VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [Dr PinkCake]

[felicemastronzo]

It is interesting to talk about the Maya and Josy relationship dynamic when you are not on their route, but it isn't really productive to say who is better or worse when it comes to the MC. I will say that Josy's feelings for the MC are deeper than Maya's... or perhaps she is merely more sensitive and in touch with her feelings. It is interesting that if you break their hearts on Halloween not only is Maya instantly forgiving but perhaps a little too cool with it. She still gives him the opportunity to feel up her stockings (a cheat option if on a relationship path) and does that weird ASMR shit with him. Josy, meanwhile, seems to cultivate a seething enmity in the same period of time. I honestly hate that route because of how hurt she is. If you break her heart earlier in the ruined library. You get two scenes of her crying, one after she meets her father and the other after they have the near-miss encounter with Patrick.

I'm actually trying to go somewhere with this. The way that Josy and Maya respond to treatment by MC has a great deal to do with their relationships with their fathers. Maya is accustomed to trying to appease her father because of the abusive relationship dynamic. This is why she bends over backward to accommodate MC even when he hurts her. This pleases us as a player, but it is clearly unhealthy. Josy, meanwhile, has even more complex feelings about her father. She loves him, but he is kind of a dirtbag in his own special way. She makes excuses for him even though he lied, cheated, and hurt her mom. She has difficulty resolving these two conflicting feelings and low-key blames her mom for not keeping her dad happy. So how does she react when MC discards her? Rage turned inward. She turns on herself just like she turned on her mom, and Jesus Christ is that a sad thing to see. Yet she is also angry at MC for making her feel that way, even if she knows that he meant no harm and that she and Maya made this relationship difficult for him every step of the way.

The point I am making is that Josy and Maya are daddy issues squared. This doesn't mean that they aren't my favorite romance path. It just means that we understand them a little better if we don't romance them.

Josy and Maya's relationship toward MC is profoundly different.
between Josy and MC there is essentially a crush, they saw each other and liked each other, they don't really know each other that much, they first talked to each other the day before MC left for college.
Whereas between Maya and Mc on the contrary they started from a friendship that then, eventually became something else.
Josy not wanting to remain friends with MC after the breakup makes absolute sense, because they 2 have never been friends in their lives, and for the same reason it makes sense that Maya on the other hand all in all is fine with still staying in touch with MC, because MC is still one of the few people she trusts.

to this is also added a plot reason, Josy may prefer MC to Maya, Maya does not, the fact that she is more comfortable with MC is a very soft statement, which one can make even to a friend when one is in a complicated relationship. if Maya wanted to have an exclusive relationship with MC she would have solved the loan problem, and DPC cannot allow that.

 

[NewTricks]

I think you might be right.
I'm still salty I can't have Quinn as a chick mc though.

The funny thing is that you can have Envy/Nicole route as a Chick MC even though you need to make two major DIK decisions just to get on her route (do DIK stuff at the strip club and go with Tommy to the Milf bar) and you also have to qualify for the "others" route so you need to be very judicious with your DIK and relationship decisions to thread the needle. If you do it, you get to give her cuddles during her latest love scene.

 

[znar25]

The Sage-only path is in a really great place....

 

[DarkMage73]

I don't like that Maya likes a dik MC.
She should be exclusively a chick LI.
Like Quinn is for a dik MC.

Well,

 

[Alfius]

Both Maya and Josy behaved equally badly.
Josy wore a sexy dress to seduce MC, but throughout the date she talked about how good she was with Maya and shared memories. In addition, it was Josy who asked to do everything for Maya and that is what MC remembered when he was sitting in the car before the last spurt.
Maya on the contrary complained about Josy and practically admitted that she doesn't like her and is much more comfortable with MC. If Josy is still in doubt, Maya has practically already cheated Josy. If not physically, but on a psychological level.

I don't know if he did it intentionally or not, but so far it looks like out of this couple, Maya is the first one ready to cheat, while Josy wants to do the right thing and enter into a relationship with MC only after the official breakup.

Hmmmm....

So It seems that Maya is more lesbian then Josy.

1) Maya accepts the break-up much easier
2) Maya literally thirst after other girls
3) Maya easily moves on from Ex-GF to friend/buddy
4) Maya does not seem to be romantically interested in the MC at all after the break-up
5) Maya seems to prioritise Josy above MC in relationship pecking order
6) Maya was immediately for an open relationship with MC and other girls.
7) But yes, Maya and Josy have a rocky relationship at best. IMO it will not last either way. They fight a lot over stupid shit.


Contrast that with Josy.
1) Josy cannot handle the break-up at all (Especially if MC is with another girl)
2) Contrary to Maya, Josy are not interested in other girls at all.
3) Josy in every situation lets the MC knows that she still wants him after the breakup.
4) Josy is not able to move on from seeing the MC as a romantic partner. (They are never just friends again)
5) I think Josy preferred MC over Maya in the relationship pecking order.
6) Josy admits that it was wrong to let the MC have an open relationship and she regrets it.
7) If MC pursues Josy solo, I suspect Josy will breakup with Maya in a heartbeat.

