Ren'Py Abandoned Apartment 96 [Update 3] [YTV Productions]

[Joyce Harding]

100% agreed and this is where the weirdness only starts for me (check out my analysis under the spoiler button on the previous page). Part of me hopes this was a set-up for a psychological horror story with kinky themes so I can say: well yeah that way it makes sense and from a certain POV it's well done. Because I don't know what the point was for sure I'm withholding judgment until the second release.

That would be interesting, wouldn't it be something if Martin was a made up person?

 

[Spfjolietjake]

That's sort of a ludicrous way of testing someone's trust and honesty but that's just my opinion. As far as the Julia being "broken" comment I think people are going to have a problem with the fact that the mc wasn't first in line to make love to Julia. I myself, don't care because it happened before we arrived but I heard comments about her being Martin's sloppy seconds or what not. Some feel like she's damaged and mc is their to fix what was "broken" .

I meant planted the idea not the clothing items. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

 

[Havik79]

Not bad, enjoyable, wasn't expecting that ending, not sure I want Alex, definitely, Julia, love me some ginger.

 

[TheRavenUK]

Where is footjob scene?

I wondered this as well. No sign of it on my playthrough. Great start though, enjoyed this.

 

[Why Am I Even Here?]

That's sort of a ludicrous way of testing someone's trust and honesty but that's just my opinion. As far as the Julia being "broken" comment I think people are going to have a problem with the fact that the mc wasn't first in line to make love to Julia. I myself, don't care because it happened before we arrived but I heard comments about her being Martin's sloppy seconds or what not. Some feel like she's damaged and mc is their to fix what was "broken" .

But (re the planting of conspicuous objects and the eldest sister's intentions, tbh this exchange confuses me) not unlikely considering the other suspicious factors (see below). In all honesty and with a decent amount of realism, that relationship with the youngest sister, if consistent with the alleged story, would suck and MC would be more of a therapist than anything else. I've seen this happen before in games where the guy is treated like Jesus resurrected and the result always is more than slightly creepy to say the least. I seriously doubt the ginger is that messed up (in that way, in others I think this whole family is batshit insane) though and there's other motives at play here.

That would be interesting, wouldn't it be something if Martin was a made up person?

I'm not saying I want this to be the case, but to me that's the most straightforward way for this story to make sense. Just consider the following: it starts off extremely puritanically with strict rules. After being present for just two or three conversations the mom suddenly drops her rules and pimps out her daughters to you. The eldest daughter starts perving on MC even though she appears frigid. The youngest one appears cool but it's the eldest one who spills the beans (the youngest one had consensual sex a few times she didn't regret until mom knew). They get another guy as their tenant despite having oh so much problems with another young guy shortly before. The fact they need the money is not an excuse, it makes the other happenings even more suspicious. Suddenly the mom wants you to be her sex toy. Without any kind of emotional or physical bonding processes you end up with the offer of a fuckfest as long as mom who decides to own your PP at the exact same moment doesn't know (yeah right, totally no way this is all too convenient, can backfire or can serve as a bargaining or blackmailing tool). MC seems incredibly naive and the fact is this all happened so quickly within like what, about a week and the main escalation within 24h. It's like they set this up with complete premeditation. They totally disarmed MC by textbook gaslighting him into not being like this other guy, that is someone who follows his own motivations, takes initiative of his own accord, has sexual feelings, kinks (a BJ, ooh, creepy) and desires that don't suit the girls' whims. Whether I would like this sort of outcome is another thing, but it's the one that would be narratively consistent, and I'm feeling both worried and intrigued by where this could go. The easy explanation could be that the writing simply isn't that good so far and the writer skipped a lot of plot and whole character arcs we ought to get to experience.

I didn't say anything earlier because I didn't want to be wrong in case there's a combination of choices to make it happen, but no, I haven't encountered a footjob, for anyone who wonders.

 

[Davewatch]

Twice I have had mention of a BJ but I didn't find it, where who was that?

 

[L Smith]

In my opinion, the beginning was perfect! can't wait to see it complete!

