Ren'Py Completed Babysitter [Final v0.2.2b] [T4bbo]

[WICKEDp4th]

The 1st post says nothing about NTR.

"Genre: 3DCG, Corruption, Teen, Incest, Anal, Feet, Voyeurism, Sleep, Harem, Group Sex, Lesbian, Milf"

So has NTR come to this game?

Well can't say for sure but...

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[riddikk91]

Oh fuck... I sense another 10-20 pages of pointless fucking NTR debate shit-storm coming... I'll just keep enjoying this game quietly by myself! LOL!!!

 

[OhWee]

Oh fuck... I sense another 10-20 pages of pointless fucking NTR debate shit-storm coming... I'll just keep enjoying this game quietly by myself! LOL!!!

Well, if it gets us to 100+ pages, I guess it'll be worth it...
I should be working on Steamier mod anyways rather than wearing out my F5 key...

 

[a1fox3]

Well can't say for sure but...

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I always warn her about him.

If it does I will drop this game like a lead balloon.

 

[WICKEDp4th]

I always warn her about him.

If it does I will drop this game like a lead balloon.

Did the same but the girl is stubborn as hell, i guess she has to make her own errors.

 

[supermanz95]

What was even the point of leading up to the patreon route so you could avoid all the other fuking nonsense ?

 

[CobraPL]

Just a note. When I first played Big Brother early on, there was no Eric. He was added a bit later...

And again you've said that developers haven't lost patrons, but can't prove that. I'm telling you I've had a number of people tell me (on Discord, etc.) that they no longer patronize certain games because of that (they have no interest in NTR, and don't support those games anymore once it gets introduced). Just like someone here said in a recent post that they don't like incest, even though that's been at the core of Babysitter since day 1.

Their overall Patron count may be the same or higher, but a number of patrons move on for various reasons (mainly because they aren't happy with the direction of the game) and others take their place. So again, it comes down to are you willing to lose existing patrons to attract the new ones by changing your story to appease the new patrons at the expense of the older ones?

Also, keep in mind that Mr. Silver wasn't even around in the first iterations of Babysitter either. He showed up in later updates. As to whether that was always the plan, well T4boo can elaborate if he chooses, but NTR wasn't what brought me to this game at all. It was because Christine and Jessica are cute, and I want to play with them in the game. Pure and simple.

I will be patron IF he adds NTR @Ignazzio @NTR is love NTR is life cheers guys, NTR 4all !

 

[User_10739]

OK, so my take on the current state of things.

So, one thing that bothered me about this update was that as pointed out it was fairly linear. And it really bothered me that (as far as I can tell) that a decision made a couple of updates ago decides if Christine works for Mr. Silver or goes to the gym. The whole conversation over lunch thing with Jess and Christine seemed to have no influence whatsoever on this decision, although I need to look over the code to make sure. So you were pretty much just along for the ride on this one. Same for the Sonya thing. Instakill is not cool unless you are playing first person shooters or something...

I agree with the comment that there should have been another option with Sonya, rather than her running to her husband and you getting killed. This might have been an opportunity for a third fork, i.e. if you treated her badly, yeah husband. If she was having second thoughts about your encounter (i.e. higher love/friend stat), then she's on the fence, because she's felt like she's been cheated on for a while, but could never prove it, and has been neglected at home/sex only occasionally or very robotic, hence she doesn't mind your dalliance, as she thinks of it as a moment of weakness only on her part. And of course the 'well you didn't fuck so she wants your help' that is in the game now.

I do like that T4boo is choosing not to revise the older story elements with each update, and is just focusing on advancing the story. I find it rather frustrating when old saves are broken for little gain, and so far I've had pretty good luck using my older saves in Babysitter, Steamier Mod variances aside (I just use the console to 'put things back' in this case until I get the next Steamy mod ready for prime time).

Finally, in the last episode, you and Christine were starting to hang out and develop a deeper relationship. I very much enjoyed her morning kitchen visits, and things seemed to be going in a very positive direction. In short, You, Jessica, and Christine were having fun together, and it was fun. In this update though, Christine is pretty much a victim throughout the episode. Her choices were made episodes ago, and she's just going through the motions. And she's already getting backed into a corner with Mr. Silver, and the laundromat guy (I really should look up his name) well it would appear that he's a pimp, based on the conversations in this episode. Yeah maybe he's a nice guy but everything he mentioned screamed 'pimp recruiting ho' to me.

Even the Jessica bathroom scene seemed forced to me, and as far as I could tell, staying to chat with Christine instead didn't have any payback that I could see.

And while you could choose to be a 'saint' in this update, let's face it that was a very boring path. It's like T4boo wants you to just be a lecherous uncle that leads Christine to ruin, rather than the 'more fun path' where Christine really likes you and is slowly figuring out just how much she likes you...

