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I wasn't specific. I mean mostly niece. That's just my preference as I hate incest in general and I like NTR. And in terms of reality she wouldn't fall for her much older uncle. Moreover he's kinda boring as a character.
Actually, thats not true about a niece not falling for her uncle in real life. But incest compared to NTR, there just seems to be more of a demand? for incest atm, since its the only type of genre flooding the "market" lately.
 
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Actually, thats not true about a niece not falling for her uncle in real life. But incest compared to NTR, there just seems to be more of a demand? for incest atm, since its the only type of genre flooding the "market" lately.
Yeah I can kinda agree with niece being somewhat able to fall for her uncle. That's not a close family and therefore I find it at least somewhat sensible. But not much more than bestiality in fact. That's just my personal opinion. Yeah, incest is a marketing demand on Patreon much stronger than any other fetish. In my opinion it's already overflooded with it but time will tell.
 
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You're trying to be offensive. Could be retorted as: "you like to fuck your own family" which is most likely a bullshit( I hope). It's not my women. I don't mind that in a game as I don't immerse myself as an MC. I generally prefer him with his secretary of N's friend as it at least makes some sense. Pointless discussion in this thread.
No I am just stating the fact of what NTR means unless you have another def. for it then its means one mans wife is fucking another man and not letting the husband have any.

So what does NTR mean.
So long story short, say if Boy A and Girl A has been established as couple, a lot of screen time has been devoted to them from the start to the eventual development of the relationship. Every thing seems fine and dandy, suddenly a challenger appears, Boy B.

So in a short we see Girl A slowly/helplessly falling in love with Boy B. She leaves Boy A for Boy B. So in this case, can we say that Boy A and the audience has been NTR??

The act of NTR in a given situation may varies, ranging from a willing party to just plain out right rape. Basically it involves emotional hurting the significant other and the audience? Can see why it's not popular.
 
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The problems with this game are numerous and I wrote many of them in my review but the main problem with the game is it's a porn game with no porn.

I understand how you want a slow burn with the niece but why the friend too? She's an admitted slut. Why not introduce an ex-gf who wants to get back together. Too many of these devs think they are writing shakespere go to a hentai site that is what we are looking for the plot is only a device to get to the porn.
 

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No I am just stating the fact of what NTR means unless you have another def. for it then its means one mans wife is fucking another man and not letting the husband have any.
Presenting some twisted definition as a fact just to degrade another person and support your own viewpoint is quite offensive. NTR means that significant one of someone is taken from him and he has to observe it to some extent. It's not my love nor anyone in my life. It's MC's interest. And he can have other females easily and without problem. It doesn't mean he can't. It's not about sex but about his emotions. In this particular case I'm also strongly biased against incest so it affects my viewpoint. I would love to see such elements in this game and it's totally sensible and justified opinion. Moreover, I can easily say there are other people who would like to play Silver route or whatever. Different people different kinks.
 
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Looks like we're of one mind on this. The main reason why i was ok with a slow burn was exactly that, having time to get to know Chris, so that when the MC does get to third base, it means something. It's not a piece of meat, it's a unique person. That's why DMD fell flat on me, i couldn't connect with the Daughter, who looked, well, retarded. When 0.6 came out, and i saw that "lotion massage ", my DMD alarm bells went berserk. Now, with 0.7 i see a lot more folks voicing concerns. But something tells me, you're gonna save this thing for us.
Ummm, thanks for the vote of confidence?!?

About the best I can do is my alternate reality version (Steamier mod). I haven't even tried to figure out Sonya's Daz DNA yet. Jessica was much easier, and I think I'm getting closer on Christine. Of course, I'd rather not have to create a bunch of new renders on my own to try to 'diverge' the story, and it'd be nice if other Daz artists would get onboard the Babysitter fan art bandwagon. Then we could do what's happened with Big Brother, where we collectively find fun and interesting ways to incorporate those fan renders into mods.

All while generating more interest in Babysitter of course! I'm just trying to 'buy us some time' with Steamy Mod (and also trying to unify all of the sexy content under one playthru route, towards that end) until Babysitter gets to the really hot sex. Hopefully it won't take three separate fourteen part chapters to get there...
 

