Ren'Py Completed Babysitter [Final v0.2.2b] [T4bbo]

[Ignazzio]

Someone, most likely a team, will eventually hit it out of the park on all counts and become the EA of adult games.

Sure. Most likely more than one team. It's a given. But I doubt it's possible with Patreon's way of distribution. Who knows.

That's an important issue I pointed out a few weeks ago: yes, he is over $6000 dollars now, but only for 3 months. And even if that seems enough to some of you, it is not so easy to create a team out of nowhere if you still have to produce and have a job.

Ofc it's not easy. But to reach higher tier with this type of gameplay it's probably a must. I doubt he can attract enough attention with linear 5 minutes updates. But still, that might be enough for him. Hope I'm totally wrong

 

[Burt Reynolds Mustache]

The "i wanna fap " crowd is not going to enjoy this game, not until way in the future. It's a slow burn, i knew it when i dl it. what is a bit infuriating are the scenes thrown in to appease that crowd ( and by the looks of it, failing ) , while slowing down the narrative so much, that the "I want a story " crowd gets restless too. I get it it's just one guy, he must make some hard choices, but...

I guess, I just don't see much of a story that people here are defending. I'm not trying to single out this game, MOST of the games on this site have horrible stories that serve as nothing more than a set up for the sex scenes. Of the games here that aren't actual VNs, I can count on one hand those that have interesting stories, it's pretty much anything by tlaero and mortze, and DoD. A few others get by on their characters, like DmD, or by being silly as hell like the Artifact, but playing most of these for the story baffles me.

Often times the slower the burn the worse the story, because it draws things out incessantly.

there is really good discussion going.i agree the gameovers area nooying as shit and the sex is minimal BUT remember this is 0.0.7 not even 0.1. i really hope t4bbo can move the story far and pump out a lot more content in many more updates.i also agree the braching will be minimal and the scenes will pan out the same

Version numbers don't mean a whole lot. I've seen games that are 1.0 with 1/10 the content of this game. We have several days of game to base impressions off of, and the main impression is that it's a DmD clone with an OK premise. One that is overly punishing, and one that gates off its content in ways that are very unclear to the player. And even DMD threw scenes with D's friends to give us a bit of material.

 

[Jcj]

Ofc it's not easy. But to reach higher tier with this type of gameplay it's probably a must. I doubt he can attract enough attention with linear 5 minutes updates. But still, that might be enough for him. Hope I'm totally wrong

No no, as I said, he hasn't been many months with >$6000. Yet he has bought hardware now and trying to assemble a team, if you check his last post on patreon there's some sort of explanation too.

 

[Burt Reynolds Mustache]

yeah dreams of desire dating my daughter and the artifact are the only games i like that have decent story

I forgot to mention Ptolemy's stuff. While Dreaming of Dana has some strong characterization, and handles branches better than just about any game I've seen on this site, his real strong character work and story has been in Intimate Relations. It's probably the best take on the subject, which is saying something because I pretty much run through a lot of the heavy incest stuff because there aren't a ton of other options.

 

[Ignazzio]

No no, as I said, he hasn't been many months with >$6000. Yet he has bought hardware now and trying to assemble a team, if you check his last post on patreon there's some sort of explanation too.

Oh, that's fine in that case I guess. I missed that. So this update being small is justified a bit. I hope he will improve greatly tho. I really don't like linearity in such games

 

[User_166761]

People non ironically saying that Dreams of Desire has a good story . That game has the worst story among all popular games, easily. It's a blatant plot device to give easy CGs without having to write decent dialogue or iinteractions, just use spells. It's terrible and it has no depth other than a few cliches (mean older sister, warm younger sister).

 

[King Monkey Mon]

I forgot to mention Ptolemy's stuff. While Dreaming of Dana has some strong characterization, and handles branches better than just about any game I've seen on this site, his real strong character work and story has been in Intimate Relations. It's probably the best take on the subject, which is saying something because I pretty much run through a lot of the heavy incest stuff because there aren't a ton of other options.

honesty didnt like dreaming of dana which is a shocker since its a well liked game by many of my friends

 

[Darkaura]

handles branches better

It doesn't branch for shit, or else MC could skip the swingers and BDSM stuff, and last I looked, you had to play through that DNW.

the worst story

Yeah but the the other stuff (posing, renders, animations) is pretty damn good. And while the dialogue is really bad, the story, with the dream-walker stuff, shows promise.

 

[Burt Reynolds Mustache]

People non ironically saying that Dreams of Desire has a good story . That game has the worst story among all popular games, easily. It's a blatant plot device to give easy CGs without having to write decent dialogue or any interaction, just use spells. It's terrible.

