VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [Dr PinkCake]

[Gladheim]

No matter what genre a game is, no LI should ever die, especially when you can do nothing about it as in the case with AL. Sure, some people might have preferred one over the other, but for those who wanted both (of which I'm sure they were many) it's a massive blow that can be hard to get over.

If a game explicitly sets up the possibility of a relationship, whether it's with one or more characters, you just don't take that away from people in an unpreventable way. If a relationship ends it should either because of a choice by the player to not pursue or continue it, or because they screwed it up by making wrong choices or by being unfaithful with a LI who wanted them to be faithful.

So hopefully DPC won't do what they did in AL, even if they still are proud of how AL went.



Things have changed a bit since then. They've since said things after that which suggest it could be just 12 episodes or even as little as 10, so the 16 episode estimate now seems like it might be out of contention.

So Aerith cannot die in FF7 right? Maya in Borderlands ? Joel in TLOU2? There are many examples

 

[Regis NEX]

This is a long shot, but can anyone supply me a FULL android game? I know these are all patched, and I can't seem to find where to download 5.2 version. So if anyone can be a hero, that would be greatly appreciated.​

 

[Holy Bacchus]

So Aerith cannot die in FF7 right? Maya in Borderlands ? Joel in TLOU2? There are many examples

I don't know about those first 2 since I've never played them, but what does Joel have to do with this? I'm talking about LIs in AVNs, and Joel isn't a LI in TLOU2 and those games aren't AVNs.

 

[joeysalamander]

That's all I ask.

I haven't played AL, but from what I've read, the player there still had the chance to save their chosen LI and get a good ending with that individual LI. So even with this dev's reputation, I don't think there's precedent to straight up killing a LI that the player is trying to get with. The most obvious similarity, however, is not being able to have two major LI, so I guess it's possible that some "tragedy" makes Maya/Josy/MC impossible, but you know what? Fuck those two, I went for the friendship option as soon as it was possible. It's the Sage / Jill / Bella train for me.

Regarding killing characters, I agree with Bacchus that the dev shouldn't take away the choice from the players. Personal example in this game, I've turned down the drug path and Quinn/Rionna path, just not my cup of tea. If that means those two are now off limits and they eventually die or something in the worst case scenario, I'm honestly not going to mind. But if I really liked the character and was focusing on either of them as LI, I would be upset if that was just taken away with no choice. The dev has his own artistic visions though, so we'll see where this ends up whenever it concludes.

 

[Gladheim]

I don't know about those first 2 since I've never played them, but what does Joel have to do with this? I'm talking about LIs in AVNs, and Joel isn't a LI in TLOU2 and those games aren't AVNs.

You first said that genre didn't matter and now you simplify it to just AVNs? well I'll explain it to you, but not meeting Aerith from FF7 should be a sin xd, Aerith is one of the most important characters in the history of videogames and of that particular game and dies murdered in the middle of it, giving meaning to many things. What I mean by this? Well, if someone has to die that is justified and makes sense, but it is not something serious that happens, in fact I do not care if it is well done.

 

[AchedCroissant]

I don't know about those first 2 since I've never played them, but what does Joel have to do with this? I'm talking about LIs in AVNs, and Joel isn't a LI in TLOU2 and those games aren't AVNs.

I don't know if you remember in Mass Effect 2 in the suicide mission where several LI characters could die if you didn't do things right before.

But you are right but let's not forget that behind this is DPC

 

[lemonfreak]

No matter what genre a game is, no LI should ever die, especially when you can do nothing about it as in the case with AL. Sure, some people might have preferred one over the other, but for those who wanted both (of which I'm sure they were many) it's a massive blow that can be hard to get over.

If a game explicitly sets up the possibility of a relationship, whether it's with one or more characters, you just don't take that away from people in an unpreventable way. If a relationship ends it should either because of a choice by the player to not pursue or continue it, or because they screwed it up by making wrong choices or by being unfaithful with a LI who wanted them to be faithful.

So hopefully DPC won't do what they did in AL, even if they still are proud of how AL went.



Things have changed a bit since then. They've since said things after that which suggest it could be just 12 episodes or even as little as 10, so the 16 episode estimate now seems like it might be out of contention.

How did you feel about FFVII back in the day?

 

[felicemastronzo]

Could you give like a % how much of that contest is real deal or half of the content renders are like story mode dialouge, walking in the park, taking a shower type stuff.

real deal would it be sex?

I would say 20%

 

[Arigon]

It isn't a screwball college comedy though. It's a teen drama filled soap now.

My Man!
You and I are on the same page.. only one slight edit... it is a teen MELOdrama filled soap now.... blander than oatmeal and causes one to shit on the results!