 

[Havik79]

Hang on, the girls mentioned seeing others, does that mean there is going to be ntr because if there is I am out.

 

[Why Am I Even Here?]

Twice I have had mention of a BJ but I didn't find it, where who was that?

Since no one else replied somehow, let me help you out. It only gets mentioned. If you want to know the context: you can find a hidden journal wherein it's stated the previous tenant wanted to get a BJ from the ginger while they were in a relationship together and he suggested the girl watch some porn to learn how. Then MC goes: errmerrgerrd, that's so evil, weird and wrong. A truly heinous act. LOL this narrative.

Hang on, the girls mentioned seeing others, does that mean there is going to be ntr because if there is I am out.

That's what the girls state they want so far, yeah, however implausible that sounds in the case of the ginger. I'm still prepared for all this being a psyop.

 

[Davewatch]

Since no one else replied somehow, let me help you out. It only gets mentioned. If you want to know the context: you can find a hidden journal wherein it's stated the previous tenant wanted to get a BJ from the ginger while they were in a relationship together and he suggested the girl watch some porn to learn how. Then MC goes: errmerrgerrd, that's so evil, weird and wrong. A truly heinous act. LOL this narrative.

That's what the girls state they want so far, yeah, however implausible that sounds in the case of the ginger. I'm still prepared for all this being a psyop.

AHHH I see I thought I had missed a scene, Thanks for that.

 

[Bobby Boucher]

Despite some annoyances I’m gonna hold off on discarding this game. Still think that there should be a as to which girl we get to date.

 

[Meridian]

Julias stuff is a textbook case of "too much information" lol. Knowing she had previous relationships is fine and dandy but reading the guys pov how he used her only for her body, how he undressed and did whatever he wants to her while she was drunk feels very icky.

Though the whole idea of taking advantage of drunk Julia was the most exciting thing in this game so far for me. Is mc gonna be able to do some dark shit or he is gonna be vanilla good boy type of character?

 

[Why Am I Even Here?]

Julias stuff is a textbook case of "too much information" lol. Knowing she had previous relationships is fine and dandy but reading the guys pov how he used her only for her body, how he undressed and did whatever he wants to her while she was drunk feels very icky.

Though the whole idea of taking advantage of drunk Julia was the most exciting thing in this game so far for me. Is mc gonna be able to do some dark shit or he is gonna be vanilla good boy type of character?

Kek. Tfw you only regret you weren't the guy yourself, if that journal was legit at all.
As far as I'm concerned after all that nonsense: hockey mask time.

 

[Meridian]

Kek. Tfw you only regret you weren't the guy yourself, if that journal was legit at all.
As far as I'm concerned after all that nonsense: hockey mask time.

This game would actually be more fun if main character was like Martin but smarter.

 

[Why Am I Even Here?]

This game would actually be more fun if main character was like Martin but smarter.

That would be part of the solution. I wrote two analyses about the story itself on here plus one in my review, sometimes also with suggestions for how the characters could have developed instead. The big problems are the NPCs and not merely the MC here, but the NPCs are established unless we get a total remake. I hope there are dimensions to the daughters we haven't discovered, like something else that explains the eldest daughter's personality or which creates cute moments with the redhead. Though regarding MC, I'm totally open for two different routes: he gets a moment of illumination and it's hockey mask time, or they retcon the story further and it becomes a sappy love story or feels trip with a longer grind to something as "satanic" as a HJ (amirite, MC? ). There's no way I can see this proposition turn into something. So mom wants a piece of the pie but wants no hurt feefees (my jimmies already are in orbit going to the moon and beyond, ma'am), the daughters both want some too despite both of them being mad over commitment, the youngest one still blushes when asked out for a date (oh, teehee - teeheehee) but the eldest one has no problem with sleeping around and still they're on the same mission, and suddenly (or...? I can't even follow at this point) they go bi-cest, new characters will be introduced to complicate said arrangements... The writer will have to pull a load of bunnies out of his hat and there's indeed a number of ways to go. Deep inside I want there to be an actual surprising plot like we're seeing in development in other games at the moment and for it to be less of a straight-up orgy game from the get-go, but the most logical conclusion is MC agreeing to their proposition in the first actual chapter and it turning into a sandbox with characters and scenes you can completely avoid - and that may be good too. I'll try it for sure.