Compared to the bulk of the stuff on here? It's friggen Shakespeare. You have questionable morality, you have a good interesting inciting incident, you have some mystery, you have a decent antagonist, you have a pretty good creepy factor at times. The characters aren't great, and the story is derisive of other work, but it moves along relatively well, and keeps it's main plot in focus. So while good is relative, yeah, it's one of the good ones.

Still nowhere near similar tones stuff like the Dreaming with Elsa series.

 

[Thornhill]

People non ironically saying that Dreams of Desire has a good story . That game has the worst story among all popular games, easily. It's a blatant plot device to give easy CGs without having to write decent dialogue or iinteractions, just use spells. It's terrible and it has no depth other than a few cliches (mean older sister, warm younger sister).

THIS ^^^^ What blew it for me was the whole "mmuahahaha, i have complete control, i can do anything, but best not fucking them ". I call bs on that.

 

[User_166761]

Compared to the bulk of the stuff on here? It's friggen Shakespeare. You have questionable morality, you have a good interesting inciting incident, you have some mystery, you have a decent antagonist, you have a pretty good creepy factor at times. The characters aren't great, and the story is derisive of other work, but it moves along relatively well, and keeps it's main plot in focus. So while good is relative, yeah, it's one of the good ones.

Still nowhere near similar tones stuff like the Dreaming with Elsa series.

Just because it adds some cliche supernatural stuff doesn't mean it's deeper or more developed than this game. Writing believable human interactions and dialogue is more laudable than shitty plot devices with edgy backgrounds like Dreams of Desire.

 

[Ignazzio]

Yeah Dreams Of Desire is great plotwise. You're a guy who can mindcontrol and fuck anyone so he choose to fuck his family. Convincing. Dana is much better written tho it's also totally not my cup of tea. At least Babysitter's setting is pretty cool even tho it's nothing special

 

[Burt Reynolds Mustache]

It doesn't branch for shit, or else MC could skip the swingers and BDSM stuff, and last I looked, you had to play through that DNW.

I say it handles it better because you can, at least last I played skip the later parts with Dana and the ones you don't like and pick the one that you do for the whole 'beard' scenario. Those are branches.

 

[Thornhill]

I guess, I just don't see much of a story that people here are defending. I'm not trying to single out this game, MOST of the games on this site have horrible stories that serve as nothing more than a set up for the sex scenes. Of the games here that aren't actual VNs, I can count on one hand those that have interesting stories, it's pretty much anything by tlaero and mortze, and DoD. A few others get by on their characters, like DmD, or by being silly as hell like the Artifact, but playing most of these for the story baffles me.

Often times the slower the burn the worse the story, because it draws things out incessantly.



Version numbers don't mean a whole lot. I've seen games that are 1.0 with 1/10 the content of this game. We have several days of game to base impressions off of, and the main impression is that it's a DmD clone with an OK premise. One that is overly punishing, and one that gates off its content in ways that are very unclear to the player. And even DMD threw scenes with D's friends to give us a bit of material.

I agree , i gage everything by the Elsaverse Triology. I don't think anyone is looking to find a new Shakespeare, just entertainment. My faved games are the ones who don't take themselves too seriously. You can have a plausible, entertaining story, that leads to good scenes, especially if you do it with Comedy. Maybe the key is when one scene sets up the next, My Sweet Neighbors does that well, but not DMD. I got bored out of my mind with that. Threw it away around 0.8.

 

[Burt Reynolds Mustache]

Just because it adds some cliche supernatural stuff doesn't mean it's deeper or more developed than this game. Writing believable human interactions and dialogue is more laudable than shitty plot devices with edgy backgrounds like Dreams of Desire.

Again, good is relative. And what believable human interactions do you see in this game? Or most games here for that matter? The bland niece? The more worldly friend who is in almost every other game of this type? The flirty co-worker? The creeper of an MC? None of these characters are unique? They work as tropes, I'll give you that, and the dialogue isn't good, but probably better than say DoD. However, if given the option of a generic story that has some advancement, an antagonist and an actual mood vs a game with no mood, maybe marginally better characters, and a boring ass story you'll forgive me if I pick the former.

 

[Darkaura]

skip the later parts

I will never know, as the early parts were more BDSM and Swinger stuff than I care to play or see. I will agree that the Dana path on it's own, is some of the best writing, renders, posing and dialogue in the genre, but the code, game-play and layout are pretty bad.

 

[User_166761]

Again, good is relative. And what believable human interactions do you see in this game? Or most games here for that matter? The bland niece? The more worldly friend who is in almost every other game of this type? The flirty co-worker? The creeper of an MC? None of these characters are unique? They work as tropes, I'll give you that, and the dialogue isn't good, but probably better than say DoD. However, if given the option of a generic story that has some advancement, an antagonist and an actual mood vs a game with no mood, maybe marginally better characters, and a boring ass story you'll forgive me if I pick the former.

