Flash Completed Behind the Dune [v2.36.2] [David Balsamique]

[fertywerps]

Pretty sure most people have a natural physical repulsion to poop whereas dick in pussy generally feels good regardless of anything else.

 

[Kratas1337]

Did you all not read General rules 1.1? Kink shaming is forbidden. Who gives a shit what any of us are into. It's all fictional anyways so let people get off on their fantasies in peace. I was tempted to chime in with my absolutely uneducated opinion but in all honesty it's best to let it go.

 

[ZoneIT]

This is my last reply to you because i can see you are on a spectrum disorder.

The claim was made, that Balsamaique is dastardly for depicting loli and scat (in its mildest form I must add) and not enough incest

It is not because he did not put enough incest in his game, it's because he put loli and scat in his game. Fetishes are not rated equal, if you don't like incest just don't read the text and you can enjoy the art or movie without knowing what's going on.
While in the other hand, if i draw my characters eating shit or taking a dump or looking like an 8-year-old naked it will be hard to sell that to a mainstream audience.

Charges were brought against scat for a) being a more of a taboo than incest and b) being more damaging to health. I contest both these claims. All that anybody has done in here so far, is state their personal taste (shit yucky, incest yummy) or point out the obvious negatives of scat, while ignoring those of incest.
Loli somehow fell by the wayside in the discussion. But that's fine. Let's focus on one thing at a time.

Because it is damaging to health, You see Scat fetish is not just looking at shit..you like playing whit it, eating it, sticking your dick in it, drinking pee, and getting pee on. These things are damaging to health.
But if you really think about it even sex is damaging to health..you could get an STD, get a heart attack from too much effort.
Anyway, you don't really need this argument to point out that scat is bad "Because it is damaging to health"...It's just fucking disgusting to begin whit.I could argue whit you more...but I can't change your mind if scat is your fetish...As long as it makes your dick hard you will defend it forever. But like i said "Fetishes are not rated equal"

Jerking of to Lolis is just closet pedophilia...People are under the impression that pedophiles like numbers under 15-16...
But the reality they like the innocent young look of the person and the fact they can control this innocent person to corruption because they have not no experience in the real world.
So yea...keep thinking that you are not a wannabe pedophile because you jerk off to a 10000-year-old vampire loli that is looking like a 7-year-old in body and face.

First of all, half-sister.

The bible's argument about incest is another thing that is pointless...why mix religion in a fetish argument. All of us know back then you could fuck a goat and people will salute you the next day whit no ill will. I guess they will call you Dave the goat fucker.

"Sniffing shit is less problematic than other activities with shit. Nobody in their right mind would ever think, that knocking up your sister and having a deformed baby with her is comparable to smelling a turd and wanking over it, or that both are just as bad."

Your argument that incest is bad is because "knocking up your sister and having a deformed baby" is bad.
Yes,it is bad for the baby to be deformed....But I see that you put "Incest is also associated with disease" What you wanted to say is that the baby can suffer from a disability "mental retardation or a genetic disorder".The act of incest can only be associated whit disease if one of the partners is suffering from an STD.
Again that argument is bad because it's only valid if you want to make a child...which if you want to be more science base argument is only bad 25% of the time
Father/daughter or mother/son → 25% (1⁄4),Brother/sister → 25% (1⁄4),Grandfather/granddaughter or grandmother/grandson → 12.5% (1⁄8),Half-brother/half-sister, Double cousins → 12.5% (1⁄8),Uncle/niece or aunt/nephew → 12.5% (1⁄8),Great-grandfather/great-granddaughter or great-grandmother/great-grandson → 6.25% (1⁄16)
,Half-uncle/niece or half-aunt/nephew → 6.25% (1⁄16),First cousins → 6.25% (1⁄16)

And again you could have a vasectomy and then your argument is invalid...But you are right about the "it is bad" part...I for one will never say that incest is good or encourage someone to have it for real. It's bad from a social, family point.

But comparing fantasy incest whit loli and Scat and saying that they are at the same level is just stupid...
"If i find a girlfriend whit a fantasy incest fetish and she wants to call me daddy i will be ok whit that even if i don't have the same fetish as her.....But if I find a girlfriend that wants me to shit on her or piss or watch me take a dump, I'm getting the fuck out of there.

True, but most people have a natural aversion to incest, too. It's called the Westermarck effect. I'm not surprised if the people in this incest echo chamber don't have it.