There are enough games already where the main female characters are slowly corrupted into becoming sex toys. I'd rather this not be one of them. I like it when this game is fun and playful, and this episode didn't seem very fun and playful. Yeah that approach may be unrealistic, but up to this point that's what I've been wanting out of this game. I don't want the female characters to be mindless sex toys. But I do want them to fall for the Uncle/MC of course, and I want that to feel like a torrid affair and not a manipulation fest.

One other thing that I wouldn't mind at this point is if the MC could focus on one character from this point forward. I.E. he decides to chase Sonya, Jessica, or Christine, and the game decisions play into that: i.e. 'It's date time, do you: go out with Christine, go out with Jessica, or go out with Sonja', with said opportunities playing into how well you are doing with each character.

While I wouldn't mind a 'harem' ending, I'm not sure that's quite in the cards with this story. A tryst or two maybe... but in the end I think the MC should end up with one of them, and with the other two being 'just friends' at this point (and maybe occasional friends with benefits, for more trysts if you 'nuanced' your playthrough just right). That would be three clear and distinct paths that I'd very much be on board with, and would incidentally add some replayability, i.e. 'I want to pursue Jessica this play through'.

As for Mr. Silver and the laundromat dude - fuck them, they can go get their own bitches. Jessica, Christine, and Sonya are for the MC only! And between those three competing for the MC's attention, there is plenty of 'conflict' to go around already (once those three start seriously considering the MC as a potential love interest, and start working towards winning him over), without introducing cock blocking as well.

Oh, and yes I want to see Jessica banging Josh... and I mean in that order (Jessica wants it, she just doesn't want Josh to know she really wants it). On the webcam of course!

Here, Here!
This whole game seems to revolve around Sonya who thinks she loves you yet rats you out and gets you killed without seeing it coming and Christine who goes on a subway ride and then rides a BBC. Jessica strokes your dick with her foot then is shocked when you make advances, it is just a clusterfuck of cuck... (Okay not real cuck but a cock blocking frustrating nightmare...) Honestly we all want to bang Christina, her Mom, Sonya & Jessica where is the harm in that?
When I first started playing this on it's first release I thought great, kinda successful dude nice apartment with hottub, young niece come to live with him and he walks around in his gitch all day, it should be like shooting fish in a barrel but it has become a hair pulling, frustrating debacle...

 

[nyalest]

Honestly we all want to bang Christina, her Mom, Sonya & Jessica where is the harm in that?

Haha XD. Good one.

 

[User_166761]

Here, Here!
This whole game seems to revolve around Sonya who thinks she loves you yet rats you out and gets you killed without seeing it coming and Christine who goes on a subway ride and then rides a BBC. Jessica strokes your dick with her foot then is shocked when you make advances, it is just a clusterfuck of cuck... (Okay not real cuck but a cock blocking frustrating nightmare...) Honestly we all want to bang Christina, her Mom, Sonya & Jessica where is the harm in that?
When I first started playing this on it's first release I thought great, kinda successful dude nice apartment with hottub, young niece come to live with him and he walks around in his gitch all day, it should be like shooting fish in a barrel but it has become a hair pulling, frustrating debacle...

Just because you don't bang them immediately does not mean you won't. What's the problem with having a little bit of back and forth? that's how the real world works, that's how humans behave. Immersion is key for delivering rewarding porn. It's not reasonable to want every game to be a rape fest like Dreams of Desire. Doing so is celebrating mediocrity for some easy faps, while dooming long term rewards like having a cohesive plot and build up when the game is finally completed.

I would rather see more diversity in porn games than see more games like DoD or DmD, which make a mockery out of relationships.

 

[csw]

This is probably one of those games that are way overrated, and every new update that is coming out is proving that, this game is no big deal, it just got lucky on the marketing department. Quite a few other much better games haven't been so lucky (some were mentioned on this topic). I remember few months ago this game having a huge boost on his patrons in only 2 or 3 days, due to a shootout made by another game which kicked in this game into the hype train (which surprisingly it's still in) I'm just curious to see how much longer this dev can hold this hype by releasing updates one worse than the other before and with awful game design decisions. My 2 cents.

 

[Shardoom]

Wait, the niece has actually fucked the black guy now?

No 'NTR' in this game, what a fucking joke...

 

[crl66]

hi guys, I'm just curious, what does Christine said when you asked her on bedroom after the disco? I don't have friendship points to ask. tia!

 

[Burt Reynolds Mustache]

Wait, the niece has actually fucked the black guy now?

No 'NTR' in this game, what a fucking joke...

Someone mentioned this earlier in the thread, but I haven't seen evidence of it as of yet. The problem is with as hard as it is to unlock scenes. It COULD be in there and I haven't seen it yet.

I do kinda doubt it.

hi guys, I'm just curious, what does Christine said when you asked her on bedroom after the disco? I don't have friendship points to ask. tia!

Very little, it's a mock job interview. I have no idea why it's gated behind a friendship test as there is nothing really sexy about it. You can't even get a naked peep out of it.

 

[Darkaura]

Incest.

