VN Ren'Py Abandoned Bad Decisions [v0.3] [Traitos]

[DoofusMan]

Chill Fan boy , it's cool you like NTR and NTR games and so this game , not everyone has the same kink as you , I hate it , no one knows about the actual content of the game whether it is avoidable or not as nothing about it said in the genre or dev notes just plain NTR tag. Do you know even in NTR games they mention whether NTR is optional , avoidable or unavoidable to prevent players arguing about it ? Thank you Valeriyo huge respect my man .He did me a huge favor for me and those who hate NTR by that review that there is unavoidable NTR in the game so those who don't like those will avoid playing it instead of arguing about unavoidable NTR . Now knowing that this is NTR focused game, this game is not for me , I wish the dev good luck and added the game to the ignore list . Sure you can understand lol that is why you are facepalming to others comments

P.S I don't care about your facepalm fanboy . keep them coming .

Lol, I never said I was a fan of NTR. To be precise I'm essentially largely indifferent to NTR and never actively seek it. And from what I understand about NTR, this is pretty tame NTR lol. And I know not everyone like it, don't worry you guys never miss a chance to remind us even in games that the title says it hahaha. I even said that it's fine if people don't like it and never said otherwise either.

I just said that nothing constructive was said and there's not much point in saying you don't like something without trying to give at least potential solutions/advices/etc in a respectful manner also. Otherwise it's not constructive and just brings negative energy for no reason. Let alone when you do a synopsis of a large portion of a game while saying you skipped the rest and then just whine about not understanding stuff and not liking X or Y without trying to suggest things that might be useful and that might improve the content if the dev agrees.

Yeah I know about asking if it's avoidable or not and etc, lmao. Again you guys spam all the games with that stuff and keep commenting asking about it before even reading the original post where largely most of the time it indicates it, which btw if you bothered reading the devs note you'd see that he did speak about it in detail and it's FAR from being a game about NTR and even he has a hard time saying if it's really NTR or not and at that point it depends really on each person what they consider NTR or not. But it seems that you guys have a tendency to skip important stuff lol.

Also in cases where it's not specified at all in the original post then you can always search "NTR" in the search bar for the thread where you'd probably easily find your answer (especially here with so few pages you'd see it's already been discussed more than once).

Oh and it's a kinetic VN, so that should answer your question if it's avoidable or not in itself. Not really hard to put together. You just have to pay attention to the content of the original post.

So I don't see how Valeriyo did you a huge favor by making a highly misinformed skewed synopsis of a game he skipped half-of and making you assume the game is all about NTR. When in fact it's really not the case.

Then I can understand where people are coming from yes while also disagreeing with the way they expressed their opinion. One is not exclusive to the other lmao. So yeah I don't mind keeping on putting facepalms reactions when I think it deserves one. I do it because I feel it's relevant to do since it does make me feel that way and I don't expect anything to come from it necessarily or wait for people to come crying about it or something lol. It just to let people know I didn't appreciate the post basically, wtv that does in the end I don't care much, it's just there.

Oh and call me fanboy all you want I'm not afraid of saying I like the game a lot, but it's irrelevant to my key points which come from basic principles. I didn't say all that stuff because I think the game is great, it would've been just alright and I still would've said it because I still would've had an issue with what was said and the way it was said.

Man you guys are good assuming stuff lol.

I actually totally agree with everything you said. It's true. I should be more careful and place a warning at the very beginning. Dealing with NTR content I'm well aware that there are people who simply do not like it, no matter the context. I understand this and that's why I don' waste people's time and my own by trying to convince what it is and what is not. This was actually helpful.

I mean yeah adding a warning in game is not a bad idea for sure. Can't hurt anyone and might avoid cases where people don't take time to read/check the devs notes or description for more info about potential NTR content and then complains about it being a "surprise" or etc. It's would be a good failsafe of sorts.

I never had issue with that idea, nor making these things avoidable in some games or etc. I just have issue with people not taking the time to do their due diligence in checking if there is any info about why there's the NTR tag and then suddenly get offended. And/or misrepresenting a game after they skipped half of it by making a ton of wrongful assumptions and not giving any context or the wrong context.

But otherwise, anything that can inform a player of what they are about to consume and their potentially offensive content in a convenient manner is never a bad thing obviously.

And yeah no need to debate if the content that may or may not be considered NTR is or isn't because as I said and you said yourself in your dev notes; it truly depends of the person and what they consider or not NTR themselves. So it's hard to announce it as anything other than content that could potentially be considered NTR lol.

 

[Harem Trooper]

Jesus lmao. All I can see is a synopsis that could be resumed in "the themes of this game are not the ones I'm used to and the context and story behind the characters and their H-scenes aren't my cup of tea". Which is fine in itself, but the way you explained and detailed it ain't really constructive and comes off really whiney.

Also the fact you skipped through the second half kinda removes credibility behind what you're trying to say. Especially that you didn't even get to understand the pregnant woman used the same drug mentioned by other characters to induce a state of extremely high subjectivity/control over Damian's girlfriend lol. And many other really important details that you skipped on and would've explained questions that you have or made you able to understand better why some stuff is happening the way they do.

Who said he didn't want some form of NTR here or there?

Who said he wanted to redeem Lily or make her a love interest or do that in a quick way? I think the backstabber friend plot gives a nice amount of tension to the story and makes it less predictable and a lot of outcomes can come off from that.