You're kinda an asshole if you assume that all the fantasy incest lovers really have an attraction to their relatives.
When i was in high school i really loved to watch porn whit plot"Pizza man,Repair guy,doctor"...I am neither a doctor nor a repairman or a pizza delivery guy because of it. But i did enjoy 2 good-looking people fucking.

Anyway, hope my reply satisfies your spectrum. We are already spamming the tread for a developer that doesn't deserve the dirt under my shoe. You can go and tell/spam him that on Patreon

 

[derpyturdmeister]

Hey man Reinhold, I think you should talk to him(David). Y'know maybe you shit out your feces in a cup, scramble it and feed each other. Idk man I guess it does sound kind of romantic. Maybe add a baguette at the mix, make it more French. Then of course a French kiss to seal the deal. I can see this happening. Little chunks of shit falling from David's mouth as he says "Thank you for defending me on F95zone. I really needed that." and you give him a warm shit-eating grin. Of course a trip to India for the honeymoon. Just imagine all the feces when you arrive at your designated shitting street view hotel. Man this is so hot I think I finally understand the scat fetish. Thank you for saving me from mommy issues reinhold and I truly hope he sees this, King.

 

[reynold.biplane]

This is my last reply to you because i can see you are on a spectrum disorder.

Have it your way, dude. I'm happy to get the last word in. But I'm also not gonna call you out, if you change your mind.

if you don't like incest just don't read the text and you can enjoy the art or movie without knowing what's going on.

Fair enough. I don't think everyone is capable of overlooking incest in this way, but I know that some can, so I will grant you that.

Because it is damaging to health, You see Scat fetish is not just looking at shit..you like playing whit it, eating it, sticking your dick in it, drinking pee, and getting pee on. These things are damaging to health.
But if you really think about it even sex is damaging to health..you could get an STD, get a heart attack from too much effort.
Anyway, you don't really need this argument to point out that scat is bad "Because it is damaging to health"...It's just fucking disgusting to begin whit.I could argue whit you more...but I can't change your mind if scat is your fetish...As long as it makes your dick hard you will defend it forever. But like i said "Fetishes are not rated equal"

Scat can be about all kinds of activities, I'm sure (not speaking from experience). Just like not every incest fan is into every type of relative.
And now you bring pee into it, too? Which every doctor will tell you is completely sterile and safe to drink (as long as the person is healthy) and enjoyed by tens of millions at the very least.
And again, reducing the issue to disgust. You seem to be clueless, how disgusting incest is to most regular people. About half of them will have a guttural reaction to it, even if it is doesn't concern them and their own relatives.

Also, why do people always assume you have to like a thing in order to defend it? What happened to simply being principled? Is that a ridiculous thing nowadays?
I love incest porn and I don't care about scat. I just ignore it. Not everyone has the ability to do that and that's fine. It's the hypocrisy, that gets me. If some religious zealot or some other ignorant person rails against incest or whatever, that's annoying but to be expected. But when I see someone, who's into incest (my people!) rant against another fetish - that pains me.

The bible's argument about incest is another thing that is pointless...why mix religion in a fetish argument. All of us know back then you could fuck a goat and people will salute you the next day whit no ill will. I guess they will call you Dave the goat fucker.

It IS pointless, but I didn't bring it up. Someone else said, that incest is in the bible and I had to dismantle that argument.

And please don't make such unfounded statements about people from the past. They might cause me, a history nerd, to sperg out even more.

Your argument that incest is bad is because "knocking up your sister and having a deformed baby" is bad. etc.

That was a deliberately bad faith argument from me, that I used to mirror and thereby dismantle another bad argument. You didn't have to go through the trouble to argue against that, but good job.

But comparing fantasy incest whit loli and Scat and saying that they are at the same level is just stupid...
"If i find a girlfriend whit a fantasy incest fetish and she wants to call me daddy i will be ok whit that even if i don't have the same fetish as her.....But if I find a girlfriend that wants me to shit on her or piss or watch me take a dump, I'm getting the fuck out of there.

That comparison doesn't work. Roleplaying is by necessity always fantasy, even when it happens in meatspace. A more apt comparison would be, if your girlfriend asked you to bonk your sister and letting her watch. Believe it or not, scat roleplay also exists.

The point is: All fantasy is equally harmless, as long as it stays a fantasy. Preferring one fetish in your porn over another is just a matter of aesthetics. It all ultimately only matters to you, whether you like it or not. Railing against scat or loli in a porn game accomplishes nothing (unless you are a paying customer).

You're kinda an asshole if you assume that all the fantasy incest lovers really have an attraction to their relatives.

I don't and I don't have to assume anything. I love incest porn and I'm not attracted to my relatives.