 

[felicemastronzo]

You first said that gender didn't matter and now you simplify it to just AVNs? well I'll explain it to you, but not meeting Aerith from FF7 should be a sin xd, Aerith is one of the most important characters in the history of videogames and of that particular game and dies murdered in the middle of it, giving meaning to many things. What I mean by this? Well, if someone has to die that is justified and makes sense, but it is not something serious that happens, in fact I do not care if it is well done.

the term LI applies only to this type of games, where the goal is to crown this relationship or that romantic relationship.

I don't agree 100% with Holy Bacchus , because the fact that some characters are LI and others aren't is usually arbitrary, it follows the developer's will

but DPC want to canonize them, highlighting them well. and this becomes a problem if an LI has to "absolutely die".

in AL there are 4 LI, one is fake and one dies, we are on the side of the scam.

if it happened in BADIK it would be even worse, it would be a surprise game over not tied to the player's choices.
then everyone has fun as they like, but I only play if I can win, otherwise I feel cheated




p.s.
then in the seventh KRJ will die for sure, but not being an LI it is only violence against animals

 

[crabsinthekitchen]

Could you give like a % how much of that contest is real deal or half of the content renders are like story mode dialouge, walking in the park, taking a shower type stuff.

there's like 30 minutes of sex animations

 

[Holy Bacchus]

You first said that gender didn't matter and now you simplify it to just AVNs? well I'll explain it to you, but not meeting Aerith from FF7 should be a sin xd, Aerith is one of the most important characters in the history of videogames and of that particular game and dies murdered in the middle of it, giving meaning to many things. What I mean by this? Well, if someone has to die that is justified and makes sense, but it is not something serious that happens, in fact I do not care if it is well done.

I never said anything about gender, I said "genre" and I was meaning genres of AVNs. The whole point of an AVN, aside from rampant fucking, is to woo your favoured main LI(s) and end up with them. Therefore, if a character is designated as a main LI then they should not be killed off or otherwise removed from the game because by that status, they should have ending routes. In AL, both Megan and Melissa have ending routes with the MC but at the cost of one of them which might be fine for those who only want one of them, but the game teased a relationship with both and it was, in my view, wrong to tease people with that, to build that up, and then take it away in such a brutal fashion.

In AVNs, if you want to kill off or remove a character, it should be a secondary or tertiary character, like how Mona is now seemingly gone from the game. Her leaving so abruptly will have ramifications that can affect the story which justifies it even though it does suck to lose her, but the death in AL was not, in my opinion, justifiable in the same sort of way and felt like it was more done for the shock value rather than being something that warranted it from a plot perspective.

I don't know if you remember in Mass Effect 2 in the suicide mission where several LI characters could die if you didn't do things right before.

But you are right but let's not forget that behind this is DPC

Didn't play the ME games either.

Could you give like a % how much of that contest is real deal or half of the content renders are like story mode dialouge, walking in the park, taking a shower type stuff.

Put it this way, if you're not interested in the non-sex stuff, then this game probably isn't right for you because the non-sex stuff (i.e. the story) is what's made this so popular and it's a very story heavy game.

So, if reading lots of text and actually getting engaged in the story such that the "real deal" stuff becomes more impactful and engaging doesn't appeal to you, then maybe don't bother playing.

How did you feel about FFVII back in the day?

Never played the FF games.

in AL there are 4 LI, one is fake and one dies, we are on the side of the scam.

if it happened in BADIK it would be even worse, it would be a surprise game over not tied to the player's choices.
then everyone has fun as they like, but I only play if I can win, otherwise I feel cheated

Which is how I felt with AL. Megan and Melissa were teased as a possible throuple a few times and when you decide to be with both they accept and are happy about it, and then the fire happened. A potential relationship the game was building up felt like such a con and it leaves a very bitter taste in the mouth.

My Sister My Roommate had a similar issue where there was originally going to be no ending with the sister but then the dev went back and included one after people doggedly asked for one because the game, at several instances, seemed to indicate that, at the very least, the sister Nikki seemed to want this kind of relationship but then the game denied people at the end. It too felt like a bit of cheat and the dev acknowledged that these things they included could be seen as her wanting a relationship wth her brother even though that wasn't their intention when they put those things in there, but the point is that you don't tease players with that possibility and then say 'no' at the end.

In BaDIK, this is particularly prominent with the M&J relationship, another throuple only this one has gone quite far already. People, including myself, will want an ending with both of them and I believe the game should allow for that, not take it away or break it up as part of an unavoidable plot/narrative moment otherwise it will, again, feel like being cheated out of something that the game would seem to be promising.

 

[felicemastronzo]

So the 80% is just talking about the weather, walking in the park, looking at the rainbow, and stuff like that?

20% sex
25% chat and pampering with LIs
25-30% minigames (skippable)
25-30% plot events

It isn't a screwball college comedy though. It's a teen drama filled soap now.

I have long agreed on this, I just don't see it as a fault.

a "love story" with many characters in the end is necessarily a soap opera

 

[felicemastronzo]

It isn't a screwball college comedy though. It's a teen drama filled soap now.

