VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [Dr PinkCake]

[obibobi]

That soon you are still going to bring up prehistoric issues such as that women are only good for cooking or that black slaves are necessary ...

You where making an ok argument until this point, not you've lost the plot and we should just end this topic.

 

[felicemastronzo]

This, to me, is an issue with the condensed timeframe. In just a couple of days, the MC either goes from being rejected or putting them in the friendzone, to being sucked back into their orbit with barely any time to get over things and establish at least the beginnings of a proper friendship. The story barely gets any time to breath and could honestly have benefited from short time jumps rather than cramming so much in to 3 weeks.

maybe you are right, but it did not happen and the time slates so compact in each other are always difficult to manage

instead you find yourself stuck in a friendship (that in a porn game is nobody's goal) in which the management of problems is also up to MC, but it is not even worth dancing together and drinking champagne with him ...

the only solution was to always let them go out as three friends who would then over time analyze what they felt for each other, made peace with each other, and then in the rest of the game we would see how things were going

 

[anonymoussposter]

I don't think you can claim anyone really thinks it's exactly like real life. You need to have suspension of disbelief, the MC gets involved in so much within such a small time frame and the whole sleeping with multiple girls and them being all being ok with it but as amazing as the game is, I would rather not play it 6-8 times just for a few scenes.

I find the best way of looking at it, is that these are all separate stories and you are just playing them all at the same time for convenience.

fine but give a choice to do it in M-J path
why to force it in a path where mc has other bigger problems to deal with

reason for this can be either their is lack of content in other path of-course because THE story haven't reached so far yet to show it/spill the beans etc. or maybe dpc do not want to leave main stories on any path so in future in chick path as well mc will be forced to indulge in drug business etc.

 

[Gladheim]

You where making an ok argument until this point, not you've lost the plot and we should just end this topic.

No, it's that it bothers me that they tell me that at 18 years old you understand life and love and that it is good that 12-year-old kids are working to get their things at the cost of the happiness of a child. It doesn't seem right to me, maybe 50 years ago yes, but not today and thank goodness

 

[Rinbael]

Not if the characters are important to the story and can't be cut out, which these 2 are.

You can almost completely cut out Sage if you don't teach her how to play guitar, If you don't visit Bella in the library you barely see her either and Jill can also be avoided quite a bit depending on what you choose even, Quinn can almost be completely avoided depending on your choices. Maya and Josy are the only ones that you can't seem to escape from and keep getting dragged back in to their drama.

 

[DavDR]

We are in 2020 not in 1950. You really don't think it's wrong for a 12-year-old to have to work? really? And that you know that this does not make you more adult, working does not make you more expert in love, no sir, I still think the same, at 18 or 25 you have no fucking idea how the world works. Notice how convinced I am that I would not let those under 30 vote. And the offtopic is over. That soon you are still going to bring up prehistoric issues such as that women are only good for cooking or that black slaves are necessary ...

You only learn how the world works when you get out in it and deal with it's challenges. Living a sheltered life with no responsibility is sad, not desirable. And no one made me go to work, I chose too. I worked then for the same reason I work now, I want money. And the whole thing about slavery, what orafice did you pull that out of?

 

[felicemastronzo]

fine but give a choice to do it in M-J path
why to force it in a path where mc has other bigger problems to deal with

reason for this can be either their is lack of content in other path of-course because THE story haven't reached so far yet to show it/spill the beans etc. or maybe dpc do not want to leave main stories on any path so in future in chick path as well mc will be forced to indulge in drug business etc.

but what are these big problems that MC would have?

he has a college loan

if being poor is a serious problem at least 60% of the world have it, fortunately not everyone realizes it

 

[Holy Bacchus]

how exactly ?
after ep 6
they are hots for namesake so nothing to do with quins drug den , restaurant , or free tuition anymore
nothing directly to do with diks problems ,Vinny, jocks , or preps
no connection to jade , burke , cathy or bella

I would say Lily has more to do with the main story than any of them

A) They could get mixed up in something in the coming episodes
B) Even if they aren't, they are connected to the MC both directly and indirectly via his friend and DIK brother Derek.