When i was in high school i really loved to watch porn whit plot"Pizza man,Repair guy,doctor"...I am neither a doctor nor a repairman or a pizza delivery guy because of it. But i did enjoy 2 good-looking people fucking.

I think you're being a bit disingenuous here. The pizza man isn't a fetish, just a scenario. Surely you don't watch incest porn only to see two people fucking. That's only part of it. You're enjoying the taboo aspect too, right? If people were interested in the visual aspect only, there wouldn't be any incest patches. People would just be getting off to landladies.

Anyway, hope my reply satisfies your spectrum.

I give it a C-
You were at least trying this time.
Good job, keep improving.

Hey man Reinhold, I think you should talk to him(David). Y'know maybe you shit out your feces in a cup, scramble it and feed each other. Idk man I guess it does sound kind of romantic. Maybe add a baguette at the mix, make it more French. Then of course a French kiss to seal the deal. I can see this happening. Little chunks of shit falling from David's mouth as he says "Thank you for defending me on F95zone. I really needed that." and you give him a warm shit-eating grin. Of course a trip to India for the honeymoon. Just imagine all the feces when you arrive at your designated shitting street view hotel. Man this is so hot I think I finally understand the scat fetish. Thank you for saving me from mommy issues reinhold and I truly hope he sees this, King.

That is some grade-A scat erotica right there. Congrats. You really have a mind for that sort of thing. Are you sure you didn't genuinely enjoy writing that?
derpyturdmeister
Huh.
Nah, it's just a coincidence, right?

 

[Impregnator_Erectux]

First of all, half-sister. And it was the daughter of his father, as opposed to the daughter of his mother. An important distinction at the time.
Second, that's the old testament. The rules have changed between that and the new testament. God no longer tolerates incest, he no longer demands animal sacrifices, etc.
You can call bullshit on these, but I didn't make those rules and I'm not an adherent of that religion. Just stating what they believe.

How do you think it was possible for humanity to procreate then if we originated from Adam and Eve? I did said god tolerated incest.

I didn't want to include that, because it's a useless distraction. But if you want to go there, sure.
You bring in a milder form of incest, in order to exonorate all of incest. And then you compare that to the most extreme form of scat. I can easily turn this around on you.
"Sniffing shit is less problematic than other activities with shit. Nobody in their right mind would ever think, that knocking up your sister and having a deformed baby with her is comparable to smelling a turd and wanking over it, or that both are just as bad."
This is using your logic.

Huh, since when farting fetish = scat? If there are no feces involved it isn't scat. There's literally no milder form of scat, you either like being shit on or you don't. Scat is considered a dark grotesque disgusting fetish, is right there besides zophilia and guro. Is a type of sadomasochism. Incest is nowhere near that. And incest involving pedophilia IRL is a completely different thing. This mostly happens because of the minor being easily accessible to the offender and is not about the act of incest in itself at all or the offender having an incest fetish.

True, but most people have a natural aversion to incest, too.

You'd probably be surprise by the amount of people that don't.

 

[reynold.biplane]

How do you think it was possible for humanity to procreate then if we originated from Adam and Eve? I did said god tolerated incest.

Easy. It simply didn't happen that way. It's a fairy-tale. But according to that religion, incest was tolerated by God in Genesis and now no longer. Like I said, he changed the rules. So you can't use biblical incest as a justification for incest today.

Huh, since when farting fetish = scat? If there are no feces involved it isn't scat. There's literally no milder form of scat, you either like being shit on or you don't. Scat is considered a dark grotesque disgusting fetish, is right there besides zophilia and guro. Is a type of sadomasochism. Incest is nowhere near that. And incest involving pedophilia IRL is a completely different thing. This mostly happens because of the minor being easily accessible to the offender and is not about the act of incest in itself at all or the offender having an incest fetish.

I didn't mention farting. I said sniffing shit. Believe it or not, there are many ways for people to enjoy scat. It can be enjoyed alone or with others. Some want to touch it, some want to eat it. Some like to watch a woman take a dump. Some want to lay beneath her, when she does that. Some want to shit on others. Some want to vandalize property with their shit. Some want to shit in a diaper. Etc. It doesn't have to be a form of sadomasochism. For some it is about power, for some about humiliation. Some like the aesthetic aspect. Some just like the nastiness.
It is a dark fetish to YOU. Incest is a dark fetish to many others. They associate it with coercion, child abuse and broken homes. Is that justified? Not in my opinion. But there is enough of that happening, that you can't just handwave that. And you can't just say, that some aspect of incest is a different thing, but then lump all of scat together.
I remind you, by the way, that at no point in BtD does any character ever interact with shit. It comes out for a brief moment, and then it's gone. What's dark about that?