 

[drfronkonstinmd]

I'm definitely playing this through. I loved the art (LOVED IT, so refreshing to see a different kind of 3d cgi!!) and the plot was great with that slow burn in the beginning. It did feel weird when it went from "Don't touch my daugthers or I'll kill you" and "I don't trust you, don't touch my sister" to "Let's all fuck together in a bi-cest open relationship" in like a day, but I'm secretly hoping for a twist where they're all crazy sexual predators and the game is going to go full bonkers in a couple more days.

Anyway, I'm still very interested in finding out what's the real beef of the game if I'm actually going out with both sisters right after the prologue. Can't wait for the rest!!

 

[YogSothoth1982]

That would be part of the solution. I wrote two analyses about the story itself on here plus one in my review, sometimes also with suggestions for how the characters could have developed instead. The big problems are the NPCs and not merely the MC here, but the NPCs are established unless we get a total remake. I hope there are dimensions to the daughters we haven't discovered, like something else that explains the eldest daughter's personality or which creates cute moments with the redhead. Though regarding MC, I'm totally open for two different routes: he gets a moment of illumination and it's hockey mask time, or they retcon the story further and it becomes a sappy love story or feels trip with a longer grind to something as "satanic" as a HJ (amirite, MC? ). There's no way I can see this proposition turn into something. So mom wants a piece of the pie but wants no hurt feefees (my jimmies already are in orbit going to the moon and beyond, ma'am), the daughters both want some too despite both of them being mad over commitment, the youngest one still blushes when asked out for a date (oh, teehee - teeheehee) but the eldest one has no problem with sleeping around and still they're on the same mission, and suddenly (or...? I can't even follow at this point) they go bi-cest, new characters will be introduced to complicate said arrangements... The writer will have to pull a load of bunnies out of his hat and there's indeed a number of ways to go. Deep inside I want there to be an actual surprising plot like we're seeing in development in other games at the moment and for it to be less of a straight-up orgy game from the get-go, but the most logical conclusion is MC agreeing to their proposition in the first actual chapter and it turning into a sandbox with characters and scenes you can completely avoid - and that may be good too. I'll try it for sure.

I like the story at now. If the MC was like Martin I don't play the game. Reading the Diary the first sexual encounter with Julia sounds me like a rape, in fact I'm sure that was a rape (she is drunk or drug and he take advantage).

I prefer if this not change to somethig, as you say, "satanic".

In other had, I like romantic routes, and at now Alex's description of the relationship is more like "fuck friends". I'm not interested in advance the relationship with Alex, even more after all she said you, until be sure that you can at least not see all sharing thig (I'm not against sharing, in fact, I can enjoy some puntual sharing scenes, normally the ones that include the MC's couple with another couple, but if sharing is a regular thing that doesn't include the MC, I don't need to see or know about it, I prefer to ignore the people she dates. That said, I don't think I can see Alex as a romanceable girl, at least at now, and this make that I not really in her path)

 

[Why Am I Even Here?]

I like the story at now. If the MC was like Martin I don't play the game. Reading the Diary the first sexual encounter with Julia sounds me like a rape, in fact I'm sure that was a rape (she is drunk or drug and he take advantage).

I prefer if this not change to somethig, as you say, "satanic".

In other had, I like romantic routes, and at now Alex's description of the relationship is more like "fuck friends". I'm not interested in advance the relationship with Alex, even more after all she said you, until be sure that you can at least not see all sharing thig (I'm not against sharing, in fact, I can enjoy some puntual sharing scenes, normally the ones that include the MC's couple with another couple, but if sharing is a regular thing that doesn't include the MC, I don't need to see or know about it, I prefer to ignore the people she dates. That said, I don't think I can see Alex as a romanceable girl, at least at now, and this make that I not really in her path)