Although incest is REALLY not my thing, and I very much prefer the My New Neighbor or ex's stepdaughter route, I don't think it pisses anyone off like NTR does. So it's a fetish a dev can add that does not cost fans and patrons, so it's added to the list of kinks a dev puts on their early Patreon to draw early fans. In contrast NTR has a passionate following since it's largely shunned, that can give a dev an early pop in subscribers, but ultimately a bad idea for a good, successful dev as it pisses off 70% or more of the potential market.

 

[Skylaroo]

Looking at everything I think the biggest issue the game has is the extremely strict point system, which honestly adds very little to the story or game itself and just works more as an artificial gate to a lot of the lewd content.

100% agree. The point system is done very poorly in this game. It feels like the game is designed purposely to have poor point system to force players to do more trial-n-error in replaying the game, and then using that as "replay value" to make it as if the game has more content than what it really has.

 

[Ignazzio]

I think the issue is that the people who dislike NTR, HATE IT. While it seems anyway, people are more willing to deal with incest games, even if they don't particularly like that kink. If the art is good, most people can ignore it.

I would say that those who hate it are just vocal. It's the same with BB thread - 4-5 same people creating pretty fake (in my opinion) outrage. Most people don't have developed internet fetish. Incest is just a cool setting in which you can ignore some facts if you wish to.

Just a note. When I first played Big Brother early on, there was no Eric. He was added a bit later...

He was added in 0.2 I think. He was essential plot and gameplaywise and that's why BB is more like a VN without direction right now.

And again you've said that developers haven't lost patrons, but can't prove that. I'm telling you I've had a number of people tell me (on Discord, etc.) that they no longer patronize certain games because of that (they have no interest in NTR, and don't support those games anymore once it gets introduced). Just like someone here said in a recent post that they don't like incest, even though that's been at the core of Babysitter since day 1.

I know about those people as they were vocal in BB's thread. How can't I prove it? I can show you Graphtreon statistics of every dev who added NTR. Not even one lost his patrons but all are growing. It's easy to say that it's a positive. We all have different expectations from a game.

Also, keep in mind that Mr. Silver wasn't even around in the first iterations of Babysitter either. He showed up in later updates. As to whether that was always the plan, well T4boo can elaborate if he chooses, but NTR wasn't what brought me to this game at all. It was because Christine and Jessica are cute, and I want to play with them in the game. Pure and simple.

Ofc he wasn't. That's just my wish to see his route (especially since dev highlighted it a lot). But it could be someone else easily. Supposed freedom of choices is what brought me to the game. I see no reason to say that I'm a worse kind of player or my money are worse. My interest is just different than yours.

Although incest is REALLY not my thing, and very much prefer the My New Neighbor or ex's stepdaughter route, I don't think it pisses anyone off like NTR does. So it's a fetish a dev can add that does not cost fans and patrons, so it's added to the list of kinks a dev puts on their early Patreon to draw early fans. In contrast NTR has a passionate following since it's largely shunned, that can give a dev an early pop in subscribers, but ultimately a bad idea for a good, successful dev as it pisses off 70% or more of the potential market.

Which dev actually lost his patrons after adding NTR?

Damn, and it all started just because I want an OPTIONAL route which some of guys here don't like. That's pretty annoying

 

[Darkaura]

Which dev actually lost his patrons after adding NTR?

DarkSilver LOST patrons the month he turned Eric's god mode on. Every other month he gained patrons. And he continues to gain patrons every month since he said "there will be no more Eric content."

 

[CobraPL]

I would say that those who hate it are just vocal. It's the same with BB thread - 4-5 same people creating pretty fake (in my opinion) outrage. Most people don't have developed internet fetish. Incest is just a cool setting in which you can ignore some facts if you wish to.

He was added in 0.2 I think. He was essential plot and gameplaywise and that's why BB is more like a VN without direction right now.

I know about those people as they were vocal in BB's thread. How can't I prove it? I can show you Graphtreon statistics of every dev who added NTR. Not even one lost his patrons but all are growing. It's easy to say that it's a positive. We all have different expectations from a game.

Ofc he wasn't. That's just my wish to see his route (especially since dev highlighted it a lot). But it could be someone else easily. Supposed freedom of choices is what brought me to the game. I see no reason to say that I'm a worse kind of player or my money are worse. My interest is just different than yours.

Which dev actually lost his patrons after adding NTR?

Damn, and it all started just because I want an OPTIONAL route which some of guys here don't like. That's pretty annoying

Agree 100% !!! Free beer for @Ignazzio

And yes, If you don't want NTR, don't play that route.

 

[Jcj]

The problems with this game are numerous and I wrote many of them in my review but the main problem with the game is it's a porn game with no porn.

I understand how you want a slow burn with the niece but why the friend too? She's an admitted slut. Why not introduce an ex-gf who wants to get back together. Too many of these devs think they are writing shakespere go to a hentai site that is what we are looking for the plot is only a device to get to the porn.

IMO, fucking the friend right away would kill it with your niece, but yeah, the 'realistic idea' would be first Sonya, then Jess and finally Chris.