Also yeah a BJ can have you quite spent if it doesn't take you 2mins to cum lol. It's called pacing, so that you don't blow all the excitement of escalations of sex scenes in one go and build up the tension to make the next ones even hotter.

Then why would it be bad to have multiple protagonist? I think it's well executed and it's a breath of fresh air vs the other games.

Same goes for the models Traitos made, that's totally subjective of course but personally I love them because they are not the typical bimbos with mega tits that look like bad boob jobs with blowup doll lips and shit lmao.

They also have very distinct looks and personality between themselves and it's a good challenge to take on as a dev and so far he's been pulling it off pretty well imo.

Also yeah you can't change the names because in the end no character is really the MC, it tells the story of multiple characters that are all impacted by the main overarching plots while also living their own subplots that sometimes intersect and goes further than "wow, MC has a really huge PENNE, I gotta have me some of that hehe" lol.

Also never heard of a guy and girl living collocation while having a platonic relationship and having their own relationships on each of their sides? Also it is explained more in detail as to why they live together but you probably skipped it anyway.

Also Abigail did continue insisted on the blowjob because she doesn't know at all he's gay and she desperately needs the job and is too scared to lose the opportunity so she goes all in literally lol. Ain't really hard to grasp. And the fact that the guy is secretly gay and stuck in a similar reversed situation as her makes it all the more complex and interesting.

Also you make all kinds of weird assumptions like "Like that will somehow reduce the NTR right?" when talking about the reveal that the director that Abi sucks is gay. I would be surprised if that even came to mind of Traitos when building that scene and I didn't even started to conceive it as a possibility before reading your stuff lol. Also since no one is really the MC because there are none, how could it annoy you as NTR, since you're not really supposed to self-insert in any character specifically? Hence why you don't changes any names and follow multiple characters closely.

I think that not only you came at this game with a bad angle while also not actually reading it throughout; but also it's deals in theme and has a presentation that isn't your cup of tea. And that is fine, you have the right to your own opinions and tastes, but you can't really blame the dev for those things and even less critique it the way you did as I described in the beginning.

Anyways, on that note, have a good one bud.
And try to keep it constructive next time, because just complaining about not getting it and not liking stuff *isn't* constructive.


How can it be a credible review if he starts by saying he skipped half the game? lol
And call it a "sacrifice" please...

But hey, if the themes of the game doesn't seem like your thing I can understand that, sure. Fair enough.

Here is the thing. This is the second version of devs. game.
I didnt touched the first version since from the comments here it was to much fucked up from a plot point where even he himself realised it and changed it.
So I waited to try his second version out which I did.

What you need to know is that the focus was to be some sort of Dark setting where MC "heals" the LI through the story...romantic and sexually.
His earlier version but also this new one should have this type of setting, thats what he said in his last comments. That was my last knowledge of what the dev. was planning and with that sentiment I tried the game out.
So that the game now has multiple protagonist is kinda odd, but I still rolled with it to see how it will end.
Most people tend to personalizes themself as the MC, even if the story tells them not to.
Or why do you think harem players wont touch a NTR story even if it was told from the female perspective ?

And I said that I "stopped it in the middle and skipped through the dialogs", but I still finished it and I got most of the plot what was needed to know. Everything what is important is in there, or at least for me to decide If I should continue playing it when new patch arrives or not. Or how do you think I know about it what happend there to the end ?
I mean if you think it removes credibility, then its up to you. But I explained how the story I experienced in detail. Im sorry if you dont see it that way.

I already had a guess that THE Drug played some role with his GF and Miranda (Its heavily mentioned during Lily and Principal talk and the Black guy conversation with the coworker of MC), but I also said that I dont even cared from that point because the novel lost my interest earlier. Except your into NTR which im not and Im glad I ignored it.

The same with the Abi and MC living in the same House. Remember when I said its confusing in the beginning ?
Well, what I wanted to say is that things like these should be explained earlier because people can and will misunderstand things pretty easy from that point on if they arnt explained properelly. And if you have question over question like me (which arnt plot related questions by the way) but simple character behaviour or simple situations, it tend to stack up with other problems the game have and lose interest to the game.

Who said he didn't want some form of NTR here or there?

The dev. himself. That was the whole backlash in the first version. If you read some previous comments you will see.

When I saw the BJ part I checked the updated Developer Notes about NTR if he changed his mind or what or why was the reason for the BJ scene. (You know, because when he decided to make a new version of the game because people didnt liked the NTR stuff, why would he still have scenes with NTR in it ?)
So I find out its still in there but It was my mistake since I didnt checked it before, since he updated it. And I already was playing it. Personally I dont mind it ONLY if its done in a good way. However in this version its not.

Thats why I commented "Like that will somehow reduce the NTR right?"
The thing that she is forced to do it, the thing that she is crying, the think that the principal is gay are all (probably) there to make her more innocent to the readers eyes. So even if she does these things we shouldnt criticize her because of that.

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We know that later she will be a LI for the MC (expect even that was changed) so when player see this it will influence not only their behaviour to this LI, but also to the game itself.
So even when she has a clearly save route not to do it, she still insists to do it, despite she showed just 2 renders ago she really hate doing it. Its moronic and from what I read I didnt get Abi as a moronic character.