I don't recall Martin's own exact description word for word in the notepad right now (though, characters drinking and having casual sex absolutely is a staple of erotic games and also real life without anyone even imagining calling it rape before the current year's redefinitions and blurring of borders), but I do remember we didn't get the ginger's full side of the story, never mind any proof Martin exists or if he does, his own defense. The fact she still continued the relationship and went along with it all seriously refutes or at least diminishes the case of this being an actual rape and increases the possibility she only was sorry because mommy found out she wasn't as pure as she looked. I've talked more about this above. The biggest "trigger" moment actually wasn't the drunk sex at the party, but the fact Martin wanted a BJ and that the ginger would stop posing like a dead starfish in bed all the time by showing her porn. And who freaked out about that? Not the ginger in the relationship herself, but the frigid, creeping voyeuse who decided to rat her own sister out, maybe because of jealousy even, and who admits to sleeping around and not being able or willing to commit to a guy. Let that sink in and consider if Martin's truly eeeeviiiil by the standards of the story that follows next. That being said, it's my take the notepad was planted and all of this is a fake op. Who in his right mind uses a regular notepad without a lock or any other protection as a diary to just write down some sexual thoughts on the women you're living with to then later forget (not only that, it was left half visible in the open) said notepad when the reason because of which he allegedly left was intrinsically tied to the elements contained in the notebook? Also note the room must have been checked after his leaving and something standing out as obviously as this must have been spotted by the girls. This either comes across as shoehorned writing or in my sincere opinion, one fails to analyze the situation if one doesn't find this at least suspicious. If this was a detective game and I was a cop or PI, I'd go so far to assume planted or tampered evidence. Once the authenticity of the diary is questioned and some critical thinking reveals the claims go further than the presented evidence, everything rests on the vague word of three women living under the same roof who could have agreed on this story and who so far give off the impression they're trapping young gullible men for organ harvesting or something similar. The writer wants us to believe them because wehmen and both MC and the (assumedly male) player are assumed to be white knights who think with their peepee rather than with their brain. And believe me, women know this and it often is extremely easy to manipulate men into doing their bidding or believing their crazy stories.

FYI, when I said "satanic", that was meant humoristically to indicate the story's confusing mix of puritanism, virtue-signaling and pure debauchery with MC ending up as a passive object of something worse than what he tried to avoid even though he has an oversexed mind. The dude chastises Martin for wanting a BJ and better sex, but the hypocritical perv masturbated into a sock he stole from the girls right before that. The girls are equally bad or worse than him or even Martin in many ways. So that diary contains bad stuff is what people are saying, right? Well, then consider the fact both the mom and the eldest daughter are such puritanical hard-asses who forbid the MC from showing any unwanted attention and they got him by his balls. Then it turns out one daughter is a voyeuse, the other one having alleged traumas keeps you in her room for stupid software updates (and later gets nude and kinky asap, and then sexts you about watching porn) and the mom uses you like a dildo because of no reason at all. This gets topped off by the weird sex cult the prolog concludes with. It all truly boggles the mind when you start analyzing it and realize the gross gaslighting.

It's not just Alex saying that. It seems, from reading your message, you missed out on the fact BOTH sisters and also the mom want it to turn into a fuckfest, the only thing is the mom and the daughters haven't found out about each other (well, only allegedly. I think this is more manipulation/gaslighting and they do know since the mom pimps out her daughters to you in an earlier conversation). Even the ginger is in on and okay with this, which is one of my biggest criticisms of the story so far. The preceding attitudes and acts of being holier-than-thou and too innocent to be true literally don't matter and get retconned within the tiny timespan of this prolog. The polyamorous situation which heavily suggests NTR is the default outcome of the prolog regardless of any actions taken beforehand. It doesn't even matter if you don't like any of the kinks or don't take "romantic" paths, this game is the textbook example of railroading and fake choices, aka presenting a kinetic novel as something it's not - though the prolog was meant to be more linear.
It seems people don't understand this or the points above and perhaps they're just clicking on to get through the renders instead of playing and reading for the story too.

