Ren'Py Abandoned Apartment 96 [Update 3] [YTV Productions]

[Havenless_]

That's what I meant, and I agree with you. The Ladies are naughty and all of them very heavy into lesbian stuff. Nothing against it, I like Lesbian Porn. But it doesn't fit with the Martin stuff.
I hope this doesn't become some Psycho- Thriller where we are just a foolish play thing.

Sophie was not sad about it, she was insecure she was sad because she did miss something in her life( a deep desire).
In all honesty I think the BDSM exploration is really nice done.
They use a safeword, they do aftercare, and we witness her going into subspace (That's the Head orgasm she is talking about). As someone who is into that. As a Dom I feel proud when my partner goes there. It feels like ok I did everything right. I can reassure you that's the goal. She is good she wants it. And she likes it. She would not be able to go to subspace when she is not liking it. And both of them had thought about it and have a safety net.
I loved it. Somehow this scene, where she is restricted. It was one of the most accurate and realistic scenes BDSM related I ever witnessed. Maybe I exaggerate a little bit. But I think the person who wrote this particular scene has experience with BDSM in RL.

I feel with you, it seems harsh from the outside. That's the reason why I don't want to play as a malesub. BDSM can be on hte edge. But it was very light in this case. Maybe you should avoid Sophie. I would do when I am not in BDSM.

I am neither a maledom nor a malesub. Basically because I am not a male.
But yeah, I'm not a fan of domination, humiliation, BDSM, etc ...
And I'm really looking forward to trying BDSM with Sophie. But to be honest, I'm really not a fan of this kind of thing. No matter how consensual they are. I think I'll give it a try, see how it goes. But I think we are all quite clear that at first it will be something light, and when Sophie and the MC get used to it, the level will increase and it will be more "heavy", although also consensual. This is what takes away my desire.

Having the option not to use BDSM with Sophie I don't think it's to abandon her route. The game does not tell you any of this. It would make more sense that if you don't want BDSM, you have a vanilla route with her, rather than just having chatter and talk that replaces the sex scenes. I wouldn't see it fair at all. It would have been better if when we chose not to use BDSM with Sophie, we would have had a normal sex scene. But no, we went to watch television. I understand that Sophie wanted to try this, but she made it clear to us that she did not want to pressure us or force us to do anything. And I felt the opposite. Just as I do not force love interests to anything (when I have the option, of course) I also do not like to be forced to do anything. Sophie is my favorite character and I know I am very pushy about this, but I really felt sad and I felt bad. I'd just like to have vanilla routes without being "penalized" for not wanting to see a fetish.

 

[Deleted member 3208170]

I am neither a maledom nor a malesub. Basically because I am not a male.
But yeah, I'm not a fan of domination, humiliation, BDSM, etc ...
And I'm really looking forward to trying BDSM with Sophie. But to be honest, I'm really not a fan of this kind of thing. No matter how consensual they are. I think I'll give it a try, see how it goes. But I think we are all quite clear that at first it will be something light, and when Sophie and the MC get used to it, the level will increase and it will be more "heavy", although also consensual. This is what takes away my desire.

Having the option not to use BDSM with Sophie I don't think it's to abandon her route. The game does not tell you any of this. It would make more sense that if you don't want BDSM, you have a vanilla route with her, rather than just having chatter and talk that replaces the sex scenes. I wouldn't see it fair at all. It would have been better if when we chose not to use BDSM with Sophie, we would have had a normal sex scene. But no, we went to watch television. I understand that Sophie wanted to try this, but she made it clear to us that she did not want to pressure us or force us to do anything. And I felt the opposite. Just as I do not force love interests to anything (when I have the option, of course) I also do not like to be forced to do anything. Sophie is my favorite character and I know I am very pushy about this, but I really felt sad and I felt bad. I'd just like to have vanilla routes without being "penalized" for not wanting to see a fetish.