I know that she dont know that the principal is gay but her on insiting it because its "hard to grasp" is purely for the NTR.
And thats not really the problem that there is NTR, its how poorly the NTR is done.
Like I already said, this was the whole problem like it was in the previous version. Aka have "healing sex" with rape victims type of BS. But sadly even with these tropes it wont reduce the NTR. Its just that and people who dont like it (people like me), wont like it.

And if Lily is a LI at all, it will be almost impossible to redeem her from how I see it. Its was just my personal view. And if the plot goes into more fucked up shit (which lets be clear it will since its a Dark setting) which will force Abi to do more fucked up shit and other LI, you kinda will have a hard time to redeem her.
You may find it interesting, thats all cool and I personal dont really mind it but that was not the debate. The "debate" (if you wanna call it that) was that I just dont see how the dev. can change the whole narrativeto to "redeem" her, expect without coming out cheap.(of course if she is a LI at all).

I agree that the models is always a personal taste. For me these are the typical models from Honey Select you find one some sharing sites. Which I dont mind and If I should be honest, I prefer Models from Honest Selcet.
However, these are not good looking ones.
Yes, like I said its personal taste but like I also said, if they the story dont interests me, has stuff I dont like (NTR) and also dont have attractive models I will lose interest in the game. I didnt blamed the dev. for it. I know how hard it is to come up with good looking ones, even harder when you want to be original. Its just that.

Oh, and the BJ scene. You may compare it to pacing and Im not the guy who necessarily wants a the whole package. But first impressions mater and like we saw I already have other problems with the game. If the sex scenes (or in this case) the behavior were more "masculine", it could have persuade some people to keep reading it.
The issue is how it was done if the game wants me to say that is THIS guy who we will see upcoming sex scenes. (Because lets be real, it will)
Expect the "MC" is not just some side character in a novel where he will act more in a beta/cuck mentality, I dont see how this "MC" can even satisfy a single woman after a single BJ. And in a porn game where "healing" will be done to some point with banging you probably see my concerns.

I dont bash the dev. for what he is doing because its not like he is lying. At least I didnt get the vibe of it.
He also has the right TAGs now. Its his personal viewpoint what he thinks NTR is or not.
I just came back to try his new version out because his idea were interesting but after playing I just didnt liked it.

I get that you like the game, but for people who thought it would continuing with the "Harem end" type of Plot and without any NTR, its just not the game for me or the type of people.

 

[DoofusMan]

Here is the thing. This is the second version of devs. game.
I didnt touched the first version since from the comments here it was to much fucked up from a plot point where even he himself realised it and changed it.
So I waited to try his second version out which I did.

What you need to know is that the focus was to be some sort of Dark setting where MC "heals" the LI through the story...romantic and sexually.
His earlier version but also this new one should have this type of setting, thats what he said in his last comments. That was my last knowledge of what the dev. was planning and with that sentiment I tried the game out.
So that the game now has multiple protagonist is kinda odd, but I still rolled with it to see how it will end.
Most people tend to personalizes themself as the MC, even if the story tells them not to.
Or why do you think harem players wont touch a NTR story even if it was told from the female perspective ?

And I said that I "stopped it in the middle and skipped through the dialogs", but I still finished it and I got most of the plot what was needed to know. Everything what is important is in there, or at least for me to decide If I should continue playing it when new patch arrives or not. Or how do you think I know about it what happend there to the end ?
I mean if you think it removes credibility, then its up to you. But I explained how the story I experienced in detail. Im sorry if you dont see it that way.

I already had a guess that THE Drug played some role with his GF and Miranda (Its heavily mentioned during Lily and Principal talk and the Black guy conversation with the coworker of MC), but I also said that I dont even cared from that point because the novel lost my interest earlier. Except your into NTR which im not and Im glad I ignored it.

The same with the Abi and MC living in the same House. Remember when I said its confusing in the beginning ?
Well, what I wanted to say is that things like these should be explained earlier because people can and will misunderstand things pretty easy from that point on if they arnt explained properelly. And if you have question over question like me (which arnt plot related questions by the way) but simple character behaviour or simple situations, it tend to stack up with other problems the game have and lose interest to the game.


The dev. himself. That was the whole backlash in the first version. If you read some previous comments you will see.

When I saw the BJ part I checked the updated Developer Notes about NTR if he changed his mind or what or why was the reason for the BJ scene. (You know, because when he decided to make a new version of the game because people didnt liked the NTR stuff, why would he still have scenes with NTR in it ?)
So I find out its still in there but It was my mistake since I didnt checked it before, since he updated it. And I already was playing it. Personally I dont mind it ONLY if its done in a good way. However in this version its not.

Thats why I commented "Like that will somehow reduce the NTR right?"
The thing that she is forced to do it, the thing that she is crying, the think that the principal is gay are all (probably) there to make her more innocent to the readers eyes. So even if she does these things we shouldnt criticize her because of that.

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We know that later she will be a LI for the MC (expect even that was changed) so when player see this it will influence not only their behaviour to this LI, but also to the game itself.
So even when she has a clearly save route not to do it, she still insists to do it, despite she showed just 2 renders ago she really hate doing it. Its moronic and from what I read I didnt get Abi as a moronic character.

I know that she dont know that the principal is gay but her on insiting it because its "hard to grasp" is purely for the NTR.
And thats not really the problem that there is NTR, its how poorly the NTR is done.
Like I already said, this was the whole problem like it was in the previous version. Aka have "healing sex" with rape victims type of BS. But sadly even with these tropes it wont reduce the NTR. Its just that and people who dont like it (people like me), wont like it.

