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I was also under the belief there was more to come at some point, including a proper Emma ending (still on I believe) and extended Nicole ending (canned since then I believe).
If the dev has moved on indeed, it may be time to end this thread then.
proper emma should come at some point but no nic (that got axed).
 
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succuk

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If you are looking for some kind of natural behavior in AVNs you should stay away from the vast majority of titles
You are trying to find logic in a porn game. Keep in mind that there are far more ridiculous plots in other VNs and back when it released in 2018 it was quite an okish start compared to 90% of them.
Yes, of course, I am only demanding a little bit logic. Some games has it.
 
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Tremonia

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it was maybe the best game i've ever played.
I am extremely sorry to read this. Sure, the AVN isn't as bad as a lot of the others here. But unfortunately it is only upper mediocrity. Personally, I assume that Mr.Jet's next AVN will be better, since he has basically already made all the mistakes and will avoid them in the future.
 

Barretto24

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I am extremely sorry to read this. Sure, the AVN isn't as bad as a lot of the others here. But unfortunately it is only upper mediocrity. Personally, I assume that Mr.Jet's next AVN will be better, since he has basically already made all the mistakes and will avoid them in the future.
Umm. BAR was brilliant what you on about?
 

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I am extremely sorry to read this. Sure, the AVN isn't as bad as a lot of the others here. But unfortunately it is only upper mediocrity. Personally, I assume that Mr.Jet's next AVN will be better, since he has basically already made all the mistakes and will avoid them in the future.
I agree with this. Nothing in this game is really top tier, but nothing is offensively bad either. I think the reason it stands out is because it was ahead of the curve when it was in early Development, but definitely isn't anymore. Also, compared to the vast amount of garbage AVNs out there, it is quite good. In every area that matters, Writing, Story, Dialogue, Characters, lewd scenes, animations, audio, endings, it is all pretty mid.
 

Aristos

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I agree with Tremonia and Bloodguard.

This VN doesn't excel at anything, and in some respects like music and story it's downright lacklustre. The music is particularly bland and mediocre bearing in mind the game's title.
Secondly, the visual aspect of it improved in the second half of the game, but I invite you to replay the earlier chapters, especially the sex scenes; those still look awful. So it's like 40% of a game looking meh, and 60% looking really good.
And finally, this is a personal opinion, but I feel that the dev pulled the players' legs with how he treated Julia. If you aren't considering including incest you aren't forced to make the MC's sister look hideous, but you definitely shouldn't use her to tease the players with suggestive scenes, like you're rubbing it in their faces.

Did I enjoy the game? Yes, no question about that.
Do I find most of the girls gorgeous? Of course, especially Selina, Jane and Emma (Julia too, but she doesn't count).
Would I buy it on Steam, for example? Definitely not; I didn't like it that much.

In retrospect 3.5/5 stars from me.
 

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And finally, this is a personal opinion, but I feel that the dev pulled the players' legs with how he treated Julia. If you aren't considering including incest you aren't forced to make the MC's sister look hideous, but you definitely shouldn't use her to tease the players with suggestive scenes, like you're rubbing it in their faces.
Being a personal opinion it of course can't be wrong, though I disagree completely. I'm perfectly happy for non-available characters to have their own agency & behave provocatively as much as they like. Not all eye-candy needs to be banged imo.
 

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Being a personal opinion it of course can't be wrong, though I disagree completely. I'm perfectly happy for non-available characters to have their own agency & behave provocatively as much as they like. Not all eye-candy needs to be banged imo.
Definitely agree to disagree on this. If there are hot family members in a porn game, MC should be able to bang them. ;)
 

Aristos

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Being a personal opinion it of course can't be wrong, though I disagree completely. I'm perfectly happy for non-available characters to have their own agency & behave provocatively as much as they like. Not all eye-candy needs to be banged imo.
MrJet had the right to create as hot a sister as he wanted, but I totally disagree with what you said about the provocative behaviour: if you have no intention of creating sexual content with that particular NPC, don't give her a provocative behaviour or put her in suggestive situations around the MC because this is a porn game and she is the MC's sister. Sisters don't act provocatively around their brothers in real life; it only happens in porn, and only for one reason.

The sister could have had a boyfriend (or not) and still could have helped the MC in every way that she did; she could have played a paramount role in the story's development without the nude scenes or the MC eyeing her up and down.

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including every fuckable girl in the game (except Catherine and Emma) plus Julia.

OK, not a big deal; it's just a pool pic and she's barely visible.
Well, in these special renders we can see her much more clearly:

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There are a couple others, but these will be enough.

