regards

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

I don't think the MC is infatuated with Tori. Tori is the impetus for the change in his world. She is the carrot that is offered for him and Steph opening their relationship. From the beginning, this has been a story about open relationships and equality in relationships. Not to be confused with symmetry. As has been mentioned, it isn't about "you get one, I get one." It is more about what we do together. Unless you make the "wrong" choices (lack confidence and boldness) that will direct you to the voyeur or cuckold path.

That could all change in the next couple of updates. The devs have made significant changes to the story. Moving the Steph reveal to Saturday (I believe) will change the dynamics in a big way. I don't want to say if that is good or bad yet. I will wait to reserve judgment. I think, in the end, it will be worth it. For me, I am solidly in the swinging/sharing/threesome or foursome path. I am not into him watching her get abused by some asshole or him being sidelined entirely as a cuckold. For guys like me, I think the intended "good" ending will be rewarding.

Obviously both Jason and Tori knew what they were doing when they offered the 3some since they had plenty of experience in this matter.

However, even though the MC finds Tori attractive, that's not what moves him to actually consider this offer. He is obsessed with Tori, a forbidden fruit. The fact that he has the chance to bang another man's wife has proved to be stronger than the love he feels for his own wife. Damn, he's even open to let other men fuck Steph although they seemed to be a happy couple who enjoyed their lives together in every aspect including sex (far from a couple crisis or something like that).

So no, there was no equality from the moment the 3some showed up. It was him focused on one goal, fucking Tori, even at a cost of sacrificing his wife.

Regards

I think his obsession with Tori is (or was) path dependent. Prior to this update, based on how you chose answers during the initial night at bar; Tori could be as small as a mere conversational impetus for getting the ball rolling - at least that's how I played it. This is why I'm looking forward to what will likely be the most neglected route (but I can dream) - the future of the game with zero Tori and Jason, and all mc and wife hot swinging action.

Even before the final watcher cuck scene, I find Tori INTENSELY dislikable. "Let's have some drinks and get to know each other better" - "If you're not comfortable, that's fine" fuck off ugly bitch I'm just trying to make conversation and socially lubricate everyone.

Everyone keeps talking about the wrong choices that lead you to the cuck/voyeur path - but as I laid out in my last post, that's not true in the current update. It's fairly easy to end up with confidence = 1 on the last day without making any obvious "wrong choices", and this is at the forefront of my gripes.

Just out of curiosity (I can't remember it with so much detail), does the MC have the opportunity to actually send everyone to hell when he (and Tori) sees Jason and Steph having sex? I mean, regardless of his previous behavior (assuming he's really been too passive and has many voyeur points, which should be relevant here), they manipulated him, especially Steph, who definitely knew this whole Jason/Tori/MC 3some was a dead end before going to Jason and Tori's house and still she asked the MC how far she could go in this first visit.

In a word no, not in the current implementation.

 

[Mamonetti]

I think his obsession with Tori is (or was) path dependent. Prior to this update, based on how you chose answers during the initial night at bar; Tori could be as small as a mere conversational impetus for getting the ball rolling - at least that's how I played it. This is why I'm looking forward to what will likely be the most neglected route (but I can dream) - the future of the game with zero Tori and Jason, and all mc and wife hot swinging action.

Well, this obsession is the trigger of everything, that's for sure. It can be somehow molded with the choices we make as the game progresses but it's still there.

Even before the final watcher cuck scene, I find Tori INTENSELY dislikable. "Let's have some drinks and get to know each other better" - "If you're not comfortable, that's fine" fuck off ugly bitch I'm just trying to make conversation and socially lubricate everyone.

I don't like her either but let's be clear, the amount of work required to keep both Jason/Tori and non-Jason/Tori paths active and with enough content in future updates is huge. So I don't expect the developers to drop Jason and Tori in the foreseeable future.

Regards

 

[Nurikabe]

Obviously both Jason and Tori knew what they were doing when they offered the 3some since they had plenty of experience in this matter.

