Ren'Py Completed Babysitter [Final v0.2.2b] [T4bbo]

[Darkaura]

you might as well just be watching a porno about a "girl gets fucked the park

You might as well fuck a blowup doll.

You could get rich selling inflate-a-dates. And really 3D rendered models are pretty close to that. And it's going to be hard to find great writing in a pr0n game. If dev's could write well, they'd be making a better living doing that. A goodly portion of the folks on NSFW Patreon and F95 are looking for the digtial equivalent of the cable TV guy making a house-call. Very few devs have the time or resources really do much more than that. Most are armatures good at either renders and/or code, and good writing is from a skill-set that does not lead to either of those. I think it's hilarious that you guys expect top tier well paced plot on what is essentially an armature pr0n site.

 

[User_166761]

You could get rich selling inflate-a-dates. And really 3D rendered models are pretty close to that. And it's going to be hard to find great writing in a pr0n game. If dev's could write well, they'd be making a better living doing that. A goodly portion of the folks on NSFW Patreon and F95 are looking for the digtial equivalent of the cable TV guy making a house-call. Very few devs have the time or resources really do much more than that. Most are armatures good at either renders and/or code, and good writing is from a skill-set that does not lead to either of those. I think it's hilarious that you guys expect top tier well paced plot on what is essentially an armature pr0n site.

I never claimed that, I only argued that DoD is at the bottom of the barrel regarding it. Just because they are all mediocre does not mean there are no differences among them. Compare games like Pandora vs DoD regarding writing, it's night and day.

 

[Jcj]

Remember this is (insert alpha, beta, .01, .0.0.01, indie dev, etc) is sort of a catch all for you saying you accept what the developer is doing. Its a tired and non specific term that encompasses a variety of developmental stages in games. Most of which end up releasing as shit because everyone used it to give the developer a free pass on poor quality.

.0.0.7 is really no different than 0.7 for these kinds of devs. If anything we know that he has been at it for approx 7 months. Now not every developer has the same time, funding, or skills. But if you compare apples to apples we can get a better idea of what the developer is at stage wise and how much content we should expect compared to other developers like himself.

Weather or not he has a team has little to do with it either. Or income i've discovered. BoN has produced more content in a month than this developer but only brings in half as much and is also a development team of 1. Weather or not you use Daz3d to develop your models seems to have more to do with your income model than how much content you actually have. Shame, since the lower half of most daz models from ass to pussy is terrible looking. I mean DmD vaginas looked like someone burned it.

Say whatever you want, but I don't think saying poor quality is justified. I haven't played DODesire or BoN, but in this style I don't think you can find any comparison in terms of renders and animations (GGGB has also really nice quality, but it is drawn).Moreover, I think next version will be the first one where T4bbo will work on this as his main job, he will be using new hardware and I think he wanted to employ some coders too.

And regarding the story... so far I think we are only a team of 2 story-writers. Some had to join but failed to give in the work, so we had to work extra. The moment we can start adding more writers, the story will get deeper.

But anyway, what I meant to say was... let the guy work. It is our aim to provide longer updates, to develop the characters and the story further, but life doesn't always help. I assure you our intention is to get better, and until then every well-intentioned critique will be welcomed. But if you are just going to throw hate... I don't know, dudes, maybe there's no need to click on 'post reply'...

I won't argue with you there. Dreaming of Dana is too wedded to its life-sim aspects. It's something that I find is a problem in general in the genre. I always felt it would have been stronger as a straight VN, with branching choices. But Ptolemy made a strong defense of how and why the game is how it is. TBF I need to go back and play some of the updates on that one, as I've been a way form it for a while.

Intimate Relations has the potential to be his best written work.



And if the dialogue in this game was great. I'd be there with you. It's not.

Porn works in a variety of ways. DoD works in its visuals, tone, and story, which is a fiar bit mroe than raeding a book, there are the dream aspects, finding out the history, figuring out the order, and the like. And I will never claim that DoD was perfect, it's not, at all. But its story works well to move the player from scene to scene, while adding to the overall plot. It's basic ass creative writing 101, but at least it has some level of momentum.

DoD isn't even my favorite type of story. I prefer more agency in the ladies in a game, I am not a giant fan of mind control either, but if works well for what it sets out to do. I get not liking it, and structurally it falls prey to the same issues the bulk of porn games do right now. But it actually HAS a plot at least, and that's a damn sight more than so many of these games that feel like unfunny episodes of Seinfeld. They're about NOTHING.