Mylady, I have guessed you are a female. My answer wasn't meant as gender-specific.
I knew how you feel, believe me. I witnessed enough forced so called BDSM in other games. And they are worse. I hate Maledom games where I am nothing more than a rapist and Femdom games where I am nothing more than a victim of rape.
We all wanted choice. It is a trend that more and more games take this power of choice from the player and becoming kinetic. I had a conversation with another Dev about this. The Problem is to many routes are multiplication of work. Not only double the amount of work but X² times of work. Its get really fast exponential.
The good thing about this game we have a choice which one we want to engage with. That alone is enough to praise it.
I can only hope it stays that way and other character aren't blocked by a certain character.
So yes, I get your disappointment about Sophie. But think of it this way. At least you have a choice. It seems she is the sub women in the game only in BDSM play of course. That seems to be her story. And yes it will become more intense, but I doubt it becomes really extreme.

Maybe and I am only thinking with you here. This game don't go broad with a lot of women, instead of thin but deep with just a few. To come back to you initial post. That would avoid this cluster fucking with so much bisexual women.
Let's say keep just these 3 women then maybe the Devs could get multiple routes with them.

What do you think?

 

[Havenless_]

Mylady, I have guessed you are a female. My answer wasn't meant as gender-specific.
I knew how you feel, believe me. I witnessed enough forced so called BDSM in other games. And they are worse. I hate Maledom games where I am nothing more than a rapist and Femdom games where I am nothing more than a victim of rape.
We all wanted choice. It is a trend that more and more games take this power of choice from the player and becoming kinetic. I had a conversation with another Dev about this. The Problem is to many routes are multiplication of work. Not only double the amount of work but X² times of work. Its get really fast exponential.
The good thing about this game we have a choice which one we want to engage with. That alone is enough to praise it.
I can only hope it stays that way and other character aren't blocked by a certain character.
So yes, I get your disappointment about Sophie. But think of it this way. At least you have a choice. It seems she is the sub women in the game only in BDSM play of course. That seems to be her story. And yes it will become more intense, but I doubt it becomes really extreme.

Maybe and I am only thinking with you here. This game don't go broad with a lot of women, instead of thin but deep with just a few. To come back to you initial post. That would avoid this cluster fucking with so much bisexual women.
Let's say keep just these 3 women then maybe the Devs could get multiple routes with them.

What do you think?

Definitely. The amount of games that there are that are based on corruption, blackmail, humiliation, forced domination, rape... It's insane, there are many, many of those.

I don't like talking about other games in threads that are from other games. So I'll do it quick. In Where the Heart Is, we have complete freedom to decide whether to convince Lily to be intimate with Debbie. You can do it if you want, or you can not do it if you don't want to.
Same with Katie, you can choose if you want her to develop a bisexual / lesbian trend. And if you don't want to, nothing happens. I chose not to incite them to anything. And the foursome scene between the MC, Debbie, Lily and Katie that I got in which neither developed bisexual tendencies, was still epic. And I loved this, it is something to be very grateful for.

And finally, there is a game called Project ATMOSPHERE. There is a character in which her romantic route is exclusively femdom. And it is amazing. So far, it never comes down to humiliation and the MC loves it. The dialogues in these scenes let us know that the MC is very comfortable with this and he enjoys it a lot and I liked this. Same with bisexual characters. You can choose if you want to see this content or not.

I have also discussed that with some developers. Whenever a developer and I write to each other personally, I make it clear that my opinion is entirely from a gamer's point of view. I have very basic programming and zero knowledge of 3D models, DaZ Studio, etc. That is why I always try to be as clear and friendly as possible. I literally have no idea what it's like to develop a video game. So yes, from a consumer point of view it is easy to say things, but we have no idea of the tremendous work involved.

The harem is optional here. I guess the reason all girls have bisexual tendencies is to make it easier to develop the harem. Although personally, I am one of those who prefers to "not mix flavors" and romance the girls totally separately. And in my case it is curious. I am a woman, and I am also a lesbian. And obviously I enjoy lesbian porn, but not in a game where the MC is a male. But that so many games abuse that magically all the girls are willing to try a vagina, I don't like it. 80% of my female friends are straight. Where can I get all my friends to be lesbian / bisexual?
And I've already let the developer know, the game has a lot more things that I like than I don't. This is without a doubt one of the games that I am most interested in playing.