You'd probably be surprise by the amount of people that don't.

I wouldn't be surprised. I know the stats on popular pornsites and I've read many studies (or rather reports on studies, which isn't the same) about the occurrence of incest in real life. 10% of people engaging in incest at least once in their lifetime is a number, that I've seen thrown around frequently. And I've seen higher. Doesn't mean all of those people didn't have an incest aversion. The numbers alone don't tell us much.

The majority of people are still against it. Go read people's opinions in non-porn forums. Observe the news, whenever there is a proposition somewhere to legalize incest and see the outrage. From my own observations (obviously anecdotal, but plentiful), about half of all people are strictly against incest being legal, a small minority are for it without reservation and the rest don't want it happening in their life, but don't want to infringe on other people's freedom, either. It might vary from culture to culture, but probably not too much in most places.

 

[forgotp]

I NEED more Jessica content

 

[Ninjaperv]

I NEED more Jessica content

Yeah, people have been saying that for 7 years so good luck.

Just like his Patreon this thread is literally going to shit as well

 

[Impregnator_Erectux]

Yeah, people have been saying that for 7 years so good luck.

Just like his Patreon this thread is literally going to shit as well

Are those animations in your sig from a game?

 

[Ninjaperv]

Are those animations in your sig from a game?

The character in my avatar/signature is Shoko Sugimoto from the Umemaro3D series, the gif is from the game/video "Dr. Sugimoto's Lecherous Treatment".

There are 2 other works with this character that you should check out if you want to see more.

 

[wjrjbnjd]

Yeah, people have been saying that for 7 years so good luck.

Just like his Patreon this thread is literally going to shit as well

ya his patreon disappeared, what happen???

 

[katysune]

ya his patreon disappeared, what happen???

he moved to subscribestar someone need to update the link

You must be registered to see the links

 

[TimeWalker]

guys, can we stop talking about incest? first, for most people who enjoy incest doesn't means they lust after their relative. instead most of them feel gross when heared somethong like that in real life. it's like NTR fan doesn't means they enjoy it when it happen to them.

He lost all of his subs from patreon and subscriber is not looking good either, any chance Balsa comes back to BTD?

nope, he never left BTD. it's just he working on it as side project when he had free time. the thing is, David was never a good devs. his game concept is bad, not want to say horrible. and i didn't judge him by that since he is artist. and as an artist, he success. he knew that himself so he were looking for other devs to help him. BTD success because first is his art. second it was base on OG parody game. other than that is Dune fanbase is very strong. beside that, there's no guarantee in his next game. he been trying to do a couples of other projects but none of them ever reach playable states. as someone want his other project to success, still i can't support games i didn't enjoy

 

[TimeWalker]

Honestly, a lack of consistency can kill interest. I may just be nitpicky, but a character's boob size changing every other scene would just bother me incessantly. Same with other shit AI-Gen tends to fuck up, like fingers or facial features being just a bit off, the moment I notice that I can't un-notice it and can no longer fap to it because that detail will just bother me whenever I look at the image. Hell, even small pieces of the clothing constantly changing would bother the fuck out of me and be completely immersion breaking. Please, if you try to make a Dune game, don't just make it a dumpster of random art to bait people in just because of the subject of the content. Actually try enough to make the art consistent at the bare minimum. You're already cutting many corners by using AI-Gen at all, and that in and of itself can easily turn people away.

Hell, instead of a bunch of inconsistent images, it'd probably be better to just make a small amount of images for each character, like sprites, and then just make more only as they're needed. It'd allow you to work with less images and give you an easier time making sure everything that needs to be consistent is, in fact, consistent. Sure, you'd still need to put in more work on any actual 'scenes' a character would be part of, but it'd cut effort out of basic scene-to-scene transitions.

I do like the general style of the images you've shared, but I am worried about the inconsistencies between all three of them. So long as you can get stuff like that all cleaned up, I think the style, and potentially your idea, has a lot of potential.

it's handdrawing, so you can't expect 100% consist. those second, depend on certain games, arts styles and viewers. i'm also someone who have OCD in real life. i willing to accept other people mistake. just not me...

 

[katysune]

OG parody game

im curious what is the name of the game ?

 

[TimeWalker]

im curious what is the name of the game ?

the dune..if i remember correctly. used to play it before this one.