Wait, when you say DoD you mean Dreaming of Dana? Because if that's it, I really don't get your point. Yeah, you have a bunch of situations and stories that link well but.. is it just me or you have to repeat the same scene over and over again until you have enough points to unlock the next scene?

And about the story being about nothing... I think you just need to leave it some time until more story can develop, so you can see the whole scene, specially if you are playing update by update. It's just my opinion, but what do I know...

 

[Burt Reynolds Mustache]

Say whatever you want, but I don't think saying poor quality is justified. I haven't played DODesire or BoN, but in this style I don't think you can find any comparison in terms of renders and animations (GGGB has also really nice quality, but it is drawn).Moreover, I think next version will be the first one where T4bbo will work on this as his main job, he will be using new hardware and I think he wanted to employ some coders too.

And regarding the story... so far I think we are only a team of 2 story-writers. Some had to join but failed to give in the work, so we had to work extra. The moment we can start adding more writers, the story will get deeper.

But anyway, what I meant to say was... let the guy work. It is our aim to provide longer updates, to develop the characters and the story further, but life doesn't always help. I assure you our intention is to get better, and until then every well-intentioned critique will be welcomed. But if you are just going to throw hate... I don't know, dudes, maybe there's no need to click on 'post reply'...

Are you a developer on the game? Or what? It could be that English isn't your first language, but you are constantly switching between talking about the developer in the 3rd person, and then switching to 'we' and 'us'.

I also don't want you to think I'm throwing hate, but this last update was pretty bad. Apparently the sexy scene that is there is easily missed, and there is a huge chance that you'd have to replay the whole damn game due to a choice a couple of versions ago that didn't really throw up any warning flags (most game overs are pretty obvious, though too many aren't) and stops what little progression there was flat.

The characters are OK-ish and fairly flat, but they do as of now, feel like they are copy and pasted from other games. The renders are quite nice, they aren't anywhere near DoD. I don't mean that as a pejorative, DoD is a high mark to hit. They're better than the ones from MNL, though I find myself liking BoNs stuff a lot despite it's oddness.

The game is still early, so I think stuff can still be fixed, but this last update was frustrating as hell for a lot of people, I'm sure there are dozens of us . If I had to pick anything it would be the pointless choices that lead to automatic game overs, they are everywhere, and I would question whether or not anyone but the daughter really needs a love and horniness meter. Sonya probably would need it if she is going to be as major as the title screen suggests, but if Jessica is the third wheel character, you could likely simulate a point system with a few simple choices.

 

[torkenstiem]

I think it's hilarious that you guys expect top tier well paced plot on what is essentially an armature pr0n site.

Of course most of them ARE amateur(ish), but I'll give credit to a few that at least tries to make a good story to go along with their pictures/cg's and there are just a few that takes pride enough to progress in their work to make their games better, with each update and or game.

 

[User_10739]

This is like a whole page of posts talking about games other than the Babysitter, if you want to talk about those games go to the proper thread!

 

[The_fallen_dragon]

I am on the babysitter page right? All these posts are telling me otherwise.

 

[Bellyk Franck]

Hi guys! Any walkthrough for Babysitter [v0.0.7] ?

 

[Ragnar]

Yep, I'm getting DmD vibes here, Christine is the carrot to keep you going while you get some lewd content with side characters. I think I will wait some time before returning to this game, DmD is more than enough to fill my blueballed department.
I don't say Babysitter is bad, but it needs some more punch to keep players interested.

 

[Jcj]

Are you a developer on the game? Or what? It could be that English isn't your first language, but you are constantly switching between talking about the developer in the 3rd person, and then switching to 'we' and 'us'.

I also don't want you to think I'm throwing hate, but this last update was pretty bad. Apparently the sexy scene that is there is easily missed, and there is a huge chance that you'd have to replay the whole damn game due to a choice a couple of versions ago that didn't really throw up any warning flags (most game overs are pretty obvious, though too many aren't) and stops what little progression there was flat.

The characters are OK-ish and fairly flat, but they do as of now, feel like they are copy and pasted from other games. The renders are quite nice, they aren't anywhere near DoD. I don't mean that as a pejorative, DoD is a high mark to hit. They're better than the ones from MNL, though I find myself liking BoNs stuff a lot despite it's oddness.

The game is still early, so I think stuff can still be fixed, but this last update was frustrating as hell for a lot of people, I'm sure there are dozens of us . If I had to pick anything it would be the pointless choices that lead to automatic game overs, they are everywhere, and I would question whether or not anyone but the daughter really needs a love and horniness meter. Sonya probably would need it if she is going to be as major as the title screen suggests, but if Jessica is the third wheel character, you could likely simulate a point system with a few simple choices.