And if Lily is a LI at all, it will be almost impossible to redeem her from how I see it. Its was just my personal view. And if the plot goes into more fucked up shit (which lets be clear it will since its a Dark setting) which will force Abi to do more fucked up shit and other LI, you kinda will have a hard time to redeem her.
You may find it interesting, thats all cool and I personal dont really mind it but that was not the debate. The "debate" (if you wanna call it that) was that I just dont see how the dev. can change the whole narrativeto to "redeem" her, expect without coming out cheap.(of course if she is a LI at all).

I agree that the models is always a personal taste. For me these are the typical models from Honey Select you find one some sharing sites. Which I dont mind and If I should be honest, I prefer Models from Honest Selcet.
However, these are not good looking ones.
Yes, like I said its personal taste but like I also said, if they the story dont interests me, has stuff I dont like (NTR) and also dont have attractive models I will lose interest in the game. I didnt blamed the dev. for it. I know how hard it is to come up with good looking ones, even harder when you want to be original. Its just that.

Oh, and the BJ scene. You may compare it to pacing and Im not the guy who necessarily wants a the whole package. But first impressions mater and like we saw I already have other problems with the game. If the sex scenes (or in this case) the behavior were more "masculine", it could have persuade some people to keep reading it.
The issue is how it was done if the game wants me to say that is THIS guy who we will see upcoming sex scenes. (Because lets be real, it will)
Expect the "MC" is not just some side character in a novel where he will act more in a beta/cuck mentality, I dont see how this "MC" can even satisfy a single woman after a single BJ. And in a porn game where "healing" will be done to some point with banging you probably see my concerns.

I dont bash the dev. for what he is doing because its not like he is lying. At least I didnt get the vibe of it.
He also has the right TAGs now. Its his personal viewpoint what he thinks NTR is or not.
I just came back to try his new version out because his idea were interesting but after playing I just didnt liked it.

I get that you like the game, but for people who thought it would continuing with the "Harem end" type of Plot and without any NTR, its just not the game for me or the type of people.

Why does people keep saying I like NTR xD. I stated clearly I'm indifferent to it and just mostly don't mind it but it's not something I seek out on purpose lmao.

And wait, you're saying that the BJ scene before the guy wasn't gay and she wasn't crying and he did those changes after people said it was too NTR for them? I only started playing it on the 2.0 version so I didn't knew, if it was the case.

Your clarification on Lily as a LI or not is totally fair and I agree. I don't think it's a character that will try to be redeemed but if it is, it will be a really hard thing to do but not impossible. Also there is the angle that some people are simply into that kind of character with a moral compass that's skewed as hell. Anything is possible really.

About the models yes of course it's all personal opinions and personally even though they aren't the best models ever made obviously, I think most of them are really well chosen and morphed. And those with more meat on them and with out-of-the-norm body types have morphs that are not as good sure but in my opinion they are still pretty nice and the simple fact that they break out from the usual stuff makes up for it. But yes, in the end this is all very subjective as I said before and you just agreed to.

But other than that I have the strong impression you think I'm bothered by the fact you didn't like the game but I don't mind that at all. If it doesn't click with you then it just doesn't and that's ok and totally fair. But the way you went about expressing it had a great lack of tact and also didn't bring the necessary constructiveness to justify all that was being said without making it sound like just a big post that is only negative for the sake of being negative. In my eye it was an issue of principle rather than a debate on if the game is good or not.

Now, you keep talking about healing through sex and etc...but I don't ever remember that being mentioned anywhere nor was a vibe or theme felt in the game. As far as I know anyway.

Also I think it's pretty quick on drawing conclusion about one BJ scene dictating the stamina and capacity for a character for sex and satisfying sexually love interests for the rest of the game. I'd personally wait for the character to get more action first to make my impression on how it's going to look like forward in their H-scenes.

Finally, I wanna make it clear again that I don't mind people preferring things over another and ending up not liking this game. It's normal, it's bound to happen obviously and to each their own. The only time I get bothered regarding anything on here is when people make posts that bring negativity without bringing anything constructive to the table in exchange. So it ends up just being mostly rude and unnecessary.

I'm glad you took the time to answer and in a more diplomatic way too. It's appreciated.

 

[Harem Trooper]

And from what I understand about NTR, this is pretty tame NTR lol.

Your chubby GF get litterly drugged and fucks with a different chick. Also the other LI sells her body out and you can expect to see more of it. If this is "tame" then its up to you but most people dont see this as tame.

I already told you that but If you think its not constructive its up to you.
I didnt "misinformed" anyone for what I can tell, and since your the one who wants always a monotonic posts you should correct every single "misinformation" I did.

Most of my reviews or posts are done for people like me as a warning. And like you saw to some point I was successfully.
I get that you would prefer a constructive one. But for that I need have the will to finish it and have the nerves to talk about it.
Like you saw and have read, I got full up with it during the half of it (during the MC meeting with the boss in the company) and skipped through the dialog.

That dosent mean I didnt read nothing from this point on. I skipped unimportant stuff for me. Or why to you think I knew about Lily plot despite it happen after the MC + Boss talk in the company ?

