RPGM Completed Arenus [v1.1G] [Arvus Games]

[onyxmoose]

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"Reworked Arenus big time. The progression is now way more horizontal than vertical which fixed a lot of issues but there's still a ton of stuff to unlock everywhere. Can't wait for you folks to try it."

And more info on patreon, but i can't see it.

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Hey folks,
today we're going to talk about the progress we made on Arenus.
Reworking Arenus
The feedback we've got from you guys on the demo was great, but there was also a lot of ideas and suggestions on how to improve the game. As a dev you often play and approach your game different than as a player, so thanks for all the helpful feedback!
Bad RNG should never punish the player
The first thing we've reworked was the RNG aspects of the game. Bad RNG shouldn't punish you and in the final version it won't. It's frustrating to have a bad run because of bad luck and simply bad game design. The next part will explain how we did so.

Horizontal Progression vs. Vertical Progression


If you've played the demo you probably felt the following questions while playing:

Am I doing everything right?
I feel like i'm missing something.
Is this the right choice in the long run?

Eliminating those questions was my main priority since the release of the demo. It took me a while to understand that the best way to do so is by switching to a more horizontal progression system.

What does that mean?
After each Arena fight most of the training bars return to zero and you have to choose on how to train your gladiator for the next fight. Customization being the new focus of the management aspect of Arenus.
Of course there will be bit of vertical progression. The skilltree remains, though heavily changed. For example you can invest a point to make sure that the power bar never goes below a certain level etc.
I can guarantee that you folks will like those changes, I do myself. And I say this as a gamer, not as a dev. The game feels unique and its just fun to try out different builds for each fight.

Massive changes but it doesn't stop there, we've added way more new features to the game. Such a new UI so you can see more details and open the menu with your mouse. We're experimenting with ways to make 100% mouse gameplay possible too.
We've added a civilian engine (which we've mentioned before) to make the streets more alive, added so many mini gameplay loops so there's something to discover every day in Arenus and we're generally super thrilled to share this new version of Arenus with you.

Thanks for your support and patience!

Next month we'll release the Oakshire rebuild update for Roundscape! Stay tuned!

- Kal

 

[Porn_Jesus]

Does someone know when the original release date of Arenus was? I lost track about that because the devs are not reliable when it comes to that. x__x

 

[jems242]

I think when you start this current demo or the previous one the game was supposed to have the full voice acting and complete game Q4 2020?

 

[Azero]

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Hey folks,
today we're going to talk about the progress we made on Arenus.
Reworking Arenus
The feedback we've got from you guys on the demo was great, but there was also a lot of ideas and suggestions on how to improve the game. As a dev you often play and approach your game different than as a player, so thanks for all the helpful feedback!
Bad RNG should never punish the player
The first thing we've reworked was the RNG aspects of the game. Bad RNG shouldn't punish you and in the final version it won't. It's frustrating to have a bad run because of bad luck and simply bad game design. The next part will explain how we did so.

Horizontal Progression vs. Vertical Progression


If you've played the demo you probably felt the following questions while playing:

Eliminating those questions was my main priority since the release of the demo. It took me a while to understand that the best way to do so is by switching to a more horizontal progression system.

What does that mean?
After each Arena fight most of the training bars return to zero and you have to choose on how to train your gladiator for the next fight. Customization being the new focus of the management aspect of Arenus.
Of course there will be bit of vertical progression. The skilltree remains, though heavily changed. For example you can invest a point to make sure that the power bar never goes below a certain level etc.
I can guarantee that you folks will like those changes, I do myself. And I say this as a gamer, not as a dev. The game feels unique and its just fun to try out different builds for each fight.

Massive changes but it doesn't stop there, we've added way more new features to the game. Such a new UI so you can see more details and open the menu with your mouse. We're experimenting with ways to make 100% mouse gameplay possible too.
We've added a civilian engine (which we've mentioned before) to make the streets more alive, added so many mini gameplay loops so there's something to discover every day in Arenus and we're generally super thrilled to share this new version of Arenus with you.

Thanks for your support and patience!

Next month we'll release the Oakshire rebuild update for Roundscape! Stay tuned!

- Kal

thank mate, you are the real mvp

 

[valaid]

does anyone know when the update will be available?

 

[rtcD]

shame about the game, anyone know similarish scifi games?

 

[Dracula Belmont]

I think when you start this current demo or the previous one the game was supposed to have the full voice acting and complete game Q4 2020?

