Well, to be honest no other fetish was attacked as brutal as NTR when Eric first appeared (every thread of every game). It's rather popular and natural in most settings so I wouldn't say it's a bad thing even for those who aren't into it. Implementation is definitely tricky but doable. I know a dev who does it pretty damn good in his game about babysitting. And his NTR characters are much more assholish (as writing is much better) than poor David. But all things should be balanced unless dev is creating specific fetish focused game
Yeah, first versions were RPGM but were ditched as it doesn't work well with such an UI. Honestly I don't feel like Alex gave in to patrons' pressure but I would say he's just poor when it comes to game design and coding. AI has the weirdest gameplay style amongst all these BB type games so it became clunky. Double protags are really hard to handle and maybe except for Dual Family it rarely works. David as Eric-type of NPC would be better for me as NTR fan as it would make Alex's gameplay somewhat reasonable. Now it's really unbalanced. But when it comes to realism remember that Weinstein is a real-life case
Thanks for the kind words, gonna make me fall for your NTR lovin' ass.
Anyhow. We've had some of these discussions elsewhere, but I do think you consistently overstate the popularity of NTR. I think it is something that those who love REALLY love, a pretty sizeable percentage are neutral to it, and those who hate it, hate it even more than those who love it because of the emotional reaction it engenders. Which is why I always say that the tag should read: NTR - Use with caution
Imagine NTR as an industrial cleaner. If you use it on the right surface, it gets the job done perfectly, the floor can handle it, the stains are gone, and everyone is happy, except those who can't take the smell I suppose.
But if you use it on the wrong surface, you ruin it. No one is happy, well except for the people who like the smell I suppose.
The reason I was so fascinated by this in the first place was because it kinda is the perfect example of side creep, but of an irresponsible (Ok, overstating for lak of a better term, but you get the idea) use of something NTR adjacent.
Instead of talking about all this non-sense... we should be focusing in the future or the failures of the last update.
I'm the only one that thinks that David taking photos of Ala was a missed oportunity?
The sex scenes got good renders, but the writing sucked.
Tanya entering the model business may be good... for David, obviously.
We have been talking about that actually. Talking about it a lot. Many people feel that the future stuff with Alex and Tasha is tainted because it goes against her previous characterizations. I agree the sex scenes needed work. The renders were pretty good all around, but the posing needed work. I also thought the Alex/Ala shit wasn't particularly impressive. Part of the problem with the David story is that honestly we have no sense of drama or accomplishment at all with it. It just happens, there is little to no build up, and it is thrown in our faces.
The Ala stuff moves nothing forward in Alex's story with her either. Ala is the same person at the end of this that she was when she fucked him for the first time ages ago. We learn nothing new about Tanya, in fact the only character development if you could call it tht would be with Tasha, and it is quite negative in my opinion.
Not because she fucks David per se (keep having to repeat this point) but because but because we don't get a good feel for her at all when she is out with David. It also, as you have even admitted makes her come off as a bitch and a slut. And those aren't words I use lightly. It reframes her character as stringing the protagonist along until the next dick with more money comes along, and honestly, if he were going that route, he should have built it up better. Because it does not seem like the same character we had before. I'm not the only one to notice this.
So assuming the David shit is NOT optional I feel people who don't like him will probably end up jumping ship at that point. Because then the rest of the game is, about banging a girl that a lot of people won't even want to bother with. And if you're a David fan where else do you go with her as a character other than a full corruption route?
Enough discussion for you?
Sigh... what an annoying guy you are, Burty...
David is only the antagonist if you are rooting for the virginal loser teen.
He's a co-protagonist... and I agree, the concept was badly delivered and still has some problems.
But that doesn't make David less of a co-protagonist from the moment that it was implemented.
If you think otherwise and you are still mad... then you are a frigging bad player.
How did you let the "bad guy" win? Are you dense?
And no, I'm not saying that be should not discuss the game...
My point is that this is NOT A NEW FEATURE.
David has been in the game for MONTHS but people are complaining NOW... like what the fucking fuck?
You knew way before downloading this update that David's path was the focus.
Yet you still downloaded it and played... are you hurt in the head?
It's like knowing that a hammer can destroy your finger, then choosing to bang said hammer against your finger and later suing the company that built the hammer because DAMN it broke your finger.
If you didn't like David, what the hell are you doing still here?
Look I am not being pedantic here. Protagonist has a very specific meaning. It is the main character in the game, the character that the story is about first and foremost. True, in some cases there can be multiple protagonists, like in Dual Family but this game is not that.
Beyond what I said before, which let's be honest you haven't refuted outside of an argument that boils down to "David is a protagonist because I like him better." A lot of people like Joker better than Batman, that doesn't make him the protagonist. That's not how it works.
God, I can't believe I'm going here but fuck it. Alex is actually a hero archetype. I mean he's a shitty person, but follow me here. He starts from nothing, is called to adventure (fucking Tasha) and has a Dragon to slay in David. The goals for him are set immediately. David is the obstacle he has to overcome, and that's what you try to do.
David is not that. David has no obstacles. Ala doesn't actually do shit against him in any way the player would care about, and everything he does, whether you play as him or not is about fucking over his son in one way or the other. But unlike Alex, the power dynamic is tilted completely in his favor. Nothing David does is a challenge. He isn't worried about a thing, he has it all under control at all times. He has nowhere to go.
Alex has to jump through 1000 hoops to get any sex at all. David makes a phone call. And every one of those phone calls is either to fuck over his son or get his wife off his back.
Alex has to win a drinking game multiple times to get anywhere.
David has to ask about 6 times.
That's why he's the antagonist. He has the advantages, his entire purpose in the game was to be the Eric, to stand in the player's way. I mean Eric was a shit show, but can you imagine what would have happened if say HE had taken Lisa's virginity? It would have been insane.
And you can talk about why this wasn't mentioned before and why people are going crazy now, and it's simple as fuck, and it's not your derogatory "waaah virgins" bullshit you say to make yourself feel better, or make people feel worse or what have you.
It's that this update, the point of no return was actually crossed. I mean yeah, it was like an 80% chance when 0.6 came out that David would fuck Tasha first, but up until this very update, Tasha did nothing with David that she didn't also do with Alex. It's a psychological thing, but it gave people hope that Alex would actually get there first. And for a lot of people, it sucks that he didn't. Fantasies are fantasies, they aren't logical. Yeah in the real world chances are your girl/boyfriend fucked someone before and that's that. But with fantasy you are playing with ideals.
I think this thread shows that having your fantasy dad fuck the fantasy girl that's been holding off on sex because she wants it to be special is not a part of that ideal.
It seems you see things very mechanically, so maybe you don't identify with Main Characters much, even ones that aren't carbon copies like Alex. But a lot of people do. He is the protagonist after all.