I'm part of the team, yeah, and even english I switch between him, we, us and I because I refer to different aspects of the game: I only write the scripts and send them to T4bbo, who then rewrites some parts if he feels like changing the story or finds something he wants to do differently.

I think the last update was short, and that's something I told T4bbo myself when I sent the script, that's true. But T4bbo and I (we) have addressed the issue and explained the reasons why it has been like this.

I don't know about that, as I don't really play other games (most of them can't be played on Mac) but given that this are basic fetishes, I guess that 'copy' feeling is something that can be expected from amateur porn games. And again, if you mean DoD as Dreams of Desire I really can't tell (although proportions are overdone imo), but if you mean Dreaming of Dana I think it doesn't compare in terms of quality.

And as I said to some other members, I get your frustration, I understand where it comes from. As always, any input is considered, and maybe simplifying the stats would make it more interesting, but as I said, you are not taking into consideration the whole story (by that I mean what is planned and still to come), and those might help in the future.

 

[torkenstiem]

And as I said to some other members, I get your frustration, I understand where it comes from. As always, any input is considered, and maybe simplifying the stats would make it more interesting, but as I said, you are not taking into consideration the whole story (by that I mean what is planned and still to come), and those might help in the future.

In that case, I guess I'll just wait for 1.0 or later to play this again. Sonya's husband "bad end" scene felt like a slap in the face.

 

[Darkaura]

Meanwhile, let me suggest you try "Depraved Awakening ", it's somewhere in this forum. It's only 0.3, and i lost count of all the xxx scenes already.

Wow! That was actually quite good. It's amazing how much the music adds to the vibe.

 

[Paitryn]

Say whatever you want, but I don't think saying poor quality is justified. I haven't played DODesire or BoN, but in this style I don't think you can find any comparison in terms of renders and animations (GGGB has also really nice quality, but it is drawn).Moreover, I think next version will be the first one where T4bbo will work on this as his main job, he will be using new hardware and I think he wanted to employ some coders too.

I think you may be giving T4bbo way too much credit on the render quality here. WAY too much. Images can be grainy just not as much. as others. BB or DmD have far better quality. And I dont find BoN's MNL to be in poor quality at all.

 

[OhWee]

So, since a number of people seem underwhelmed by this update, this might be a good time to explore that.

- What was it you wanted to see in the story for 0.0.7? Keeping in mind that T4boo seems to be keeping to the 'one or two days per release' model.

- What was is about where the story is currently headed that you don't like?
- Following up on that, what would you rather have seen happen instead, based on where 0.0.6 left things?

- What is it about the story overall that attracts you to this game? What is it that has held your interest up to this point?​

I have some thoughts on this, but I'd really like to hear what other fans of this game were hoping for at this point.

BTW, disclaimer, at this point I'm just a modder that likes this game and that likes to practice his Daz and RenPy skills. I am not affiliated with T4boo, I'm just a fan.

 

[Ignazzio]

- What was it you wanted to see in the story for 0.0.7? Keeping in mind that T4boo seems to be keeping to the 'one or two days per release' model.

- What was is about where the story is currently headed that you don't like?
- Following up on that, what would you rather have seen happen instead, based on where 0.0.6 left things?

- What is it about the story overall that attracts you to this game? What is it that has held your interest up to this point?

- I wanted to see start of some branches. Where she goes for Mr. Silver and where she goes for her friend. There were so many choices regarding this one but all in all it seems like they all didn't matter at all.
- It's becoming linear and I don't like that. It might be different in a few updates but with this one I feel like my decisions just don't matter much.
- N would decide based on our previous choices to go with her friend's idea or to go with Mr. Silver. I honestly though that it's the branching point.
- In fact I hope Mr. Silver will be able to take her from us. Or she will find some boyfriend. MC is pretty bland. If I won't be able to decide about storyline in a few updates I will probably leave it.

 

[DrDemagogue]

I tried this one at an earlier stage and thought it had some promise (I like the art well enough) but, from what I'm reading here, I'm given to understand that actually exploring some of the limited erotic scenarios introduced thus far results in an unavoidable game-over some time later. I'm all for consequences for a player's choices in gaming but forcing a specific path with a sort of smug "here's what you did wrong" and a need to backtrack substantially feels kind of cheap. I get that this is a work in progress but I don't tend to tune when the frustrations seem inevitable.

With that said, I hope the hard-working creators are able to continue telling the story their way and I thank them for their contributions.

