Ren'Py Apartment #69 [v0.08] [Luxee]

[myuhinny]

I haven't even done all of the teachers scenes.

 

[Rutonat]

Sooo either I managed to bug something out, or I'm not understanding something... The Lain Mod tells me I have 3 more scenes (at least three girls) yet to do, but I never have anything. I've tried going where the mod tells me at time of the day it tells me, I've tried just checking randomly at any time of the day... Nothing. I don't even have the little dot telling me there's something to do.
Am I just dumb ?

 

[FaceCrap]

But yeah, I'm going to it the way it is. I've seen all the variations. Sticking with the canon one

Unless the Lain mod added those alternative renders (following the romance path) how can you say Nea doing that is the canonical version? Since the images for the alternate variation are there, it can't be canon, just depending on player's choice... right?

 

[Dragon59]

First news I have of the latest (I knew something had happened, but not what it could be). I suppose you know this for choosing option 1 and not 2.

Certainly it's an abrupt end for Nea. A shame, but I still haven't interest in starting a romance with her.

Well, that's the fate of many trans youth who feel they are condemned, rejected at every turn for who they are. It's not a surprise given Nea's family environment. A very logical consequence of turning one's back on someone in crisis.

most who like trans girls are too insecure to admit it... so, they lash out.

Are you sure you're not projecting there? In my experience, people who are uncomfortable with trans persons are the ones most likely to make a scene trying to justify their decisions.

 

[Ghostface Reborn]

Are you sure you're not projecting there? In my experience, people who are uncomfortable with trans persons are the ones most likely to make a scene trying to justify their decisions.

that's saying exactly what I said with different words...

 

[Dragon59]

At 6:30 - 7 AM this morning with my coffee, I did an honest, open-minded run with Nea and nobody else, even posted about it (see below)

It was a very well written route, and it did get emotional when he was trying to coax her off the ledge.

Here's the link to the post this morning:

https://f95zone.to/threads/apartment-69-v0-06-luxee.18630/page-214#post-7088263

Thanks for sharing that. The only thing I'd correct is referring to it as her orientation. It's her identity. It has also been found that trans individuals actually have brain structures more like their identity than their assigned gender--Nea having a female brain in a male body is her dysphoria, and without support, the turmoil just gets worse.

that's saying exactly what I said with different words...

Oh! Now I understand. Those who find themselves in their own bit of mental dysphoria. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

[Canto Forte]

IS this even a discussion? She wants to live with you.
Whether you string her along or not, whether you approve or not,
survival is more important that the petty issues of whether she goes down on you or not.
Have a heart. Whatever it takes, save her!
Where has all the humanity just up and left all of a sudden?

 

[Ghostface Reborn]

Oh! Now I understand. Those who find themselves in their own bit of mental dysphoria. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

exactly. no problem. this trans woman breaks it down pretty damn well:

You must be registered to see the links

 

[Dragon59]

Alright let's look at this from a real life point of view...

Would someone really want to jump if they felt the person they loved denied them? I mean, obviously she had a connection with the MC, but if this were real life, would they take that extreme step instead of just going about living their lives?

If what happened, happened, she obviously took the more extreme solution and completely felt unloved and inferior, and was desperate enough to not feel any more pain in her life; from her father, mother, people at school, the MC, whoever else. Was she that much at the end of her chain that the MC was her other true shot at love and happiness, to the point where if he denied her, she'd take the plunge?

Does her decision mirror real life at all and the possibility of what could or would happen?

Yes, the rate of suicide among trans youth is appalling. Without feeling someone is in their corner, many choose to end the pain that way. Many have called suicide a permanent solution to a temporary problem, but the problem looks pretty permanent to trans youth in crisis.

From an article in Forbes:

The survey is based on the experiences of nearly 35,000 LGBTQ youth, ages 13–24 across the United States, from October to December 2020, according to Green.

An alarming 42% of LGBTQ youth seriously considered attempting suicide in the past year. That number includes more than half of transgender and nonbinary youth who took part in the survey. For white youth, 12% attempted suicide, compared to 31% of Native/Indigenous youth, 21% of Black youth, 21% of multiracial youth, 18% of Latinx youth, and 12% of Asian/Pacific Islander youth.

That just counts those who attempted or considered it, not those who actually died. Another study said between 22 and 43% of trans individuals have attempted suicide at some point in their lives. Trans individuals are 2x more likely to attempt suicide than those who are Lesbian, Gay, or Bisexual.

So yeah, Nea's bad ending is all too common.

 

[Dragon59]

exactly. no problem. this trans woman breaks it down pretty damn well:

You must be registered to see the links

I follow Contrapoints. I thought she had a video about male confusion, but I don't see it on her page.
Without naming names, my therapist shared some of the stories of her trans clients (I do feel that she felt I was on the cusp of feeling that my own gender dysphoria was serious enough to transition). Most were youth going through similar struggles as Nea. One was an older woman who has gone through all the surgeries and is afraid to tell her husband that she started out with a male body. She has a fear that he will reject her if he were to find out. Sad situation, living in fear of being discovered.