And why should I give advise in a NTR game ? Whats the point if its already a big nope for me from there ?
From my experience it never ends good if the Dev. listens to the people here in the forum.
Sure, its nice when the Dev. is active with his fan base and its always nice when he give the people what they want.
Problem is, here we have NTR and for me to like it (or things I need to suggests) obviously things NTR needs to go.
However, this game builds up the NTR as a foundament.
Which isnt specific automaticly bad, its just wasnt done good and if we read the Developer Notes I will expect more if it.
So why even try wasting time for stuff I dont want to see in the first place, even less if I wont play the game either ?

About the avoidable part.
He asks because he showed interest to the game. Like for him and me NTR is a big no. You may find it funny or stupid and I will even agree to some point of it. Still, the fact is that some things will never work out, like harem/"healing" or what ever dev. is planning (wholesome stuff?) with NTR. And people will always try to ask or find a way to avoid it.
The game is not a purely NTR game, we konw that at least (at the current version).
It just have elements of it. And people just want to know how much of and how bad it is. You self said every one has a differet version what NTR means on this forum and I explained what happen in the NTR part. So whats your problem here ?

 

[jxd]

I downloaded this based on the mind control tag but at the beginning the sister or "roommate" is already fucking some mutt and keeps thinking about him as the game progresses. I dumped this in the trash and moved on to the next game. Good luck to you dev, no hard feelings, It's just not for me.

oh shit, i was reading mixed comments until i came across this, canceling download, thanks for the notice.
Good luck to the developer because I saw that it is a first project so I wanted to download it and make a review, but if there are going to be inconsistencies like the one mentioned above, I better save myself the anger.

 

[jxd]

I tried to play it but I stopped it in the middle and skipped through the dialogs to see if its worth.
And to be honest, I dont know if I should.
Story wast not that interesting and the models didnt persuaded me to continue. (No hard feelings).
Ah, and it has NTR in the game, so be warned.

Its also confusing in the beginning.
You play (In the beginning) as the MC Damian (You cant change the name), and you life with a girl called Abigail who is a Teacher in a House. She looks much younger then you tho so its not a Milf Teacher, but a Teacher who started her carrier 2-3 years ago.

You dont love each other in a romantic way because the MC has a chubby GF called Valentine but for some reason you dont live with your GF but with Abi. No drama with her and MC so its probably not a story where the established couples will change their relationship in the end.
In the beginning Abi gets fired because she had sex with Doug, a guy she likes/loves but she dont want the MC to know about it. Why? I dont know. I dont get why since she knows MC has already a GF for 7 years and she dont shows any romantic feelings for MC whats so ever. I mean even after she got fired Doug lives rent free in Abis head.

A friend of Abi, called Lily comes during the day to confront her what she did. Aka she saw her and Doug banging. Since she is fired she offers her to work on a new University/School/Academy. She takes it and we continue with the MC in the story.
We get to know the chubby GF :

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From here we play Abi again (multiple protagonist ) where she travel to the new University/School/Academy.
She talks with the principal. He offers her the job only when she blows him. Very original.
Surprisingly, she refuses. She dont have a inner monolog. Just says "What...what do I do? what do i do ?" and runs off.
But if you think she safe just wait.

After then we play MC again. He is outside waiting for someone. Its our Coworker "Spider" who is banging a younger chick. MC dont see the action, but you as the reader see them banging. After that she runs off for what ever the reason is and Spider tells MC she is young but not young enough to go to jail.
So Spider is a Fuck boy type of character in the story, you probably will see him more in the story with NTR content.
You and the Fuck boy go to your work place. It seems MC work in a spediteur?/Freight forwarder company.
Three new character are introduced, all females. One of them are your boss. She tells you that the Fuck boy will travel alot with the truck, the other chick too and you get the manager position. Everything else who was not "loyal" enough got fired of some drama with Drugs and "Michelle" because the Boss dont want to risk to lose her business.

Both of the chicks wants a higher raise, but business goes bad and the boss cant afford it. She says some stuff like its impossible like getting a kiss from MC because MC only kisses Valentine because he is loyal.
They talk a bit and again, for what ever the reason was but not shown, both of them persuade the boss if they get to kiss the MC they get a higher raise.
From here I lost interested and skipped through the Dialogs.

Valentina visits a pregnant woman, scenes skips to Abi and her father where they have a verbal fight about money. She needs the money now and the only option she got offered was the from Lily. You can guess where this is going.
Later we get to know that Lily was responsible for Abis firing. She didnt loved Doug (yet), but considered it. After she saw her and Doug banging "something broke inside me". She wanted to take control over the Academy because her Father wants to. Lilly seems to love his daddy in many ways.

Lily wants Abi to become Principal Bitch, aka cumdumpster. He tells her he is gay . (Like that will somehow reduce the NTR right ?) The Principal even offers her to use THE DRUG, but refused because she dont want her to enjoy it. If Lily is a LI good luck on redeeming her dev.
Lily and Abi has some talk, next day Abi visits the principal to suck him of.
Some talk happens, she cries. Principal says she got the job and she starts Monday. Instead of taking it and moving on she stays to the point of sucking him off, even when the Principal kinda hints her way not to do it....since he is gay. Abi stays strong (lol) and Principal warns her this will be not a one time thing.