TLDR; Josy is not over the MC, regardless of the path you play. (I do not have a path where MC were never in Maya Jose relationship so do not know that one). Maya instantly moves on after their breakup and becomes normal friends again.

Look, I love Maya from the very start, but it is clear which one of the two are more into the MC romantically.

 

[dSinx_]

hello is there any VN games like The Last Challenge high quality rendering where you can control the sex and there's porn sound as well?

 

[Alfius]

I think you might be right.
I'm still salty I can't have Quinn as a chick mc though.

I do not know how one can do a chick playthrough.... Neutral was perfect, but the game itself lend itself to the Dik Score such a lot. I mean you are in the DIK house!!

 

[Sun of Rome]

So It seems that Maya is more lesbian then Josy.

I've been saying for a while now that Maya likes Sage a lot.
She's said several times that she loves her and thinks she's hot, lol. It's probably not love, but she's interested in her, at least sexually for sure.
Probably in the event of a breakup Sage and Maya could become a couple and I can see that clearly. Or Maya could participate in a threesome involving Sage, that would be the best fucking threesome ever and there seems to be more and more circumstantial reasons for it. Maya doesn't talk about anyone like that, just Sage.

 

[ChipLecsap]

so in fact MC disobeys Jill and Bella's recommendations.

Really, ? I don't know what Bella say to him, but Jill's word can easily be interpreted that MC would definitely regret if he not going back and dont do everything he can

 

[Joshy92]

I do not know how one can do a chick playthrough.... Neutral was perfect, but the game itself lend itself to the Dik Score such a lot. I mean you are in the DIK house!!

I'm only in the DIK house because I can't live with Maya.

 

[Strettch]

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Joking aside, I hope you enjoy the game. I worked my ass off to create this and boy this is expensive.

I need funding to complete this project.

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Cheers

the game disappears after Maya's mother (helen) scene in the doctors office. I'm guessing this is a bug. is it just me ?

 

[DarkMage73]

the game disappears after Maya's mother (helen) scene in the doctors office. I'm guessing this is a bug. is it just me ?

 

[dalli_x]

Josy and Maya's relationship toward MC is profoundly different.
between Josy and MC there is essentially a crush, they saw each other and liked each other, they don't really know each other that much, they first talked to each other the day before MC left for college.
Whereas between Maya and Mc on the contrary they started from a friendship that then, eventually became something else.
Josy not wanting to remain friends with MC after the breakup makes absolute sense, because they 2 have never been friends in their lives, and for the same reason it makes sense that Maya on the other hand all in all is fine with still staying in touch with MC, because MC is still one of the few people she trusts.

to this is also added a plot reason, Josy may prefer MC to Maya, Maya does not, the fact that she is more comfortable with MC is a very soft statement, which one can make even to a friend when one is in a complicated relationship. if Maya wanted to have an exclusive relationship with MC she would have solved the loan problem, and DPC cannot allow that.

I'm just writing this now just to make Maya lie so she can feel more comfortable with the MC. Why? Maya feels bad when her father just accepts her when he thinks Maya is straight. That's how it's written.

So I also suspect that it could be a mistake that Maya joins the MC in EP10. At the end of EP3, Maya says that she now knows what she has to do. So what's the easiest way out of Maya's situation? She just has to present Patrick with a boyfriend, prove that she has sex with a guy.

Spoiler: Connection from EP10, EP9 to EP3

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But when the MC goes to Josy, everything is based more on feelings. Josy and the MC get the chance to get to know each other even better. The MC also learns things from Josy about her relationship with Maya. Keyword piercing. But the scene with Josy in EP10 provides a connection to EP6.

Spoiler: Connection from EP10, EP9 to EP6

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There will be solo paths for Josy and Maya, but these will come with consequences. If Maya is with the MC, she will regret for the rest of her life for ending her relationship with Josy, her first love. If the MC is with Josy, Josy will suffer because she doesn't have both Maya and the MC. This could cause lasting damage to Josy and the MC's solo relationship. How do you come up with that?

During my playthrough I noticed one thing. The MC can actively prevent other people's relationships from being disrupted or interfering in others' relationships. The only exceptions are Josy and Maya. Therefore I think that all three (Josy, Maya and the MC) can only be truly happy together.

Spoiler: Theory

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[Kpyna]

The reason Maya doesn't react like Josy if you break up with them is because Maya is used to being disappointed in men.
And she is more in control of her emotions than Josy is.

Not in men, probably in her whole previous life in general. Tough childhood and harsh upbringing, no friends, was bullied at school, find a girl who she loved and was fucked up by her own dad for both her love life and her future with the loan and tuition shit Patrick blackmailed her with.

