Stil996

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I've seen some successful foursomes pulled off quite nicely in various adult visual novels. No pegging was necessary. It will require some lesbian action though. :sneaky:
absolutely (I'm into the group scene), though that's not what happens in an Oreo situation, when the "cream" is a man, something IS going up his ass. :oops: (no different from when the cream is a woman)
 
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I've seen some successful foursomes pulled off quite nicely in various adult visual novels. No pegging was necessary. It will require some lesbian action though. :sneaky:
just keep in mind that I don't think he ever mentioned a foursome, only a potential relationship w/ her not-mom. gena & kori I have a feeling are gonna give a 3some at some point. but it's really hard to pull off incest stuff in a believable way without something crazy like... drugs involved or something. even though it's really really hawt :love:
 

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just keep in mind that I don't think he ever mentioned a foursome, only a potential relationship w/ her not-mom. gena & kori I have a feeling are gonna give a 3some at some point. but it's really hard to pull off incest stuff in a believable way without something crazy like... drugs involved or something. even though it's really really hawt :love:
mother/daughter 3somes don't need to be incest (I imagine most aren't), most I've seen have been of the tag team variety (or competing), with the focus being exclusively on the sole cock... One of my favourites involve the GF's mom getting hyper controlling, insisting on showing her the "right" way to do it.

PS since Gina is a health nut it wouldn't be a stretch for her being that way as an act of rebellion against her moms drink/drugs lifestyle
 

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mother/daughter 3somes don't need to be incest (I imagine most aren't), most I've seen have been of the tag team variety (or competing), with the focus being exclusively on the sole cock... One of my favourites involve the GF's mom getting hyper controlling, insisting on showing her the "right" way to do it.

PS since Gina is a health nut it wouldn't be a stretch for her being that way as an act of rebellion against her moms drink/drugs lifestyle
Yeah, that's a trope in porn, but it doesn't make for very compelling scenes, from a character writing perspective, imo.

And a mother/daughter sucking a cock at the same time is incest lol. Ask anyone who doesn't play too many VNs or watch too many 'step-family' scenes and they'll tell u straight up "shit's weird af". So, when u filter that through the characters, I guess I'm the kind of VN consumer that wants a somewhat believable interaction.

If the characters are just freaky, then ok, that can be believable, but why are they freaky? Maybe they have personality issues like dark triad, borderline, histrionic, etc. (each giving different potential motivations) or maybe a history of sexual victimization or drug addiction, stuff like that.

It doesn't have to be spelled out to the player in the form of boring exposition dumps or characters directly stating "I have x problem", as most people lack that self-awareness or if they are, they keep it to themselves. Instead, can communicate through subtle exchanges that form a kind of character tapesty by the end where the player goes "aha, that makes perfect sense for that character" rather than porn logic writing "well, it's fucking hawt and makes me horny, so w/e.. the mother & daughter wanna compete for my perfect cock!"

So, I guess that's the perspective I'm looking at it through. I like BoB's execution, so I'm sure if it happens, it'll be done in a satisfying way regardless :)
 

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Yeah, that's a trope in porn, but it doesn't make for very compelling scenes, from a character writing perspective, imo.
To that I'd say "then you aren't trying very hard" :p (or have something against the group scene)

And a mother/daughter sucking a cock at the same time is incest lol. Ask anyone who doesn't play too many VNs or watch too many 'step-family' scenes and they'll tell u straight up "shit's weird af". So, when u filter that through the characters, I guess I'm the kind of VN consumer that wants a somewhat believable interaction.

If the characters are just freaky, then ok, that can be believable, but why are they freaky? Maybe they have personality issues like dark triad, borderline, histrionic, etc. (each giving different potential motivations) or maybe a history of sexual victimization or drug addiction, stuff like that.
Be careful with that "anyone" buddy (your statement might be true for many from the vanilla scene but definitely not everyone (and "anyone") when you consider the full spectrum of kink culture and definitely not when you venture into the group scene), a Mother/Daughter threesome is no more incest than a Father/son threesome is (Have you never spit-roasted a girl with Pops?) so stop being sexist :p.