Principal says to suck only the tip, she goes for the whole sausage. She even says "Why does it taste good?"
Well, that was enough NTR for me then but I continued to see where it will end.
You get to see your GF banging some pregnant wife
This pregnant wife is Miranda and your GF calls her Master, dont ask me why. I dont even want to know it.
From here nothing interesting happens. Abi shorten her hair ? and she talks with a blue short haired girl. From her earlier behaviour my bet is she is a lesbian and has eyes for Abi.

After that it ends and we have some sort of a "Behind the scenes" type of scene where we can have ask different questions about Abi and the world.

So yeah, a strange novel with strange characters and their behaviour.
Game dont have a main Character but multiple ones, so expect much of fucked up shit in the future.
Its not for me, that I can clearly say.

Thanks for the "detailed" review and salute for your sacrifice .

 

[Harem Trooper]

Why does people keep saying I like NTR xD. I stated clearly I'm indifferent to it and just mostly don't mind it but it's not something I seek out on purpose lmao.

Well, the game has obvious NTR elements in it. And if people like it people will naturally thing you like that stuff. Its not necessarily far fetched.

And wait, you're saying that the BJ scene before the guy wasn't gay and she wasn't crying and he did those changes after people said it was too NTR for them?

Cant say since I didnt played the first version (Like I already told you that).
But I think this part/scene is new. Aka has nothing to do with the previous version.
In the previous version you had some weird relationship with your Dad who raped all his daughters and different girls who lived with him and some if not all developed stockholm syndrom towards him. Ah, he also raped you and you run away and came like 20 years later. During this time you dad raped all the LI.
Dad dies, you are forced to move with your GF to live with these new people despite you already working in a big company as a high figure. Apparently the only sex scene were with your Dad and the LI, and the "healing" would be done by also fucking with them after some of their emotional problems get solved.
Thats why I wrote the comment about fuck-"healing" the rape victims. So you as the reader gets cucked but also makes no sense how you wanna heal them.

Also there is the angle that some people are simply into that kind of character with a moral compass that's skewed as hell. Anything is possible really.

If thats the case then perhaps ? Like a different ending where MC becomes the bad guy as well ? But dont you need for that a complettly different path/story? From what I know he dont planned that.
The main plot is still this where MC will "save" or "heal" them. And I personally dont see how a person who did such bad things, like forcing a LI into a NTR scene (probalby even more in the future) you cant avoid, I dont think its even possible from that point on. At least not for people like me.

But the way you went about expressing it had a great lack of tact and also didn't bring the necessary constructiveness to justify all that was being said without making it sound like just a big post that is only negative for the sake of being negative. In my eye it was an issue of principle rather than a debate on if the game is good or not.

You are right. It was not constructiveness because it was done hastily after the finishing the game and some bad feelings still lingered about it. Disappointment, infuriated perhaps ? Playing it and moving on, that type of feel.
I dont know, but I did it in a funny way because sometimes venting feels good and as long the important stuff gets delivered I dont see a problem with that.
But still, that dosent change what I wrote was right. Everything plot related I got and what impacted me most was written.
Sure, it would be nice to be more professional but for that the game at least needs to deliver something for me.

Its by far not a shitty game, every one has his own tastes. I just I expected something different (from dev. comments...) and I find out it personaly through my own playthrough so its nothing new some people will vent. I guess you already familar with the No-NTR rage community lol.

Now, you keep talking about healing through sex and etc...but I don't ever remember that being mentioned anywhere nor was a vibe or theme felt in the game. As far as I know anyway.

I think the dev. himself can answear you that. I can only tell you that from the comments I read in this forum.
Since the game got changed into a new story, its possible this "healing" will never happen and its just a story about MC, Abi and perhaps some different Main Characters who fuck through the whole story.
I only mention it since that was my last update what the Dev. wanted to be this game to be.
Dev. planned this game to be some sort of a Dark theme where every LI has their own burden and MC will try to comfort her and help her out. Some stuff are normal like addict to drugs, some are rape victims and have problems to stay with a male in a room.

So MC will interact/work and bond with these LI. You know, kinda something like a little puppy who got abused by his former victims and has trouble to trust his new owner and the new owner tries to make his life most bearable...just here its LI and you can also bang them

The problem was that in the previous version has some dark shit in it where "healing" wouldnt really work out.
To some point the same we can see with Abi right now.

Also I think it's pretty quick on drawing conclusion about one BJ scene dictating the stamina and capacity for a character for sex and satisfying sexually love interests for the rest of the game.

You are not wrong here. I mean we all played or saw games/hentai/manhwas where the MC can go from 0 to 180 in a sec without need for explanation and people rolled with it.
But here is a bit different. Its not about the quality. Like I mentioned the Quality was pretty good.
Getting exhausted from a single BJ with a single render and a single animation kinda shows the reader the MC is not THE guy who will satisfy the needs of the woman in the game who needs the healing.

Expect its a Loser-to-Chad type of story I woudlnt mind that, but the game is not that. Or also that is changed.
I know dev. didnt thought much of it, its just to show us they love each other.
The other thing is that the game shows you different characters banging (which you cant skip or avoid) and do it properly while you kinda perform badly.

Like I said, first impression maters and there are other things which grinded my gears.

The only time I get bothered regarding anything on here is when people make posts that bring negativity without bringing anything constructive to the table in exchange

Its called venting. People like me obviously liked or expected something good. And if they get disapointed they mostly will vent.
Im not proud of it and I try not to do it. But sometimes it just slip through.
Like I mentioned, I told what happen in the game with my experience, it just had some bit of angry emotions also.
Personally, I dont see a problem with that, even if it was done to me.