 

[zger]

I'm always getting the same bug every time i try to work, buy clothes etc. "Tuple object does not support item assignment".

tell more about that bug. u started fresh game or loaded old save. playing on pc/mac/android? mb using some mods like unren or anything else?

 

[alextp2651]

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[Vhaerun]

Regarding your error:

The guy that handles that stuff isn't online right now. Most of the errors we are running into involve someone playing with an old save (pre-Update #1), which couldn't carry over to Update #1. If that isn't it, you're likely to get a better answer in a few hours.

 

[Fount of Verbosity]

How exactly do you message Alex in the morning. Going her message section on the phone does nothing.

After chossing her in messages press yellow message at bottom of phone(atleast in android version goes this way)

Apparently, yellow text messages (to start a conversation) only appear on a particular day of the week. On the PC version, I kept checking every "MORNING" until it showed up on the next TUESDAY.

 

[tsunku]

I really hope this is not going to be a forced 3-some I for one would not like that at all - I would really like to stay with Julia alone without the others involved - please let me know if the MC will be allowed to make this choice so I can make a decision to stop playing or not

why not a foursome? sophia getting eaten out by alex who is getting eaten out by julia who you are banging!

 

[BGRW2020]

I would just once like a story where the guy MC is not going for all the girls - never in my life have I seen anyone who successfully screwed an entire family - a bar tender and several other girls he met and got away with it from all the girls - women are just not that stupid
Also I agree with the comment made that you should be able to say NO to any and all of them if you want to and end the crap that follows with all but one of them

 

[BGRW2020]

why not a foursome? sophia getting eaten out by alex who is getting eaten out by julia who you are banging!

A big fat NO to that

 

[yiyechenluo]

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Keyerror, I think it should be 'neutral', not 'default'.

 

[Deleted member 1543227]

Anyone can share savegames?

 

[tsunku]

A big fat NO to that

why? they could even do it as a daisy chain!
if you played the game you know alex and julia are into it and mom is pretty damned freaky herself so it could happen.

 

[MalchorX]

i think its some evening in her room. mb thursday?

zger, thanks for help

 

[ShirouryuuAkihito]

Hated the backstory Of Julia ...dropping this!

 

[WhiteWolf34Uk]

someone know when update 3 will come? just wondee

 

[alextp2651]

someone know when update 3 will come? just wondee

if its like the update1 to update 2 maybe two months

 

[Ragnar]

thats what im saying. as updates come theres gonna be less and less reason to use skip button

That's not how it works because the game is going forward day by day. New updates mean more grind days to get the new content. You're just adding more grind on top of the previous one with every update.
Change the sandbox-stats for plain Visual Novel and you will get rid of hours doing the same repetitive tasks.

 

[zger]

That's not how it works because the game is going forward day by day. New updates mean more grind days to get the new content. You're just adding more grind on top of the previous one with every update.
Change the sandbox-stats for plain Visual Novel and you will get rid of hours doing the same repetitive tasks.

what i ment is that when theres more side content game not gonna feel empty. theres always going to be something to do. and im pretty sure theres lots of ppl who enjoy playing sandbox type of games and dont like vns and im one of them

 

[Vhaerun]

That's not how it works because the game is going forward day by day. New updates mean more grind days to get the new content. You're just adding more grind on top of the previous one with every update.
Change the sandbox-stats for plain Visual Novel and you will get rid of hours doing the same repetitive tasks.

Newer updates don't contain "more days", just more content. If a player starts a new game now, they should be able to get through most everything in a few in-game weeks. Yes, there are days/times that feel empty simply because this is, basically, a 0.2 version. As more updates are released, more of those gaps are going to fill up.

The great sandbox games have very little to no gaps or downtime. Our goal is to do the same in terms of having something to do, but that takes time -- each of us have day jobs we have to deal with. Give us some time... let us try and make something spectacular.