I'm definitely playing this through. I loved the art (LOVED IT, so refreshing to see a different kind of 3d cgi!!) and the plot was great with that slow burn in the beginning. It did feel weird when it went from "Don't touch my daugthers or I'll kill you" and "I don't trust you, don't touch my sister" to "Let's all fuck together in a bi-cest open relationship" in like a day, but I'm secretly hoping for a twist where they're all crazy sexual predators and the game is going to go full bonkers in a couple more days.
[snip snip]

Agreed on the models. That's the biggest graphical asset of the game so far. And it seems you like and hope for what I, quite honestly, fear, but it shows we're on the same level of understanding regarding where this story went and hinted at going so far. It isn't a slow burn at all though. MC was present for like three conversations and suddenly he's invited into a sex cult. Yeah, right.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

I don't recall Martin's own exact description word for word in the notepad right now (though, characters drinking and having casual sex absolutely is a staple of erotic games and also real life without anyone even imagining calling it rape before the current year's redefinitions and blurring of borders), but I do remember we didn't get the ginger's full side of the story, never mind any proof Martin exists or if he does, his own defense. The fact she still continued the relationship and went along with it all seriously refutes or at least diminishes the case of this being an actual rape and increases the possibility she only was sorry because mommy found out she wasn't as pure as she looked. I've talked more about this above. The biggest "trigger" moment actually wasn't the drunk sex at the party, but the fact Martin wanted a BJ and that the ginger would stop posing like a dead starfish in bed all the time by showing her porn. And who freaked out about that? Not the ginger in the relationship herself, but the frigid, creepy voyeuse bitch who decided to rat her own sister out, possibly because of jealousy even, and who admits to sleeping around and not being able or willing to commit to a guy. Let that sink in and consider if Martin's truly eeeeviiiil by the standards of the story that follows next. That being said, it's my take the notepad was planted and all of this is a fake op. Who in his right mind uses a regular notepad without a lock or any other protection as a diary to just write down some sexual thoughts on the women you're living with to then later forget (not only that, it was left half visible in the open) said notepad when the reason because of which he allegedly left was intrinsically tied to the elements contained in the notebook? Also note the room must have been checked after his leaving and something standing out as obviously as this must have been spotted by the girls. Seriously, this is either shoehorned writing or in my sincere opinion, one fails to analyze the situation if one doesn't find this at least extremely suspicious. If this was a detective game and I was a cop or PI, I'd go so far to assume planted or tampered evidence. Once the authenticity of the diary is questioned and some critical thinking reveals the claims go further than the presented evidence, everything rests on the vague word of three women living under the same roof who could have agreed on this story and who so far give off the impression they're trapping young gullible men for organ harvesting or something similar. The writer wants us to believe them because wehmen and both MC and the (assumedly male) player are assumed to be white knights who think with their peepee rather than with their brain. And believe me, women know this and it often is extremely easy to manipulate men into doing their bidding or believing their crazy stories.

FYI, when I said "satanic", that was meant sarcastically to indicate the story's confusing mix of puritanism, virtue-signaling and pure debauchery with MC ending up as a passive object of something worse than what he tried to avoid even though he has an oversexed mind. The dude chastises Martin for wanting a BJ and better sex, but the hypocritical perv masturbated into a sock he stole from the girls right before that. The girls are worse than him or even Martin in many ways. So that diary contains bad stuff is what people are saying, right? Well, then consider the fact both the mom and the eldest daughter are such puritanical hard-asses who forbid the MC from showing any unwanted attention and they got him by his balls. Then it turns out one daughter is a creepy voyeuse, the other keeps you in her room for stupid software updates and the mom uses you like a dildo because of no reason at all. This gets topped off by the creepy sex cult the prolog concludes with. It all truly boggles the mind when you start analyzing it and realize the gross gaslighting.