 

[Harem Trooper]

Now, you keep talking about healing through sex and etc...but I don't ever remember that being mentioned anywhere nor was a vibe or theme felt in the game. As far as I know anyway.

Fuck, I made a stupid and huge mistake.
Ok listen, but dont get mad.

Your comment got me curious so I thought perhaps the comments got deleted. You know, once the NTR/No-NTR flame war happen mods tend to remove some of them.
So I checked...and found something interesting...its a different game

The game I was talking about was "Coming Home is Never Easy"

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I looked at the Guy from "Bad Decisions" and automacitly thought its the same Main Character...so I thought it was done by the same guy. Looking carefully I see they are different.
I mean I was already baffled that the game "Coming Home is Never Easy" which is still somewhere is in the 50% rework stage for the newest reworked 2.0 version. And I also found it strange that the Dev. changed his avatar...but I thought it was like "A new beginning a new Me!" type...so I thought it was the same game lol.

So everything with "healing" has nothing to do with this game, but with "Coming Home is Never Easy".
I feel kinda ashamed to made such a stupid mistake, but I also feel relieved that the game I had my hopes up is still in development and probably will deliver it.
In the end I played myself by playing a NTR Game, thinking it was a different one which shouldnt have it so but when I found them in there I got confused and vented.

But in all, expect that, everything about the whole Plot and Drugs stuff with Abi or other LI and NTR should be accurate.

 

[DoofusMan]

Fuck, I made a stupid and huge mistake.
Ok listen, but dont get mad.

Your comment got me curious so I thought perhaps the comments got deleted. You know, once the NTR/No-NTR flame war happen mods tend to remove some of them.
So I checked...and found something interesting...its a different game

The game I was talking about was "Coming Home is Never Easy"

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I looked at the Guy from "Bad Decisions" and automacitly thought its the same Main Character...so I thought it was done by the same guy. Looking carefully I see they are different.
I mean I was already baffled that the game "Coming Home is Never Easy" which is still somewhere is in the 50% rework stage for the newest reworked 2.0 version. And I also found it strange that the Dev. changed his avatar...but I thought it was like "A new beginning a new Me!" type...so I thought it was the same game lol.

So everything with "healing" has nothing to do with this game, but with "Coming Home is Never Easy".
I feel kinda ashamed to made such a stupid mistake, but I also feel relieved that the game I had my hopes up is still in development and probably will deliver it.
In the end I played myself by playing a NTR Game, thinking it was a different one which shouldnt have it so but when I found them in there I got confused and vented.

But in all, expect that, everything about the whole Plot and Drugs stuff with Abi or other LI and NTR should be accurate.

I was reading all the replies and damn, that ended with quite the plot twist I must say.
Listen, mistakes happen no worries, but gotta admit this one is ironic as fuck hahaha!
But again, it happens.

And you know what, the funny thing is I was wondering if you confused yourself with another game or if Traitos actually would have done that and never mentioned it to me with all the exchanges we had hahaha! Welp, that explains it.

But I get why you mixed up the two male characters, they have enough similarities that I see how that could happen.
But man the stories are SO different, I was so baffled! I mean at that point it wouldn't have been a rework and basically a new game altogether haha. Would've been intense lol.

But hey you came clean and admitted your mistake and etc. I really appreciate your honesty and removes a lot of the confusion I had with things you were saying. No harm done, you stayed polite and didn't start calling me names or wtv.

As for the rest I get what you mean, and with the context of a dev saying he would do something and then you're under the impression that the dev does the opposite totally I would understand why you would've felt the need to vent and point it out. With that context it seems more fair. I still would have used more tact than you did but I get where you were coming from.

I see also how some stuff could be considered NTR for some as I did earlier and before. My claim was only that the game is not about NTR but rather a bunch of other things and for some people it does have a few NTR moments.

Well, that was quite the conversation haha. Not a bad one either. I hope you'll have a nice evening/day/night!

 

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Bad Decisions [v0.2.5] [Traitos]

Original PC : 1.36 GB
Original Mac : 1.30 GB

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Compressed Mac (102 MB) : Mega

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Ddraigon this link is dead.

 

[voronkov]

Немного о том как в студии делать анимацию. Персонажи с разницей в росте на самом деле в некоторых позах подходят. Но если нет можно отредактировать.

A little about how to make animation in the studio. Characters with height differences actually do fit in some positions. But if not, you can edit.
1) С помощью VNGE. With VNGE.

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2) Комбинирование поз с дополнением. Combination of poses with addition.

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3) покадровая анимация. frame-by-frame animation.

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Можно для ознакомление посмотреть это.

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Базовые навыки в студии.
Так же можешь посмотреть мою игру на этом сайте, под названием Detektiv, там анимация у меня в основном между кадрами , но всё сделано в VNGE.


You can watch it for review.

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Basic skills in the studio.
You can also watch my game on this site, called Detektiv, where my animation is mainly between frames, but everything is done in VNGE.

 

[Traitos]

Немного о том как в студии делать анимацию. Персонажи с разницей в росте на самом деле в некоторых позах подходят. Но если нет можно отредактировать.

A little about how to make animation in the studio. Characters with height differences actually do fit in some positions. But if not, you can edit.
1) С помощью VNGE. With VNGE.