 

[reynold.biplane]

I NEED more Jessica content

Is this Jessica? I don't know, but she looks similar.
Made by Night.


And more from him, most pictures also made with the same Balsamique LORA.

im curious what is the name of the game ?

Just "Dune". Made by Cryo Interactive in 1992.

Ninjaperv , Impregnator_Erectux , ZoneIT , gibs6100
It seems like our discussion has run its course. Should we clean up, now that we're done? I feel a little bit bad about clogging up the thread. I doubt, that anyone else will be interested in reading that. I'd like to ask a mod to delete those posts. That is, unless you want to preserve them.
Thumbs up= Yay
Facepalm = Nay

 

[PhantomStranger]

Just my two cents on the long "scat vs incest" discussion:

I think everybody here agrees that IRL and fantasy are two very different things, and that very few people here would probably be interested in a real life experience with either scat or sex with their relatives.

So this leaves the fantasy. BUT.
While I can on principle agree that to each his own favourite kink, and that fantasies are harmless, I am not sure that they are equally appealing or disgusting to everyone.

I tend toward the idea that incest has the edge here, if only for the fact that it has a "taste of the forbidden" that doesn't apply to scat (no pun intended). What I mean, while is very easy to understand the appeal of doing something you shouldn't (same reason why having an affair can be more exciting than sex with your spouse), that doesn't apply to feces. Interacting with them is not strictly considered socially "forbidden" or unethical.

Somebody wrote about an innate biological avversion toward incest. While this is true, the same is also true for everything regarding body waste. There is an evolutionary reason why the smell of poop is unpleasant, and that because it is a potential health risk and we evolved with a dislike for that aroma just for that reason (the same reason because rotting food smells bad to us, but not to flies).

But again, those are arguments for IRL interactions, so see above. Same goes for deformities in the progeny. In a fantasy, even if there is a pregnancy (and that is a different kink, that can or cannot go with incest according to personal tastes) in general nobody gets off thinking about deformed babies, but rather about the taboo/forbidden act of having one with someone you shouldn't. So this point is also irrelevant.

The argument about power and/or abuse is similar. I personally like fantasy with no abuse, rape or taking advantage of someone in a condition of subordination to the partner. So I look for incest between adults (better if there is romance), but I acknowledge that the rape fantasy can appeal to other people. But again, if it's just a fantasy, it's not very different from dreaming of raping a popstar. Nobody gets hurt.

So in the end I would say that incest tends to have a wider appeal and a more easily understandable allure because of the thrill of the forbidden, meaning that while both kink are "legitimate" as fantasies, one is much more niche than the other.
Any dev considering to add them to his game should take that into account (and that is all I will say even remotely related to Balsa and BtD, or we'll fall into a rabbit hole I don't want to go into).

reinhold.doppeldecker I really appreciated your intellectual honesty and effort to defend a principle, even if we disagree on some issues about this game. Maybe this whole discussion could have been ended earlier, though.

 

[reynold.biplane]

Huh, it looks like the cleanup has already begun? I haven't asked for this (yet). One of my posts from the above discussion was deleted for kink shaming. Isn't that strange, since I was pretty much arguing against kink-shaming the whole time?

Anyway, a bunch of AI-generated/assisted fanart was lost in the deletion, so I'm re-uploading that.
Kisato:


Charlusky:

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Night:


And I don't usually share failures, but this one was too amusing.

Just my two cents on the long "scat vs incest" discussion:

Thanks for chiming in and making the effort to explain things in detail. I think I can agree with this on the whole. You explain, why incest is a more popular fetish than scat. I was never trying to argue against that. It would be futile. The stats speak for themselves. Just let us remind ourselves, that popularity =/= acceptability. Being into a more popular fetish doesn't necessarily give the moral high ground to shit on other fetishes.
I could pontificate some more, as to why I think one is more popular than the other, but I don't think that would get us anywhere. (In short, consensual incest relies very much on circumstance, whereas partners for scat can be found relatively easily in certain places.)

I wanted to get even more in-depth on the whole issue, but then decided against it.

(and that is all I will say even remotely related to Balsa and BtD, or we'll fall into a rabbit hole I don't want to go into).

I think your opinion on that is very well known to regulars of this thread
And I've added my own opinion many times, as well.

@reinhold.doppeldecker I really appreciated your intellectual honesty and effort to defend a principle, even if we disagree on some issues about this game. Maybe this whole discussion could have been ended earlier, though.

Yes, the debate could have ended sooner. I think it was entirely my responsibility, that it dragged on for so long. I was accused of having base motives for defending scat, and my ego just couldn't take that.