BTW I don't agree that incest is as black & white as you seem too. I've been lucky enough to have had a threesome with a couple of sisters (sisters to each other, not me) and none of what they did with each other during that time counts as incest in my book or theirs (and they weren't shy about touching each other to tease me).​
(I'm not open to debating this BTW, you have your opinion, I have mine)​

I've come close to the mother/daughter fantasy in real life with a mother (40ish) & daughter (mid 20s) having some kind of girls night at my bar I think the Mom was getting over some kind of divorce/breakup and her daughter was trying to cheer her up (I was the Barman), I gave her the nice chat, "He's an idiot!", "You're beautiful!", "Any man would be lucky to have you!" etc... both of them flirting heavily with me .
The daughter was giving me all the signals that she was open to visiting the bathroom with me and I'm fairly sure that the mom would have tagged along whether she was invited or not (unfortunately in this case the mom wasn't particularly appealing to me or I might have seen where it went).
It's entirely possible they were playing and if I had made a move they would just have laughed it off (just girls playing the flirting game, more about affirmation than anything else), but like I said that wasn't the vibe I got, I'm also fairly sure I would have been welcomed back to their hotel suit by either (whether they would have been open to some 3some play in that setting is very uncertain, but alcohol + breakup + libido in a strange town with some fresh meat can lead to strange places)

FYI the best sex is a bit "Freaky", it's scary... out your comfort zone, the paranoid voice in your head is screaming "this isn't safe"..."it's a practical joke"... "it's be a trap, a setup to rob me"... "they could be crazy, I'll wake up with my balls nailed to the wall"... o_O
What are porn games for if they aren't used to explore those freaky places, the best erotic writing delves into these dark/exotic moments that most people don't encounter in reality (and if they did, they would likely be too scared to explore).

PS, screw exposition :p (not everything needs to be explained)... if you can't have the occasional wild stereotypes in a porn game where can you have them... IMO they work best when integrated with other more stable/grounded characters, Gina is a perfect example, I can totally imagine her mom being a Wild, Hippy, Free Loving, Maneating, Cougar who would either insert herself into Gina's love life (to educate her) or try to steal her lovers.
 
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Obviously, some people are just wired differently, so it's perfectly possible for otherwise normal & healthy people being attracted to a close relative....
My point was that it's not really incest because they aren't attracted to each other, they simply didn't have certain hangups, it's like many "lesbian" scenes in porn aren't actually lesbian, they are doing it to tease the man in the scene not each other. In my example with the sisters they didn't have any sexual feeling for each other (that I know of) they simply discovered fairly early on as young adults that they could wrap most men around their fingers if they interacted with each other in a mildly sexual way, they got so many free drinks without having to pretend they liked the men buying them.
On a technical level the contact they had with each other wasn't much more "sexual" than a massage, it was simply delivered with a little extra flair. It was a huge joke to them how weak it made men, that something a simple as witnessing them handling each others boobs could make them so controllable.
 

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Seriously? A porn game where you have to remember details of a commercial investment property? How on earth does this add to the game? So stupid.

And it gets worse, you have to magically remember commercial details of multiple deals and have them all to hand at random moments to answer quizes on them? Thats big 1 star from me. I get the game dev has some kind of hard on for commercial real estate, but bloody hell that some waste to force that nonsense into a game. The whole point of a game is for it be fun, not like you're back in college doing homework. Lame.
 
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Seriously? A porn game where you have to remember details of a commercial investment property? How on earth does this add to the game? So stupid.

And it gets worse, you have to magically remember commercial details of multiple deals and have them all to hand at random moments to answer quizes on them? Thats big 1 star from me. I get the game dev has some kind of hard on for commercial real estate, but bloody hell that some waste to force that nonsense into a game. The whole point of a game is for it be fun, not like you're back in college doing homework. Lame.
Yeah, it's not the best idea. But you don't actually have to memorize anything. Pay attention to your career gauge. It should improve each time you select the right answer. If it doesn't, rollback a step and try the next one.
 

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Seriously? A porn game where you have to remember details of a commercial investment property? How on earth does this add to the game? So stupid.

And it gets worse, you have to magically remember commercial details of multiple deals and have them all to hand at random moments to answer quizes on them? Thats big 1 star from me. I get the game dev has some kind of hard on for commercial real estate, but bloody hell that some waste to force that nonsense into a game. The whole point of a game is for it be fun, not like you're back in college doing homework. Lame.
I'd imagine it's supposed to be about immersion as opposed to "some kind of hard on for commercial real estate", and I'd also imagine eventually there will be some kind of story arc that happens when you are bad at your job, maybe some kind of submissive arc were you have to do things to convince your bosses not to fire you... shameful, degrading things.

Like Gibberish666 says it's pretty easy to cheat if reading/remembering is hard for you, it's a tough line for a Dev to balance, I for one am happy for the Dev to make it a little harder than it needs to be rather than risk slipping down a dull VN route.
This game is near the top of my watch list because it has managed to present itself as more than a porn slide show, and I hope it continues to aim that little bit higher with its immersion ideals.
 