Characters that have a backstory and motivations. You have to play around those to get to the CGs. In Dreams of Desire you are given a spell that does everything, with characters that are empty shells. There is no dialogue or build up whatsoever, only mind control for sex. Couldn't be more shallow if it tried.

The story has no depth whatsoever, the usual evil for the sake of it. It tries to give an air of mystery but there is no substance, no development. It will collapse when the game ends as they are forced to write instead of rendering pretentious backgrounds. And you can't call advancement a dude reading a book at a library.

Dialogue in a porn game is what distinguishes a game from CGs, so yes, a shitty plot with no dialogues would never match the immersion of a regular plot with good dialogues and interactions. You can't have a good porn game if you skip building relationships through dialogue like DoD does. That's just CGs, the plot does nothing to make the porn better, the opposite is true, you are making all girls empty shells devoid of agency. You might as well fuck a blowup doll.

 

[Paitryn]

there is really good discussion going.i agree the gameovers area nooying as shit and the sex is minimal BUT remember this is 0.0.7 not even 0.1. i really hope t4bbo can move the story far and pump out a lot more content in many more updates.i also agree the braching will be minimal and the scenes will pan out the same

Remember this is (insert alpha, beta, .01, .0.0.01, indie dev, etc) is sort of a catch all for you saying you accept what the developer is doing. Its a tired and non specific term that encompasses a variety of developmental stages in games. Most of which end up releasing as shit because everyone used it to give the developer a free pass on poor quality.

.0.0.7 is really no different than 0.7 for these kinds of devs. If anything we know that he has been at it for approx 7 months. Now not every developer has the same time, funding, or skills. But if you compare apples to apples we can get a better idea of what the developer is at stage wise and how much content we should expect compared to other developers like himself.

Weather or not he has a team has little to do with it either. Or income i've discovered. BoN has produced more content in a month than this developer but only brings in half as much and is also a development team of 1. Weather or not you use Daz3d to develop your models seems to have more to do with your income model than how much content you actually have. Shame, since the lower half of most daz models from ass to pussy is terrible looking. I mean DmD vaginas looked like someone burned it.

 

[torkenstiem]

Dialogue in a porn game is what distinguishes a game from CGs, so yes, a shitty plot with no dialogues would never match the immersion of a regular plot with good dialogues and interactions. You can't have a good porn game if you skip building relationships through dialogue like DoD does.

I agree, without a good story or at least a decent plot for the game, you might as well just be watching a porno about a "girl gets fucked the park".

 

[Burt Reynolds Mustache]

I will never know, as the early parts were more BDSM and Swinger stuff than I care to play or see. I will agree that the Dana path on it's own, is some of the best writing, renders, posing and dialogue in the genre, but the code, game-play and layout are pretty bad.

I won't argue with you there. Dreaming of Dana is too wedded to its life-sim aspects. It's something that I find is a problem in general in the genre. I always felt it would have been stronger as a straight VN, with branching choices. But Ptolemy made a strong defense of how and why the game is how it is. TBF I need to go back and play some of the updates on that one, as I've been a way form it for a while.

Intimate Relations has the potential to be his best written work.

Characters that have a backstory and motivations. You have to play around those to get to the CGs. In Dreams of Desire you are given a spell that does everything, with characters that are empty shells. There is no dialogue or build up whatsoever, only mind control for sex. Couldn't be more shallow if it tried. The story is just pathetic, it has no depth whatsoever, the usual evil for the sake of it. And you can't call advancment a dude reading a book at a library.

Dialogue in a porn game is what distinguishes a game from CGs, so yes, a shitty plot with no dialogues would never match the immersion of a regular plot with good dialogues and interactions. You can't have a good porn game if you skip building relationships through dialogue like DoD does. That's just CGs, the plot does nothing to make the porn better, the opposite is true, you are making all girls empty shells devoid of agency. You might as well fuck a blowup doll.

And if the dialogue in this game was great. I'd be there with you. It's not.

Porn works in a variety of ways. DoD works in its visuals, tone, and story, which is a fiar bit mroe than raeding a book, there are the dream aspects, finding out the history, figuring out the order, and the like. And I will never claim that DoD was perfect, it's not, at all. But its story works well to move the player from scene to scene, while adding to the overall plot. It's basic ass creative writing 101, but at least it has some level of momentum.

DoD isn't even my favorite type of story. I prefer more agency in the ladies in a game, I am not a giant fan of mind control either, but if works well for what it sets out to do. I get not liking it, and structurally it falls prey to the same issues the bulk of porn games do right now. But it actually HAS a plot at least, and that's a damn sight more than so many of these games that feel like unfunny episodes of Seinfeld. They're about NOTHING.