If I had 20k monthly i would deliver such game in 1 year but I guess the author who loves to ban people for criticism on their server probably need more for his personal stuff I mean development needs

 

[Experimantal]

If I had 20k monthly i would deliver such game in 1 year but I guess the author who loves to ban people for criticism on their server probably need more for his personal stuff I mean development needs

While I can understand being hurt that a game takes a long time to make and that they announced the game too early, causing lot of delays to be visible, spreading false rumors about bans of people giving criticism is just evil, people who get banned there are breaking the rules repeatidly (WW2 germany related stuff, spam, harassment) and the person (mod or dev) throwing the banhammer must give the reason to everyone as to be transparent and not shadowban...

 

[Azero]

twitter news:

"We're happy to announce that Arenus will be released on the 15th September 2021. It's been a long road but we're almost there."

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[Deleted member 690333]

While I can understand being hurt that a game takes a long time to make and that they announced the game too early, causing lot of delays to be visible, spreading false rumors about bans of people giving criticism is just evil, people who get banned there are breaking the rules repeatidly (WW2 germany related stuff, spam, harassment) and the person (mod or dev) throwing the banhammer must give the reason to everyone as to be transparent and not shadowban...

what do you expect for a dude who calls people "sheep" for liking roundscape LMAO dude is a clown

 

[rtcD]

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"We're happy to announce that Arenus will be released on the 15th September 2021. It's been a long road but we're almost there."

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so the demo is like 90% of the content ?

 

[Azero]

so the demo is like 90% of the content ?

IDK, game has been rework recently.

I hope we can always have the three main girls

 

[DarkInsigniax]

While I can understand being hurt that a game takes a long time to make and that they announced the game too early, causing lot of delays to be visible, spreading false rumors about bans of people giving criticism is just evil, people who get banned there are breaking the rules repeatidly (WW2 germany related stuff, spam, harassment) and the person (mod or dev) throwing the banhammer must give the reason to everyone as to be transparent and not shadowban...

I understand that you're the mod in Arvus Games's discord server, however the accusations aren't entirely false. The server has its flaws, as any server has. I don't mean to throw shade at Kal at all, he's been a nice dude towards me in general.

However, I've been shadowbanned before by "Matinee", the main artist for Arvus's upcoming game (The one with the elf, can't remember what it was called) due to a dispute over the fact that Matinee became overly obsessed/enraged with the entire "bowsette" fad at the time. I said it was stupid to be so obsessed over, or something in that regard and got banned got told I know nothing about the subject.

I made a comment(not rulebreaking or anything) on the Arvus server about it (Which of course I should have just kept to DM), but immediately got banned by him over there too. I personally had to try and contact Kaliyo to hope and get back in. Had a small DM conversation with "Matinee", and we had a "nice" conversation, I got called an autist and got blocked. I mean of course I wasn't nice to him either considering he just banned me twice and acted completely ridiculous, but still you'd expect some professionalism from a moderator in that group.
I mentioned Matinee calling me an autist and blocking me to one of the mods, which asked me to not mention it to Kal, which I thus did not do.

Sure, this was a couple of years ago.. but I've seen people get banned fairy recently, simply for having the name "naziboi99" or something along those lines. Kal DID say that the user also have an offensive profile picture, which was in fact not the case, and he asked me to not continue pressing about it because he wasn't in the mood/was tired. I did have proof that the image wasn't offensive at all too, as I looked found his profile through the server.
The user himself had not said ANYTHING in the server beforehand, it was a lurker.

Honestly I'd expect to at least ask for a name change or force one since the user hasn't shown any negative behavior before and you know paid to support the group.
I know Kal is from Germany so sure, nazi stuff can hit a bit harder there, but I never agreed that that would excuse the ban.

There was also the weird banning of I-AM-YOUR-FATHER, which got banned for posting too many NSFW images in the NSFW image channel. Which I'd understand if the warning was consistent, except iirc one time he got told it was fine, the other time it was not. I know that user wasn't the easiest one to have in the server, he had trouble reading the room amongst other things at times, but I didn't see anything that'd warrant a ban. Including the time he posted a video which turned out to be fairly gory, claiming he hadn't seen till the end so he couldn't have known. Which afaik was a first time mistake, and honestly I'd expect some leniency/benefit of the doubt to someone who had supported the game for a looooooooong time.