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soo quick question: if you tap the assistant, there is only the "get kill by the husband" option?
cause if i have to play the game again, i will like to know. getting mad already for all the times i died.
 

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soo quick question: if you tap the assistant, there is only the "get kill by the husband" option?
cause if i have to play the game again, i will like to know. getting mad already for all the times i died.
You can just flip the variable using the console, if console is enabled. Or use a savegame editor.

SonyaFucked = 0

Will get you past that scene intact, and then you won't have to 'rewind' to day 6 again...
 
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OK, just went through using a walkthrough this time to see if my opinion on things changed at all. While on the one hand it was nice to see a little more character info on Chris (she's never had a relationship, and is a virgin) the fact that it's basically locked behind the entire friendship path so far is kinda nuts.

Looking at everything I think the biggest issue the game has is the extremely strict point system, which honestly adds very little to the story or game itself and just works more as an artificial gate to a lot of the lewd content. The whole keeping her away from Mr. Silver being tied to such a strict Friendship playthrough is insane, as is the ability to give her an interview. Jessica being unwilling to jack you off at 2 horniness vs 3 horniness is also just kinda strange as well. At the same time I'm not sure that Sonya's stats matter for much of anything at all.

From what people are saying it looks like I'm still missing a scene. Apparently between Rob and Chris inthe laundromat? I might be thinking of another game, as honestly so many of these games are similar in both environment and story that I can easily get confused, but was there not a scene with Chris sitting on BBC's lap earlier in the game? It also seems kinda odd that taking her panties in the Friendship route means nothing in the following laundry scene either.

All that said, I think a fair bit of the game can be salvaged if there is a bit more characterization, and the point system is either abandoned or reworked. You could play through the game multiple times and still not realize the threshold you need for certain events to happen. That and the number feels very arbitrary. I'm not a huge fan of it in other games either TBH, but here it just feels especially punitive.

And man was the Jessica bathroom stall scene a disappointment. Guys, you don't need to move up from a>b>c, go crazy, maybe let her suck you off without going through a handjob first. It comes off as milking in a game that is pretty slow to advance as is.

Also, Jessica's Patreon is bugged on Day 8. When you become a Super Patron, you can't access any of her stuff at all.
 

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Agreed NTR is a bad move for a dev that want's to make a buck. Sure for a half-ass shit game it can draw a following for the 30% who love, or don't despise it. But it will never break out into Summertime Saga territory.
Biased opinion that seems wrong. It becomes a pretty popular addition and it seems like it gathers some additional funds. No project lost its patrons due to addition of it. Moreover, devs like saddoggames or Daniels K have grown significantly after open addition. One game already reached SS territory that was mostly NTR when it reached it that we all know. You can despise it but there is a large gap between not being a fan and despise something. I doubt most people strongly care about it and it might gather additional people as it works strongly on emotions.
 

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From what people are saying it looks like I'm still missing a scene. Apparently between Rob and Chris inthe laundromat? I might be thinking of another game, as honestly so many of these games are similar in both environment and story that I can easily get confused, but was there not a scene with Chris sitting on BBC's lap earlier in the game? It also seems kinda odd that taking her panties in the Friendship route means nothing in the following laundry scene either.

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You have the right game, but looking at the variables, there's only one way to trigger this scene. That is if you told Christine to take the bus home after shopping a couple of days earlier in the story instead of having her go to the office with you, then she meets the laundramat dude on the train and gains a BigBlackCock point.

You need BigBlackCock = 1 to trigger the alternate route in Episode 7. Otherwise, she will always go to work for Mir. Silver instead.

You can flip this using the Console, so you'll need to enable console, or use a save game editor.