Maybe MrJet didn't do it on purpose. Maybe it never crossed his mind in the first place that people would be interested in the sister, and when they said how hot she was and asked for incest he didn't want to include it, but thought that some naked renders would suffice to appease them. Either way, from my pov it was a complete mistake, and as I said I had the impression that he was mocking the players.

PS: After a second look, I'm not sure if the pic with the sunscreen is original or fan-art. Anyway, I'll leave it there for everyone's enjoyment. :Kappa:
 
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MrJet had the right to create as hot a sister as he wanted, but I totally disagree with what you said about the provocative behaviour: if you have no intention of creating sexual content with that particular NPC, don't give her a provocative behaviour or put her in suggestive situations around the MC because this is a porn game and she is the MC's sister. Sisters don't act provocatively around their brothers in real life; it only happens in porn, and only for one reason.

The sister could have had a boyfriend (or not) and still could have helped the MC in every way that she did; she could have played a paramount role in the story's development without the nude scenes or the MC eyeing her up and down.

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including every fuckable girl in the game (except Catherine and Emma) plus Julia.

OK, not a big deal; it's just a pool pic and she's barely visible.
Well, in these special renders we can see her much more clearly:

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There are a couple others, but these will be enough.

Maybe MrJet didn't do it on purpose. Maybe it never crossed his mind in the first place that people would be interested in the sister, and when they said how hot she was and asked for incest he didn't want to include it, but thought that some naked renders would suffice to appease them. Either way, from my pov it was a complete mistake, and as I said I had the impression that he was mocking the players.

PS: After a second look, I'm not sure if the pic with the sunscreen is original or fan-art. Anyway, I'll leave it there for everyone's enjoyment. :Kappa:
I agree with you brother

while I was never interested in the sister

if she is not going to be a love interested don't put her in sexual situations

or in sexy art

because it's hard for the players that fell in love with the sister

you tell those players to accept the fact that the sister is not a love interest

but then you do things like this in the game it's like mocking the player or rubbing salt in the wound
 
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My friend, I completely understand you because Im pretty similar, but loose all faith, it's not going to happen. Several reasons:

1) Rendering is extremely slow. Consider that you have 2 RTX 4090, the last model, and you have 2 of those. An open public space with several characters, takes like 30 minutes to render. Then you see something is wrong, and you have to correct and rerender. Everything is FUCKING slow.

What happens is that the storyline and storyboard you would write gets completely fucked up. You have to cut scenarios and scenes drastically, so that hits really bad the story development.

2) This games are mostly played by very young people who want to masturbate. The attention span is very low, the urges for sex are incredibly high. Think that most people will watch the novel with "skip text ON", full Ctrl, until the sex scene with their dicks already on hand. That forces devs to include several sex scenes per update, even if they fit the narrative or not, and that makes the story be rushed and stupid.

3) You dont have time to build empathy for the characters, they have to overact like whores and sluts. As you see more and more characters who are only sex dolls, you start to develop some sort of sociopathy, you stop caring about them, they are sex dolls, not "humans".

4) There is a hoeflation. Update 1: masturbation. Update 2: hj/bj. Update 3: Vaginal sex. Update 4: Anal sex. Now what? More characters, bigger cocks, more cocks, more aggresive, more submisive, more humilliation. The inflation is one directional. Add that you don't care anymore about the human side of characters, they are just sex dolls, and that brings most novels to insane levels of stupidity, making everything unreal and unnatural.

5) As this progression happens slowly as you watch more and more of this "novels", the brain starts to internalize, uses relativization, amplification, lucifer effect, etc... and then you are just craving for more and more unreal stories, and when someone claims some realism or claims that nothing like that happens at all IRL or very very very extremely rare in very small niches, you just look like the weird guy stopping the party, will be labeled as hater, so the author wont follow your advise.


At the end of the day, this porn adult game "industry" has become its own internet black hole of weirdness, where things are far gone in deviation, and I dont see any inmediate light to bring it out of the current state. It is just quick fap for teenagers as brutal and abusive as posible, nothing else. Acept it or quit.

I personaly considered writting a more realistic slow paced novel, with a real "good side" worth the effor and a "corruption part" not so rewarded (not punished also), as a differentiation of every novel doing the same. I quit the idea, technical reasons, and I don't see a business for that at all. The overall mental state of this place shows me the consumers are far gone from that novel angle and I'm not going to contribute to more mental damage with the current type of novels written.
I strongly disagree with everything in this comment

adult visual novels can be more than just quick fap material

yes there are a lot of visual novels on this site that are Mindless

fuck Fest but not all of them

I have played many adult visual novels with stories that was so beautiful and heartwarming it made me cry

in my opinion the best visual novel

are just really good stories that just happened to have sex in them

games like
Summer's Gone

Leap of Faith

One Lie

The Entrepreneur

Strangers on Paper



and for the record that I'm 34
 
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