However, even though the MC finds Tori attractive, that's not what moves him to actually consider this offer. He is obsessed with Tori, a forbidden fruit. The fact that he has the chance to bang another man's wife has proved to be stronger than the love he feels for his own wife. Damn, he's even open to let other men fuck Steph although they seemed to be a happy couple who enjoyed their lives together in every aspect including sex (far from a couple crisis or something like that).

So no, there was no equality from the moment the 3some showed up. It was him focused on one goal, fucking Tori, even at a cost of sacrificing his wife.

Regards

Not in any of my playthroughs did the MC act like Tori was the object of his totally obsessed desires. Not one. I have played this game so many times I can't even count.

If you focus on Tori entirely as the object of all desire and reason for making any moves towards swinging, Steph ends it. That tells me that going down the route of the obsessed husband lusting after another man's wife will end the game and is not the purpose or intent of the story in any way.

If you play the main route with confidence on high and all the choices that would qualify as "bold" you get a very amiable Steph, as well as seeing that all other characters magically align to be your ally. Porn logic here is a must. Typical of these visual novels where the MC becomes the greatest man and the other characters are all there to serve in his wish fulfillment.

In a negative playthrough, where you choose low-confidence options making only weak choices, you get a completely different game where the MC is made out as a man who wants to be a cuckold and just didn't know it. He enjoys what he sees and what his wife does. Although, in the last update the devs gave players the option to escape from those routes ("off-ramps").

I respect your opinion and take on the game. But there is nothing to support that vision in the actual story.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Not in any of my playthroughs did the MC act like Tori was the object of his totally obsessed desires. Not one. I have played this game so many times I can't even count.

If you focus on Tori entirely as the object of all desire and reason for making any moves towards swinging, Steph ends it. That tells me that going down the route of the obsessed husband lusting after another man's wife will end the game and is not the purpose or intent of the story in any way.

If you play the main route with confidence on high and all the choices that would qualify as "bold" you get a very amiable Steph, as well as seeing that all other characters magically align to be your ally. Porn logic here is a must. Typical of these visual novels where the MC becomes the greatest man and the other characters are all there to serve in his wish fulfillment.

In a negative playthrough, where you choose low-confidence options making only weak choices, you get a completely different game where the MC is made out as a man who wants to be a cuckold and just didn't know it. He enjoys what he sees and what his wife does. Although, in the last update the devs gave players the option to escape from those routes ("off-ramps").

I respect your opinion and take on the game. But there is nothing to support that vision in the actual story.

Exactly, on a high confidence playthrough tori and jason play an extremely minor part in the story for the first 2 days; you almost forget they're in the game. High confidence playthroughs also see the most jarring discontunity with act 3- obviously there's no cuck scene, but even the conversation feels awkward, because you've already been there done that at that point, and yet they talk to you like you're in swinger kindergarten.

I don't like her either but let's be clear, the amount of work required to keep both Jason/Tori and non-Jason/Tori paths active and with enough content in future updates is huge. So I don't expect the developers to drop Jason and Tori in the foreseeable future.

For sure, though the fact that they went out of their way to give a blurb in game on how they have every intention of developing that path is somewhat heartening...

 

[Nurikabe]

I don't like her either but let's be clear, the amount of work required to keep both Jason/Tori and non-Jason/Tori paths active and with enough content in future updates is huge. So I don't expect the developers to drop Jason and Tori in the foreseeable future.

For sure, though the fact that they went out of their way to give a blurb in game on how they have every intention of developing that path is somewhat heartening...

And we know that Tori, Gina, and Steph will be in future games. They are invested in these characters and their story. I believe they are also invested and truly desire to tell a great story. They are working actively to improve the story on each update. They have taken criticism well and are engaging positively with supporters. These are all very good signs!

 

[Mamonetti]

Not in any of my playthroughs did the MC act like Tori was the object of his totally obsessed desires. Not one. I have played this game so many times I can't even count.

If you focus on Tori entirely as the object of all desire and reason for making any moves towards swinging, Steph ends it. That tells me that going down the route of the obsessed husband lusting after another man's wife will end the game and is not the purpose or intent of the story in any way.