BigBlackCock = 0
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BigBlackCock = 1
 

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Biased opinion that seems wrong. It becomes a pretty popular addition and it seems like it gathers some additional funds. No project lost its patrons due to addition of it. Moreover, devs like saddoggames or Daniels K have grown significantly after open addition. One game already reached SS territory that was mostly NTR when it reached it that we all know. You can despise it but there is a large gap between not being a fan and despise something. I doubt most people strongly care about it and it might gather additional people as it works strongly on emotions.
You can also lose your existing fans and patrons because of this. A number of people aren't playing Big Brother anymore because of the whole Eric thing. Sure, you can mod him out, but I for one didn't want to bother after a certain point. And I know a number of other people that no longer play Big Brother for the same reason. So the question is, do you want to abandon a number of your current fans for the new ones?

And as for people not caring, there have been numerous flame wars on this forum about NTR, and the moderators have stepped in on numerous occasions to shut down such flame wars. So I disagree with your assumption that most people don't care strongly about it.

The one thing that ties together ALL OF the Popular games on this forum right now? Incest.

Big Brother - Incest
DMD (formerly Dating My Daughter) - Incest
Dreaming Of Dana - Incest
Dreams Of Desire - Incest
My New Life - Incest (at least that's what the tags tell me)
Son Of A Bitch - Incest (again, what the tags tell me. This download is waaaay too huge, which is why I've passed on it)
Summertime Saga - Incest
Super Powered - Incest (again, that's what the tags tell me, and the MC does live with his Mom apparently).
Teacher's Pets - Incest (although Irredeemable is in the midst of modding that out to appease Patreon)
The Twist - Incest (haven't played, but it's pretty clear that there is incest going on based on post #5).

That's 10 out of 10 games that have the incest tag. And at least one of those doesn't have NTR at the moment (Teacher's Pets).

btw, it appears that a game becomes popular on F95 once a game has more than 100 pages of posts
 

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You can also lose your existing fans and patrons because of this. A number of people aren't playing Big Brother anymore because of the whole Eric thing. Sure, you can mod him out, but I for one didn't want to bother after a certain point. And I know a number of other people that no longer play Big Brother for the same reason. So the question is, do you want to abandon a number of your current fans for the new ones?

And as for people not caring, there have been numerous flame wars on this forum about NTR, and the moderators have stepped in on numerous occasions to shut down such flame wars. So I disagree with your assumption that most people don't care strongly about it.

The one thing that ties together ALL OF the Popular games on this forum right now? Incest.

Big Brother - Incest
DMD (formerly Dating My Daughter) - Incest
Dreaming Of Dana - Incest
Dreams Of Desire - Incest
My New Life - Incest (at least that's what the tags tell me)
Son Of A Bitch - Incest (again, what the tags tell me. This download is waaaay too huge, which is why I've passed on it)
Summertime Saga - Incest
Super Powered - Incest (again, that's what the tags tell me, and the MC does live with his Mom apparently).
Teacher's Pets - Incest (although Irredeemable is in the midst of modding that out to appease Patreon)
The Twist - Incest (haven't played, but it's pretty clear that there is incest going on based on post #5).

That's 10 out of 10 games that have the incest tag. And at least one of those doesn't have NTR at the moment (Teacher's Pets).

btw, it appears that a game becomes popular on F95 once a game has more than 100 pages of posts
Didn't say incest isn't popular. That's the best fetish marketing-wise as well as the easiest pattern to make a game. You can't make a family in a game without it here (MNL, SOaB, SP, TP aren't focused at all on it while The Twist doesn't actually have it at all). I'm just saying there is no proof NTR makes someone lose patrons. I have follow most devs and not even 1 lost his Patrons due to it. Quite opposite. saddoggames with hard NTR/incest game is growing so rapidly after just 0.0.1 I suspect 300% growthrate within a couple of updates. And he was a pure incest developer. BB with E. was a thing almost since the beginning and whole gameplay and plot was tweaked towards him so saying that E. would make some people leave seems as justified as saying that without E. BB wouldn't achieve its success. I'm not depreciate incest (tho I'm obviously not a fond of it). I'm simply react when someone emotionally depreciate NTR without any factual data. In Babysitter I would love to se Mr. Silver route (totally avoidable) and that's it.
 