It's not just Alex saying that. It seems, from reading your message, you missed out on the fact BOTH sisters and also the mom want it to turn into a fuckfest, the only thing is the mom and the daughters haven't found out about each other (well, only allegedly. I think this is more manipulation/gaslighting and they do know since the mom pimps out her daughters to you in an earlier conversation). Even the ginger is in on and okay with this, which is one of my biggest criticisms of the story so far. The preceding attitudes and acts of being holier-than-thou and too innocent to be true literally don't matter and get retconned within the tiny timespan of this prolog. The polyamorous situation which heavily suggests NTR is the default outcome of the prolog regardless of any actions taken beforehand. It doesn't even matter if you don't like any of the kinks or don't take "romantic" paths, this game is the textbook example of railroading and fake choices, aka presenting a kinetic novel as something it's not.
It seems people don't understand this or the points above and perhaps they're just clicking on to get through the renders instead of playing and reading for the story too.

Really, you are thinking to much about the game. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and squawks like a duck, then it's probably a duck. It's posible that the Dev advance the story in the line that he did in the prologue, without any strange change. But I can be wrong. I'd rather wait and see what the developer is thinking. I have some bad experiences with dev changing the story in the middle of a game... personally I prefer that if the story is something dark, mysterious or anything else, it appears at the beginning.

On the other hand, taking advantage of a person under the influence of alcohol or drugs (man or woman, it's the same),
when he or she is almost unconscious, is a violation. I have always seen it as a violation, and I will not change my mind because now there is one movement or another that defend that or the opposite. And a traumatic experience can explain all the stuff that appears in the game (Julia's behavior during the "relationship" with Martin as her current behavior) without need a conspiration. At least is that I think.

Well, Alex, if I not read wrong, is the only that really wants this thing of sharing, and, Julia don't really is interesting in date with other men (or women). But the problem isn't the sharing, I'm not against this, is how she said the thing, me feeling is that she wants a fuck friend not a romantic relation, but I may not have understood well (English is not my first language, something I guess you already knew reading my posts). About the mother, I don't really have an idea about she wants, I will wait and see.

Normally I try all options in a game to see if something change if I take one route or another, in this case I don't see any change (posible the points of each character is the only thing that really changes, but I haven't checked that) Only the last sexual scene, that you don't have if not say the correct lines and some apparently irrelevant things.

 

[Why Am I Even Here?]

Really, you are thinking to much about the game. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and squawks like a duck, then it's probably a duck. It's posible that the Dev advance the story in the line that he did in the prologue, without any strange change. But I can be wrong. I'd rather wait and see what the developer is thinking. I have some bad experiences with dev changing the story in the middle of a game... personally I prefer that if the story is something dark, mysterious or anything else, it appears at the beginning.

On the other hand, taking advantage of a person under the influence of alcohol or drugs (man or woman, it's the same),
when he or she is almost unconscious, is a violation. I have always seen it as a violation, and I will not change my mind because now there is one movement or another that defend that or the opposite. And a traumatic experience can explain all the stuff that appears in the game (Julia's behavior during the "relationship" with Martin as her current behavior) without need a conspiration. At least is that I think.

Well, Alex, if I not read wrong, is the only that really wants this thing of sharing, and, Julia don't really is interesting in date with other men (or women). But the problem isn't the sharing, I'm not against this, is how she said the thing, me feeling is that she wants a fuck friend not a romantic relation, but I may not have understood well (English is not my first language, something I guess you already knew reading my posts). About the mother, I don't really have an idea about she wants, I will wait and see.

Normally I try all options in a game to see if something change if I take one route or another, in this case I don't see any change (posible the points of each character is the only thing that really changes, but I haven't checked that) Only the last sexual scene, that you don't have if not say the correct lines and some apparently irrelevant things.

I'm unsure what the point is of quoting me and then complaining I'm thinking about the game and formulating my opinion when I'm replying to you, but I'm not about to go off on tangents. I simply care about the story as well.
To keep it simple: a) either there are deficiencies, weird jumps in the writing department imo and I've not been alone on this, b) these aren't deficiencies, but set-ups for story twists, and some commenters in this thread hope actually hope for those twists. I'm just open to be impressed, but in equal parts concerned.
By the way, you really did misunderstand the sisters' position. I just reread the final part of the VN after you choose to have a private conversation with one of them. Julia's side escalates even more quickly and they both want the same thing. Good or bad, it's curious anyhow considering the Martin subplot and this is one of the reasons why I started asking questions.