The funny thing is that you can have Envy/Nicole route as a Chick MC even though you need to make two major DIK decisions just to get on her route (do DIK stuff at the strip club and go with Tommy to the Milf bar) and you also have to qualify for the "others" route so you need to be very judicious with your DIK and relationship decisions to thread the needle. If you do it, you get to give her cuddles during her latest love scene.

You're not obliged to go to the bar with Tommy. You'll miss the threesome, but the most important thing with Nicole is to make her like the MC in Swyper. The next req for Nicole path is a CUM-petition activity at Halloween and going with Lily & Nicole to her place after.
Same goes for Nora. Scene in bar with Tommy is not important too, but you have to make her like the MC in Swyper and get her phone number at the gym in EP8.

 

[Joshy92]

Not in men, probably in her whole previous life in general. Tough childhood and harsh upbringing, no friends, was bullied at school, find a girl who she loved and was fucked up by her own dad for both her love life and her future with the loan and tuition shit Patrick blackmailed her with.


You're not obliged to go to the bar with Tommy. You'll miss the threesome, but the most important thing with Nicole is to make her like the MC in Swyper. The next req for Nicole path is a CUM-petition activity at Halloween and going with Lily & Nicole to her place after.
Same goes for Nora. Scene in bar with Tommy is not important too, but you have to make her like the MC in Swyper and get her phone number at the gym in EP8.

Agree about Maya.
And her suffering though all that just makes me want to show her how special she is even more.

She deserves some happiness in her life.

 

[Porthas]

The reason Maya doesn't react like Josy if you break up with them is because Maya is used to being disappointed in men.
And she is more in control of her emotions than Josy is.

I'm going to nitpick this a little bit.

She's used to being disappointed with life. She's lived with a chronically ill, dying mother. The whole family has been crushed, frankly.

Edit: someone else has said the same thing. Oh well, that's the nature of forums. No biggie.

 

[Porthas]

I'm only in the DIK house because I can't live with Maya.

Ironically she's probably going to be the easiest woman to live with. I don't see her getting upset over leaving the toilet seat up accidentally.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Really, ? I don't know what Bella say to him, but Jill's word can easily be interpreted that MC would definitely regret if he not going back and dont do everything he can

Jill tells him not to do things he might regret, and considering that it is Jill I am pretty sure that sneaking into other people's homes falls under the rubric.

Too bold for her...

 

[Kpyna]

- In EP10 Derek finds the camera, later he asks the MC if he can sleep with him. Where does Derek sleep at the MC? Not in his bed, but on the couch. Who has the camera again? Derek.

- Only after Derek slept on the MC's couch is it possible for Maya to spend the night at the MC's. At this point I'm seriously wondering if Maya is only having sex with the MC to create a video or picture as evidence for her father Patrick. How do I get that? The MC asks Maya if they want to go to bed, but the sex definitely takes place on the couch. If so, Maya is just using the MC as a beard and her feelings towards the MC may not be real.

You can respond to Derek negatively when he asks MC to share his room (EP8?) If you do so, Derek scene is not shown and he never asks MC to take his couch in EP10. He sleeps in his closet.

Dude, seriously... Maya planning and preparing a video of her having sex with a guy as a proof for her dad? Not only that he is the one who said that her dress was too explicit and he want boys on campus to treat her right (when Patrick got into her dorm and J&M and MC almost walked in there), but just... he is her dad.
Show such video to a religious dad who is obsessed with making everything "right", "decent", "properly", etc.? Even if he would be a more "normal" one, how you even imagining this? lol.

- Dad, do you see? I'm straight now, I swear!
- How come?
- Let me show you some... video...
- $#$#?! THE FUCK?!

And... it doesn't proof anything. Lesbians (pure, not a bi ones) could have sex with a guys just for fun. It doesn't reverse them to or make them "straight". The relationship, wedding, family and children - yes. And even with all of this it's still can be a "beard" sometimes.

That conversation with a half drunken Maya is her new and wild side that she opened for herself. Sex in the class, sex behind the curtains, dare game in Rusty's room and later after their relationship became a public thing. She clearly understood what MC was meant and how he planned to use this video in the future.

This is what makes Patrick happy and proofs enough for him:

And even when you haven't said Josy about Chad & Troy and she hadn't come up with a "beard" idea (which as for me, sounds quite strange for a Throuple branch, because MC is Maya's boyfriend actually, it could be called "beard" only when the MC is not in Throuple), he is still happy to see something "uncommon" with his daughter:


And since I looked through a bunch of renders for above, I just noticed this, lol:

Room w/o Sage:


Room with Sage:


Why it's fun? Because I just remembered some of the EP10 update statuses, where DPC posted a render with a "wrong reflection" on the beer bottle or something like that and said that such things have to be fixed...

 

[VaderExMachina]

we can all agree that, after playing this game, we can't look at a broccoli and a watermelon the same way ever again....