 

[Canto Forte]

Nea is dealing with extremes ... she is bullied by some asshole looking to molest her also.

She could not have a life even if she ”skirted” the male wardrobe,
”cause she would still be bully fodder. Being bullied is not any better, let me tell ya!

Wearing a skirt would deffinitly escalate any and all animosity.

She might think she has little to nothing to live for, which from any outside look,
would be pretty much on point to her actual situation.

MC is in her corner. You take him out also ...

 

[Ghostface Reborn]

Without naming names, my therapist shared some of the stories of her trans clients (I do feel that she felt I was on the cusp of feeling that my own gender dysphoria was serious enough to transition). Most were youth going through similar struggles as Nea. One was an older woman who has gone through all the surgeries and is afraid to tell her husband that she started out with a male body. She has a fear that he will reject her if he were to find out. Sad situation, living in fear of being discovered.

can't say I wasn't much better in the past. sex games opened my eyes and made me thing about things.

 

[Ghostface Reborn]

I follow Contrapoints. I thought she had a video about male confusion, but I don't see it on her page.
Without naming names, my therapist shared some of the stories of her trans clients (I do feel that she felt I was on the cusp of feeling that my own gender dysphoria was serious enough to transition). Most were youth going through similar struggles as Nea. One was an older woman who has gone through all the surgeries and is afraid to tell her husband that she started out with a male body. She has a fear that he will reject her if he were to find out. Sad situation, living in fear of being discovered.

honestly, they need to be taught that it's okay to be unique and embrace it. I've noticed such girls are happier where most post ops regret srs and some post ops have nothing but contempt for those who are comfortable.

 

[Dragon59]

Exactly. I mean yeah there's been feedback and backlash about Nea (I've been one of them, not going to lie) but even I feel guilty about what happened. Not something I wanted, expected, or thought about AT.ALL.

That might be why Luxee put the bad ending in the game--to show a bit of the real challenge trans youth still go through.

 

[Ghostface Reborn]

That might be why Luxee put the bad ending in the game--to show a bit of the real challenge trans youth still go through.

A smart move.

 

[Dragon59]

That's a valid post acknowledging what's going on with Nea and how every day people can feel about someone like that. We don't all have to agree about this gender identification stuff that has come up recently. The group I grew up with in the 80's/90's were pretty open-minded about stuff...not everyone, but a lot of us. At the end of the day, there are people like Nea in real life. They are real human beings. And should be treated as such, regardless if we agree with the political and gender identification stuff.

The thing is, science has shown some convincing evidence in brain structure, so to me, it's not politics, it's reality.

That's right. The fire in AL fucked me up for four days where I was an emotional wreck. This just has me completely gobsmacked.

Which is why I have not felt a great inclination to load that one on my computer.

 

[Canto Forte]

All of it is a player choice .. it is a hard pace some men end up in during their
younger years .. girls fawn ove the same guy and anyone else is just invisible.

When MC helped her, she could just lash out and drive him away.
She could accuse him any of the other times he jumped in to help her,
insult him and just hate him .. just like hating the bully.

This is a game and females act favorably towards MC.

 

[Dragon59]

can't say I wasn't much better in the past. sex games opened my eyes and made me thing about things.

Seeing Eve's story in Summertime Saga did help me to feel confident that if I were to find myself attracted to a trans woman, I would be able to accept it.

honestly, they need to be taught that it's okay to be unique and embrace it. I've noticed such girls are happier where most post ops regret srs and some post ops have nothing but contempt for those who are comfortable.

Living here on the central coast area of California, I'm happy that we have so many trans people at work. Makes me feel very comfortable and at home.

A smart move.

Yeah. I am going to have some trans individuals in the games I'm currently working on. I hope I can do it right. Most will be over 24 years of age, so that should avoid some of the angst.

 

[Dragon59]

All of it is a player choice .. it is a hard pace some men end up in during their
younger years .. girls fawn ove the same guy and anyone else is just invisible.

When MC helped her, she could just lash out and drive him away.
She could accuse him any of the other times he jumped in to help her,
insult him and just hate him .. just like hating the bully.

This is a game and females act favorably towards MC.

You found out my secret fantasy! Good guys getting the attention over "bad boys" and manipulators.

 

[Ghostface Reborn]

Yeah. I am going to have some trans individuals in the games I'm currently working on. I hope I can do it right. Most will be over 24 years of age, so that should avoid some of the angst.

angst makes it better. I suggest most of the plot revolves around getting them and the player comfortable with their bodies and their dicks--that should always be a goal.