All in all, although I personally left the discord server and stopped supporting the group, partly due to these issues, I don't have an issue with them at all.
But when I see a moderator of theirs calling someone evil and a liar(although arguably the guy you were talking to isn't being a top tier human being either), I feel the need to step in.
What he said isn't entirely based on lies, and I think it's important to understand and grow from even the negative feedback you're getting than simply deflecting it.

 

[Experimantal]

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I am not denying that the server has flaws, like you said, all have, and I could go case by case basis for each of your example (except the Matinee one, as I have no data on it and it seem personnal with you and them etc.) with more details on situation and details you overlooked a little in your explanations. But, had the person talked about unfair banning in general, I'd have not reacted as it's up to personal opinion, but saying that criticism gets you banned, when the devs want to work with the community to better the game (Roundscape being example), while calling others sheeps, I had to react. Though I admit, the way I phrased it felt deflecty, which wasn't the goal, as I simply wanted that criticism itself wasn't something people got banned for, not that people never got banned, my bad.

Sorry to hear you had been shadowbanned before, maybe it is following it that now every ban must be justified and explained publicly (after all, rules and behaviors evolve as loopholes are discovered) and that the whole ordeal left a bad taste in your mouth. Not trying to change your mind, mind you, honestly feeling sorry on a personal level here

 

[DarkInsigniax]

I am not denying that the server has flaws, like you said, all have, and I could go case by case basis for each of your example (except the Matinee one, as I have no data on it and it seem personnal with you and them etc.) with more details on situation and details you overlooked a little in your explanations

Don't think I overlooked details, especially on the Matinee case and the Naziboi case. But sure.

 

[Experimantal]

Don't think I overlooked details, especially on the Matinee case and the Naziboi case. But sure.

Now, while a forum isn't the place to discuss this, the server is public too so I'll keep it short... As I said, for the Matinee one, I can't talk of. For Naziboi, Kal himself admited he reacted too quickly and should have asked him to change his name before anything, now lurkers are left alone and if aren't lurkers, asked to change the offensive content.

For I-AM, he had gotten multiple warnings, and kept pushing the bar further and further seeing where he could get, which gave him even more warning. After enough warning, the gore thing was just the drop that made the vase overflow. And mind you, I say that as a friend of I-AM, and he himself said he understood and accepted the ban when I talked to him.

 

[DarkInsigniax]

Now, while a forum isn't the place to discuss this, the server is public too so I'll keep it short... As I said, for the Matinee one, I can't talk of. For Naziboi, Kal himself admited he reacted too quickly and should have asked him to change his name before anything, now lurkers are left alone and if aren't lurkers, asked to change the offensive content.

For I-AM, he had gotten multiple warnings, and kept pushing the bar further and further seeing where he could get, which gave him even more warning. After enough warning, the gore thing was just the drop that made the vase overflow. And mind you, I say that as a friend of I-AM, and he himself said he understood and accepted the ban when I talked to him.

I guess we had two entirely different conversation with him, it's the complete opposite on my end and I've got the entire convo to back that up
But yes, like I said I don't have issues with Kal or anything. So I'll leave it at this.

PS: It may not be about who's right, but it's about who's speaking the truth.
PSPS: Also REALLY weird for you to use the "As a friend" position even though you haven't talked in months and only chatted a couple of times. That's very VERY shady. I know, because I just confirmed =)

 

[Experimantal]

I guess we had two entirely different conversation with him, it's the complete opposite on my end and I've got the entire convo to back that up

Well I do have convo too to back it up, but it's not a challenge of who's right But yeah I hope I explained properly why I reacted to Dracula

 

[jems242]

If the actual game they are working on has like 200% content than this current demo it could be good, if it has a tiny bit more than we have now, rework of the system and 3 characters it's going to be trash

 

[Experimantal]

If the actual game they are working on has like 200% content than this current demo it could be good, if it has a tiny bit more than we have now, rework of the system and 3 characters it's going to be trash

Demo was supposed to be just act 1 out of 4, the rework is for the gameplay loop so that the player doesn't feel punished. So in the full, last time I checked, was can be expected is 4 times the story content appoximately, more NPCs, more quests, 3 companions, companions personnal side quest and more (minigames if it wasn't scrapped)

The demo took time due to the whole core of the game being made, it's like with many games, once you got the core engine running, adding story, events, quests etc. Is way faster