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Yeah .. about that ...
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This is how MC starts out ... nothing to do about it. Facts narrated into the game.
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I'd imagine it's supposed to be about immersion as opposed to "some kind of hard on for commercial real estate", and I'd also imagine eventually there will be some kind of story arc that happens when you are bad at your job, maybe some kind of submissive arc were you have to do things to convince your bosses not to fire you... shameful, degrading things.
That is what MC gets in the very beginning ...
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Hard working individual .. no?
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Cannot make up his mind .. did he actually listen or not?
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This is the very beginning ...
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Yeah .. about that ...
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That is what MC gets in the very beginning ...
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Hard working individual .. no?
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Whats your point? :p there is a difference between having the shit dropped on you when it's justified and unjustified.
you still have an element of support from the others when you earn your place (they can't fire everyone). Let see how much they support you when it's clear you are nothing but dead weight.
Even with porn logic there has to be some kind of base logic.
 

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Whats your point?
MC is in a no win situation in this game. The very first scene welcomes MC right into the deep - when you play more, MC is doing everything this game affords the player to do, yet it fails just the same - not to mention lack of a paycheck right in the day it was suppsoed to drop and game over ... for shits and giggles, I guess.
Story wise, MC is always the underdog ... burning charm points to get anywhere while the ”devil incarnate” as he calls JAck gets the promotion and MC or anyone else for that matter is not considered for the position, they start looking for another hire, even tho JAck lost the deal and it is canonical that the firm is not making money - the talks from the boss are very telling - yet someone else is getting promoted, boss goes on vacation while MC is relegated lower down the line, now MC answers to more people he has to ghost write deals for, while they get promotion and vacation in a firm that is not getting ahead at all.
you still have an element of support
There is no element of support. They keep their job and prosper while MC keeps his job.
That is it. MC never gets ahead. This game is a dead end job for MC in corpo business on top of spending big to even have relationships, let alone live a normal life. How would MC keep a steady income and a job if the whole point is him making it in the dating scene, while roadblocked all over the place?

This game is a miracel and it can only still be a miracle is MC is constantly on the receiving end of bad or worse situations where bare minimum and base human emotions and needs get met ... There does not seem to be any progression at the job or in the relationships, rather roadblock after roadblock for shits and giggles.
 
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MC is in a no win situation in this game. The very first scene welcomes MC right into the deep - when you play more, MC is doing everything this game affords the player to do, yet it fails just the same - not to mention lack of a paycheck right in the day it was suppsoed to drop and game over ... for shits and giggles, I guess.
Story wise, MC is always the underdog ... burning charm points to get anywhere while the ”devil incarnate” as he calls JAck gets the promotion and MC or anyone else for that matter is not considered for the position, they start looking for another hire, even tho JAck lost the deal and it is canonical that the firm is not making money - the talks from the boss are very telling - yet someone else is getting promoted, boss goes on vacation while MC is relegated lower down the line, now MC answers to more people he has to ghost write deals for, while they get promotion and vacation in a firm that is not getting ahead at all.

There is no element of support. They keep their job and prosper while MC keeps his job.
That is it. MC never gets ahead. This game is a dead end job for MC in corpo business on top of spending big to even have relationships, let alone live a normal life. How would MC keep a steady income and a job if the whole point is him making it in the dating scene, while roadblocked all over the place?

This game is a miracel and it can only still be a miracle is MC is constantly on the receiving end of bad or worse situations where bare minimum and base human emotions and needs get met ... There does not seem to be any progression at the job or in the relationships, rather roadblock after roadblock for shits and giggles.
Some hard assumptions there bud, "no win situation", "always the underdog", "never gets ahead", he's been there for what?... A week, way to early to cry about "always"

There is no element of support. They keep their job and prosper while MC keeps his job.
A Week dude!! what do you expect it to be like, --everyone falls to their knees, crying "the One has finally arrived!", "please let us fall on our swords for you!!!"--, you get support from Rob, Sofia, Reggie (emotional support counts), you have potential support from Natalie, Emma and Huma (never underestimate the power of Admin), and probably most important you seem to have the potential for gathering clients into your corner. Who knows though it's definitely possible that all of this potential will be ignored and it will turn out to be yet another slideshow VN like you seem to think... I'm not banking on that though.
 

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This game is near the top of my watch list because it has managed to present itself as more than a porn slide show
Here, here! All creative works need some kind of internal logic at play that is followed. People are born to like rules. If the rules are too stupid or, even worse, aren't followed, what's the point?

People also love choice & reactivity, which this game has in spades I'd say. Yeah, there's always going to be room for improvement or limitations on the author, queue complaints like "why couldn't I do x in y situation?", "why didn't I have a choice to refuse x!? I hate x!" blah blah, but the point is there are so many hollow works on this website that don't follow those aforementioned things very well. And I say that with respect to the authors who put their time and effort into it, much love. Unfortunately, time and effort isn't always enough for something to be great in the world we live in, woe :confused: But this game certainly stands out! Look forward to all of Pablo's PornFather's updates! :D

Hope all is well Mr. Pablo PornFather if you're reading this :giggle:
 
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