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You have the right game, but looking at the variables, there's only one way to trigger this scene. That is if you told Christine to take the bus home after shopping a couple of days earlier in the story instead of having her go to the office with you, then she meets the laundramat dude on the train and gains a BigBlackCock point.

You need BigBlackCock = 1 to trigger the alternate route in Episode 7. Otherwise, she will always go to work for Mir. Silver instead.

You can flip this using the Console, so you'll need to enable console, or use a save game editor.

BigBlackCock = 0
or
BigBlackCock = 1
Right, I know that scene later in the game, and the alternate route. I mentioned it in my post. I was talking about a scene in a laundromat with a girl sitting on a dude's lap and getting molested or some such. I'm likely thinking about another game, but it's gonna bother me to hell until I remember what it is. that's the problem with so many games having similar models and similar sets. It can all blur together. I still wonder if there was any point to Chris missing her panties when she meets Robert again in the laundromat though.
 

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Didn't say incest isn't popular. That's the best fetish marketing-wise as well as the easiest pattern to make a game. You can't make a family in a game without it here (MNL, SOaB, SP, TP aren't focused at all on it while The Twist doesn't actually have it at all). I'm just saying there is no proof NTR makes someone lose patrons. I have follow most devs and not even 1 lost his Patrons due to it. Quite opposite. saddoggames with hard NTR/incest game is growing so rapidly after just 0.0.1 I suspect 300% growthrate within a couple of updates. And he was a pure incest developer. BB with E. was a thing almost since the beginning and whole gameplay and plot was tweaked towards him so saying that E. would make some people leave seems as justified as saying that without E. BB wouldn't achieve its success. I'm not depreciate incest (tho I'm obviously not a fond of it). I'm simply react when someone emotionally depreciate NTR without any factual data. In Babysitter I would love to se Mr. Silver route (totally avoidable) and that's it.
I think the issue is that the people who dislike NTR, HATE IT. While it seems anyway, people are more willing to deal with incest games, even if they don't particularly like that kink. If the art is good, most people can ignore it.

That and what qualifies as NTR varies from person to person. I don't particularly consider stuff like Super Powered or the sharing in Dreaming of Dana NTR because in Super Powered you are corrupting the girls yourself and don't seem to give a fuck, while in Dana, your MC is cool with it, and it's more a swinger thing. For me NTR has to be something where the girl essentially gets taken from the MC, and he is not at all happy with it. NTR like that is pretty rare from what I have seen, but is pretty much what used to be the standard definition. The guy who takes her also has to be pretty predatory, and sometimes rape is involved.

But to many a wife sleeping with her husband in a game where you are able to fuck her? That's NTR, a girl banging her BF if she has an option to bang the player? NTR. I just don't see it in those cases.

That being said, if Silver or Robert are involved in sexy times with N in this game, especially with Chris being a virgin, that would totally be NTR.
 
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Just a note. When I first played Big Brother early on, there was no Eric. He was added a bit later...

And again you've said that developers haven't lost patrons, but can't prove that. I'm telling you I've had a number of people tell me (on Discord, etc.) that they no longer patronize certain games because of that (they have no interest in NTR, and don't support those games anymore once it gets introduced). Just like someone here said in a recent post that they don't like incest, even though that's been at the core of Babysitter since day 1.

Their overall Patron count may be the same or higher, but a number of patrons move on for various reasons (mainly because they aren't happy with the direction of the game) and others take their place. So again, it comes down to are you willing to lose existing patrons to attract the new ones by changing your story to appease the new patrons at the expense of the older ones?

Also, keep in mind that Mr. Silver wasn't even around in the first iterations of Babysitter either. He showed up in later updates. As to whether that was always the plan, well T4boo can elaborate if he chooses, but NTR wasn't what brought me to this game at all. It was because Christine and Jessica are cute, and I want to play with them in the game. Pure and simple.
 

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The 1st post says nothing about NTR.

"Genre: 3DCG, Corruption, Teen, Incest, Anal, Feet, Voyeurism, Sleep, Harem, Group Sex, Lesbian, Milf"

So has NTR come to this game?
 
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