Think about Mary Jane in classic Spider-Man comics; she doesn't have any direct links to Doc Ock, Kingpin, Rhino, Shocker, etc, but she can often be a major component of Spider-Man stories because she is his crush/girlfriend/wife. She gets caught up in his stories because of her connection to him, therefore whatever is going to happen with the MC may require M&J, moreso than others, hence why they can't be cut completely.

the only solution was to always let them go out as three friends who would then over time analyze what they felt for each other, made peace with each other, and then in the rest of the game we would see how things were going

Agreed. This is something I've been saying for a while, that the friendship option (which should have been automatic on the DIK path and not been a rejection) should have led to all 3 of them deciding to be friends, thus putting M&J on an official break, in order for the 3 of them to figure out what/who it is that they really want.

You can almost completely cut out Sage if you don't teach her how to play guitar, If you don't visit Bella in the library you barely see her either and Jill can also be avoided quite a bit depending on what you choose even, Quinn can almost be completely avoided depending on your choices. Maya and Josy are the only ones that you can't seem to escape from and keep getting dragged back in to their drama.

Maybe that's because she doesn't have that big a part to play in the the MC's main story, or because there will be a more clean opportunity with her now that she's free and single.

The reason for not being able to get away from the M&J is likely because it's important to the story, whereas Sage's drama with Chad is not, hence why it can be largely skipped over.

 

[Gladheim]

You only learn how the world works when you get out in it and deal with it's challenges. Living a sheltered life with no responsibility is sad, not desirable. And no one made me go to work, I chose too. I worked then for the same reason I work now, I want money. And the whole thing about slavery, what orafice did you pull that out of?

I repeat it again, a 12-year-old boy has to be in school studying not working. Unless you live in a third world country.

But I already see in the reactions that there are some who see it well and I am sure that if they had a company they would be exploiting minors (and adults) in order to earn money. Poor unhappy people, they surely envy the childhood full of happiness and without work that millennials have lived through.

 

[Rinbael]

Maybe that's because she doesn't have that big a part to play in the the MC's main story, or because there will be a more clean opportunity with her now that she's free and single.

The reason for not being able to get away from the M&J is likely because it's important to the story, whereas Sage's drama with Chad is not, hence why it can be largely skipped over.

How is Maya's drama with her dad more important than Sage's trouble with Chad. Maya's drama with her dad or Josy is irrelevant to the Diks, Quinn or Burke so I don't get how you think it's important enough to the main story to not be skippable depending on your choices.

 

[Kellermann]

A lot of deep, thoughtful, intelligent conversations going on in here.

Meanwhile...

 

[ename144]

She's 18 years old. Her Father can't forbid anything. Same goes with the people talking about her Father dragging her back home after ep 6. If he does that it's kidnapping. As far as bankruptcy, she has a co-signer so there's no danger of bankruptcy. Finally, if she needs an out there's an Armed Force's recruiting office in every town, all she has to do is sign up and take the oath and all student loan's are forgiven. All that all of the above require's is that Maya grow up and act like an adult.

There's no indication that a GI bill exists in the BaDIK universe, so I don't think it's fair to blame Maya for not using it.

As for what her father can do to her, it really depends on the situation. Yes, at 18 Maya is technically an adult and can legally make her own choices, but if she has no resources, few friends, limited practical experience and a mountain of debt, that legal ability is moot. The game explicitly says that Maya's father tricked her into a position where he is able to compel her actions, but the explanation for why that is the case does not make logical sense.

You can chose to interpret that as Maya being too lazy and/or stupid to realize the danger is illusory, or you can interpret it as DPC being too lazy to ground his drama realistically and resorting to the financial equivalent of technobabble.