 

[rodneyeatme]

What was it you wanted to see in the story for 0.0.7? Keeping in mind that T4boo seems to be keeping to the 'one or two days per release' model.

See, despite downloading 0.0.7, I haven't played it yet because I know I have to replay the entire thing again. This isn't quite as annoying as Summertime Saga forcing me to replay hours of gameplay every damn month, but Babysitter doesn't offer me the carrot of fucking my hot-ass, bitchy sister. Putting a stealth game over into an update and forcing the player to replay an essentially sexless game that never even approaches the blue ball territory is poor incentivazation.

- What was is about where the story is currently headed that you don't like?

The only thing I know about Uncle is his love for CGI sandwiches. Has he dated in the past? Has he ever had any friends, male or female? Do he and his niece have any shared past experiences that lend credence to this entire situation?

Not story, but technically, the points system is so rigid and punishing that it causes players without a walkthrough to miss nearly every potential "reward". This has been a problem since 0.0.1. As a game, it would be beneficial to be able to bank good boy points in order to take a sleazy option once in a while. DMD does this to great effect.

- What is it about the story overall that attracts you to this game? What is it that has held your interest up to this point?

I play it simply to get into the mind of the person who designed that apartment navigation model. (joking)

 

[torkenstiem]

So, since a number of people seem underwhelmed by this update, this might be a good time to explore that.

BTW, disclaimer, at this point I'm just a modder that likes this game and that likes to practice his Daz and RenPy skills. I am not affiliated with T4boo, I'm just a fan.

Idk, seems like if dev keeps adding more and more branches in the game(unlike another game I wont mention here), this development will slow down to a crawl. Just choose a couple routes to work on till at least theres light at the end of the tunnel. And no more bad ends!

 

[Burt Reynolds Mustache]

It's hard to say specifically what I would have liked to see in this particular update. A longer one for a certainty, but it was with this update that a lot of issues that the game has came into focus. After the whole Mr. Silver storyline became the only one I decided to go back and try other choices. Almost all of the big ones caused game overs. Don't want to take her along? Game over. Want to warn her about a Weinstein like boss? Game over. Don't lie to your secretary? Game Over.

There are so many false choices in the game that even having them seems pointless.

Another issue that I do have is that scenes and progression seem obtuse. Apparently there is a finger-bang game over, I don't remember ever seeing it. On a replay I did, suddenly the niece didn't join in and it was just me and Jessica. With the point system as it is it's nearly impossible to tell what is a good score or a bad one? You can bang Sonya with 6 points or so, what does that mean for Jessica? DmD does a great job at signaling when big choices happened. It also does a graet job letting you know if you missed something due to a prior choice or lack of points.

One thing I will say, and this isn't unique to babysitter is that the Day by Day stricture that is so popular in games of this type is over-used and often detrimental. There is no way around it in a life sim, but in a VN, where you have a lot more control over the narrative, it's kinda pointless to see every day of the MCs life when a lot of those days are boring. We can skip forward after bigger events, like say Christine masturbating to you, or to her big trip. That could just be me, but often the step by step can get monotonous.

And of course there is the husband Game Over. It's really absurd that the first sex scene with one of the women on the title screen, and what is the first sex scene in the game leads to a game over. Even worse it leads to a game over two game days later. This needs to be changed. It wouldn't even take much to do it, just change a bit dialogue in the scene where Sonya asks for help. Maybe she has to prove he was cheating on her to not get screwed over in the divorce?

One thing I will say, if you are going to follow the DmD model is that something needs to happen each update. I know you aren't a complete game, but in many ways titles like Babysitter are being released episodically. Each episode needs to not tread water. We need a real plot advancement, we need a reason for the update to exist. What happened in this update? Christine took a job that will probably get her in trouble whether you and Jessica warned her or not, you started spying on Sonya's husband, and if you played your cards perfectly early on you got a scene with Jessica. And that of course is only if you didn't do the one thing you play porn games to do, which is to fuck a lady. If you did that, TOO BAD.

 

[Jcj]

Just a few quick questions, what do you guys understand for linear and branches? Because so far there have been multiple complaints about the game not having branches and also about the game trying to have too many branches.

And same about linearity, some complain there are not true decisions, but the moment we add them (to me linearity and the lack of branches is the same, correct me if i’m Wrong) they say we should focus on thickening the plot.

And last, I guess all of you have played multiple times trying different paths and decisions, right? Even those you don’t like. Because I have the impression (maybe I’m wrong) you might have not.