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2) Комбинирование поз с дополнением. Combination of poses with addition.

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3) покадровая анимация. frame-by-frame animation.

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Можно для ознакомление посмотреть это.

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Базовые навыки в студии.
Так же можешь посмотреть мою игру на этом сайте, под названием Detektiv, там анимация у меня в основном между кадрами , но всё сделано в VNGE.


You can watch it for review.

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Basic skills in the studio.
You can also watch my game on this site, called Detektiv, where my animation is mainly between frames, but everything is done in VNGE.

I will definitely look them up later! Thanks so much for the help. I'm going to study them and put them into practice.

 

[Traitos]

Thank you so much!
dildorog

For the new banner. Credit where it's due. Truly amazing, a day full of awesome news and productive comments. Blessings to everyone and I do mean EVERYONE.

 

[RSB]

Bad Decisions [v0.2.5] [Traitos]

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plz renew link.

 

[Ddraigon]

Ddraigon this link is dead.

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plz renew link.

Updated with new links

 

[estrada777]

Updated Android port. Nothing too fancy but let me know if you have any issues.

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[Gleemer]

Here is the Italian translation

of Bad Decisions [v0.2.5]

This translation is "unofficial, it was created by a fan.

Parch ITA

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Ecco la traduzione italiana

di un fan Bad Decisions [v0.2.5]

Questa traduzione "non è ufficiale" è stata generata da un fan.

Parch ITA

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Here is the Italian translation

of Bad Decisions [v0.2]

This translation is "unofficial, it was created by a fan.

Parch ITA

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Ecco la traduzione italiana

di un fan Bad Decisions [v0.2]

Questa traduzione "non è ufficiale" è stata generata da un fan.

Parch ITA

Italian translation

Updated: 2021-11-17
Version: 0.2.5
Parch ITA

 

[Traitos]

I been thinking a lot lately and I believe I'm taking the best choice here. I'm going to halt progress on the main story for now.
And this is what I'm going to do.

I'm heading all the way back from the very beginning and start branching out content. The reason being to respect people's kinks and what they prefer. It's not about bending the knee to the people that directly just don't like, including models or the writing, I can't help you there, but more of showing care and interest in people's opinion, whatever they may be.

I am also interested in showing that I'm not focusing purely on the NTR, that I'm following a story that I'm building slowly in my head and that it could have multiple ways to go. I wouldn't say this is like my magnum opus, not even 0.1%, I could deliver so much more (Not with the actual structure of methods I'm using, that being HS models and inexistent skill of 3D modelling and rendering). And so I want to give people the option to avoid certain content in a very clear way. And creating different scenarios that take this story into a whole new set of occurrences placing you in control of what you want to avoid or what do you want to see as well. It seems ambitious, but I'll gladly do it because branching out and showing different scenarios makes my dick hard too. That way I ain't torturing myself with crazy ideas that might ruin the flow of what I already started here. One example being, beginning another novel with options and a different story. I could always do that, there are no hidden rules to it, many do it, I don't like. It's not bad to burn everything to the ground and start from scratch, in life that's amazing to do because you can rid of whatever hurts you or makes you feel like crap and keep what's important and makes you feel good with yourself. Here though, in my humble opinion, makes people lose faith in you. If you are unable to finish one project or, as some people say, redeem yourself, then you're not worth their time.

You can criticize everything I do and that is fair, but me fighting trough it and show you that I'm not only listening but also delivering (despite not having a regular upload schedule or the chance to work faster in this because of Life) then, perhaps, maybe, possibly, I can win your vote.

If you come here and insult me (which hasn't happened yet, I'm talking about someone coming here and just wish for me to have a car accident, which by internet standards that's pretty... normal, I would say this community is pretty awesome in that regard only by the fact that it could be so much worse but it isn't and no, I'm not asking for it), if you do that, I won't insult you back. I'll read, find the words that are important and think in ways to improve in a specific area that you may have mention or simply understand that you don't like it and move on, because you can do that: not liking anything I do. Ever.

Just to add though, maybe some are interested, what would be something I would love to work with?

My favorite setting for a story may be hand drawn. Maybe in a future I could find an artist with a good style and quality, to work with that person to build another world. A novel full of fantasy, dungeons, dragons and building an army of waifus for you and only you to control; focusing on a more text based adventure with awesome imagery and decision making that builds the world around you.
Here where I live the minimum wage is very, very, very low, therefore it wouldn't be hard to actually hire someone to work with me for a low wage since it would be like twice or trice the minimum of what they could be making working their ass off. Plus they would be doing something they might love to do as well. But I'm thinking way ahead of myself.

First things first, to set my foot firmly on this site, get this community to understand that I actually give a shit, and work.

That would be all for now. Thanks for reading if you did and I'll get going because I might be running late for work for writing this. Also, the trip to Los Angeles was a torture, but at least I was approved for the document I went for. Kudos!

 

[Traitos]

Italian translation

Updated: 2021-11-17
Version: 0.2.5
Parch ITA

Thanks for this and everyone who does this kind of things. In a better future be sure that I will remember you and invite you all a coffee or two. I appreciate it.

 

[Gleemer]

Thanks for this and everyone who does this kind of things. In a better future be sure that I will remember you and invite you all a coffee or two. I appreciate it.

I will be happy to participate