If you play the main route with confidence on high and all the choices that would qualify as "bold" you get a very amiable Steph, as well as seeing that all other characters magically align to be your ally. Porn logic here is a must. Typical of these visual novels where the MC becomes the greatest man and the other characters are all there to serve in his wish fulfillment.

In a negative playthrough, where you choose low-confidence options making only weak choices, you get a completely different game where the MC is made out as a man who wants to be a cuckold and just didn't know it. He enjoys what he sees and what his wife does. Although, in the last update the devs gave players the option to escape from those routes ("off-ramps").

I respect your opinion and take on the game. But there is nothing to support that vision in the actual story.

Of course I see what you mean and it's reasonable.

However, I believe you're missing one point here. The fact that the MC is obsessed with Tori is 100% compatible with him being smart when it comes to discuss this topic with Steph. Obviously if you try to play the alpha male with her, you're fucked. From the beginning, they respected each other and you can't break this balance all of a sudden, that's why he's offering something in exchange (his blessing for her to have fun with other men).

Exactly, on a high confidence playthrough tori and jason play an extremely minor part in the story for the first 2 days; you almost forget they're in the game. High confidence playthroughs also see the most jarring discontunity with act 3- obviously there's no cuck scene, but even the conversation feels awkward, because you've already been there done that at that point, and yet they talk to you like you're in swinger kindergarten.

These 2 first days are pretty much an introduction for what's to come, the meeting with Jason and Tori. In order for this to move on, they need to be ready and that's what they do in these first days, get ready.

And btw, has anyone noticed something strange in their posts? The sentence I've highlighted in bold from the previous quote wasn't there in the original post, or at least I couldn't see it (just showed up when I clicked on Reply). Actually I think it's already happened in a previous post of this thread.

And we know that Tori, Gina, and Steph will be in future games. They are invested in these characters and their story. I believe they are also invested and truly desire to tell a great story. They are working actively to improve the story on each update. They have taken criticism well and are engaging positively with supporters. These are all very good signs!

Well, that's good to hear indeed.

Regards

 

[m4pII]

I don't think the MC is infatuated with Tori. Tori is the impetus for the change in his world. She is the carrot that is offered for him and Steph opening their relationship. From the beginning, this has been a story about open relationships and equality in relationships. Not to be confused with symmetry. As has been mentioned, it isn't about "you get one, I get one." It is more about what we do together. Unless you make the "wrong" choices (lack confidence and boldness) that will direct you to the voyeur or cuckold path.

The offer to sleep with Tori is what motivated the MC to embrace his new lifestyle, even risking his marriage.
At game over, in the MC's mind, we are shown a frustrated Tori, who says that we screwed up and we won't get her.
If this isn't an obsession, then I don't even know.

Also, in the beginning, the idea of the game was some kind of equality in relationships.
Now, in the latest update, the narration of most routes is the selfish Steph, who takes the reins in her own hands or begins to manipulate.

Edit.
I think some subscribers did not like that the cuckold ending turned out to be one of the bad endings. "why being a cuck is losing and bad?"
And now we don't have any bad endings and bad choices at all, as the MC will be happy... no matter what.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

And btw, has anyone noticed something strange in their posts? The sentence I've highlighted in bold from the previous quote wasn't there in the original post, or at least I couldn't see it (just showed up when I clicked on Reply). Actually I think it's already happened in a previous post of this thread.

thats probably just me noticing spelling errors or sentence flow after the fact and adjusting with edits, I tend to edit posts a LOT after posting. At least that's my guess; people editing posts, I have no idea if not that.

The offer to sleep with Tori is what motivated the MC to embrace his new lifestyle, even risking his marriage.
At game over, in the MC's mind, we are shown a frustrated Tori, who says that we screwed up and we won't get her.
If this isn't an obsession, then I don't even know.

This is true, he does get frustrated in that segment, but I just don't feel it. I know that sounds awfully arbitrary, what I'm saying is it feels like the dev/writer is forcing me to care about Tori even though I don't, and little of my MC's actions do or his dialogue prior to final night. It feels like a 'gotcha'.