I choose to interpret it as the latter because, for all Maya's faults, she WAS actively pursuing the only opportunity the story presented as able to solve her problem. It's pretty clear she hated the idea of pledging the HOTs and completing Quinn's list, but she did it anyway because she felt it was her only choice. She does not acquiesce to her father's demands (Maya was actually trying to contact Josy at the start of the semester), and she did not wait around expecting Derek or the MC to solve all her problems for her. Indeed, she only accepted the MC's offer to help (if he offered) a day and a half later, after her father's visit made it clear she couldn't afford to wait any longer.

Personally, I find those details easier to square with the financial-babble scenario. I'm sure some of that comes down to me finding Maya sympathetic in general, but I do think it makes logical sense, too.

That said, I do agree that Maya needs to be an active participant in whatever resolution we eventually get for this. It's fine for the MC to take the lead in finding the way out of the mess, but Maya needs to take the lead in making the eventual plan into reality (even if most of the mundane busywork is offscreen). It won't be enough for her to thank the MC for saving the day.

 

[Jimmy90]

What do you think about the date with Jill when she asks about the supposed fire in the mansion? Will we have repercussions if we tell her that its Derek's fault or its best that we took also some blame? Technically its Derek who was holding the lighter.

 

[Javichu]

What do you think about the date with Jill when she asks about the supposed fire in the mansion? Will we have repercussions if we tell her that its Derek's fault or its best that we took also some blame? Technically its Derek who was holding the lighter.

You are a bad friend and a squirol. Please guys try other games they are good news everyday in this page, the threat goes about 5000 pages wait and no especule.

 

[Gladheim]

What do you think about the date with Jill when she asks about the supposed fire in the mansion? Will we have repercussions if we tell her that its Derek's fault or its best that we took also some blame? Technically its Derek who was holding the lighter.

There was not even fire, only water. It's all a little weird. You should tell him that you did it together, you cannot left behind a friend.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

How is Maya's drama with her dad more important than Sage's trouble with Chad. Maya's drama with her dad or Josy is irrelevant to the Diks, Quinn or Burke so I don't get how you think it's important enough to the main story to not be skippable depending on your choices.

I guess that's what we'll find out, but the fact that it has been largely unavoidable does suggest that it is important in establishing something that will pay off later, otherwise it would have been like the Sage/Chad drama.

But on the Sage/Chad drama, skipping it just means skipping being FWB but doesn't necessarily close off Sage completely because perhaps now she's ready for someone new and I believe the MC even says to her in Ep 5 if he didn't take things further with her that it was because she was with Chad, so now it removes that barrier for him too.

 

[DavDR]

I repeat it again, a 12-year-old boy has to be in school studying not working. Unless you live in a third world country.

But I already see in the reactions that there are some who see it well and I am sure that if they had a company they would be exploiting minors (and adults) in order to earn money. Poor unhappy people, they surely envy the childhood full of happiness and without work that millennials have lived through.

I never said I missed any school, I worked during summer break. And why does everything have to be about some third party exploiting someone. People make their own choices in life, unless they live in the BADIK universe.

 

[Giaochino]

What do you think about the date with Jill when she asks about the supposed fire in the mansion? Will we have repercussions if we tell her that its Derek's fault or its best that we took also some blame? Technically its Derek who was holding the lighter.

Not much. I think telling her "we did it" it's more honest.
MC was there he didn't actually lit the lighter, but he didn't try stop Derek nor dissuade him. He didn't think about ruining Jill's stuff too so.... Shifting the blame on Derek I believe is the wrong choice.

 

[godkingxerxes]

yes and why will anyone give his dead mother's money to some fellow idiots who he had met only few days ago and not giving to his poor father who had done so much for him and this is what should be done if we apply simple human behavior

people may do it in game but will never do irl

People will do it in game because we'll be forced to do in game.

Too many people in this thread seem to talk real life far too much and completely forget that this is a story, where we the player have some control at how we shape the character of the MC, but will have no control at how the game ends.

 

[JSIEGHart]

Hey I have a question can I bring save file from steam to this one?