I have long agreed on this, I just don't see it as a fault.

a "love story" with many characters in the end is necessarily a soap opera

 

[Arigon]

A little ot.
Anyone playing CP2077? Doesn't Judy looks a lot like Quinn?
To me at least she does. I was like "Whoa. What I'm playing right now?"

Agreed

 

[Arigon]

Yeah, and he needs to cut that shit out.



I know it's coming and I'm still upset. I'm already addicted so I can't bow out now even if I wanted to.



That's all I ask.

I am willing to bet that there will be several inevitable endings to thwart our desires, based on DPC being a douche and not our choices...... Gentleman's bet of $100 US?

 

[felicemastronzo]

Which is how I felt with AL. Megan and Melissa were teased as a possible throuple a few times and when you decide to be with both they accept and are happy about it, and then the fire happened. A potential relationship the game was building up felt like such a con and it leaves a very bitter taste in the mouth.

My Sister My Roommate had a similar issue where there was originally going to be no ending with the sister but then the dev went back and included one after people doggedly asked for one because the game, at several instances, seemed to indicate that, at the very least, the sister Nikki seemed to want this kind of relationship but then the game denied people at the end. It too felt like a bit of cheat and the dev acknowledged that these things they included could be seen as her wanting a relationship wth her brother even though that wasn't their intention when they put those things in there, but the point is that you don't tease players with that possibility and then say 'no' at the end.

In BaDIK, this is particularly prominent with the M&J relationship, another throuple only this one has gone quite far already. People, including myself, will want an ending with both of them and I believe the game should allow for that, not take it away or break it up as part of an unavoidable plot/narrative moment otherwise it will, again, feel like being cheated out of something that the game would seem to be promising.

for me the trouple, if it lasts until the end, will be a gift from DPC, I do not consider it a due ending (in AL it was different and more unhealthy, it forced you to the trouple to have Melissa, and then it forced you to sacrifice Meghan). it's an extra ending

instead I demand every single ending for each LI

Let's assume it's Jill who dies, Jill so as a player I'll have to quickly give up Sage, Bella (as well as Nora, Nichole and Sandy). should i accept it after 20 hours of gameplay? and in case be happy with a possible emergency girl for the finale?

 

[Arigon]

My comments in bold contained within your quote:

I've already determined the potential deaths for each character. Possibly it bears repeating:

• Anthony's and Arieth will both forget to keep breathing and suffocate Choice! Perfecto
• Caleb is going to hit something with his fist (rather than flick them with his finger) and they'll die on the spot Tommy perhaps????
• Camila's ass will explode DIK dildo hat and Derek DP?
• Cathy will drive off into the sunset crying and die in a car accident With Sally over the Grand Canyon edge all Thelma and Louise like, but in Leather.
• Chad will get beaten to death by all the homophobic jocks when they find out the truth about him And Lil Dawes will make an appearance which will cause him to likewise be beaten to death.
• Bella will snap and go on a killing spree Using her boobs to smother, or her thighs to break necks.
• Jade will cut her husbands prick off and he'll bleed out As she licks the blood up, and is getting fucked by MC
• Lynette's already dead Magnar digs her up and pulls a Frankenstein on her, and is killed by her necrotic pussy.
• Magnar will think he's impervious to wedgies until Caleb decapitates him with an overzealous wedgie. Magnar already afflicted with Lynette's necrotic pussy will split apart easily, and the rest of the nerds go Zombie like and eat his entrails and braaaaaains!
• Maya's dad will honor kill her And Josy then castrates him and buries a saw blade in his liver.
• Melanie will spontaneously combust because she is too hot After being bukkake covered by at least 25 students and staff
• Mona will be killed by Burke because he's afraid she's going to blackmail him for the attempted solicited sex with a student (this will be before he bleeds out from Jade's fury). Following a very disappointing display of forced sex with Burke.
• Quinn will be knifed in an alley way somewhere And Gang Raped. MC will find her, and hold her head and look at her as she tells him, in a very quiet voice, which he has to lean down to hear, with DPC picking romantic music, that she has 14 different types of herpes.
• Rich will die from accidentally snorting heroin thinking it's cocaine (and no one has an adrenaline shot handy) meh..... I have nothing on this one...
• Riona will also die from an overdose and I can't re-use Rich's scenario so I'll leave it at that ODing on a cocktail of drugs, she goes and works the glory hole a final time, falls unconscious and drowns in the adjacent toilet bowl as her ass is violated by Derek.
• Can't think of a fitting way for Sage to die, so maybe she'll be a final girl Sage discovers her father is not really her father, but is in fact Neil, after she has told the MC she is pregnant with his triplets.
• Sally will die from heart break after Magnar's death Screaming his name as Cathy drives her off the grand canyon cliff side
• Sarah will die from being bitch-slapped by the MC for asking for cash when we know she wants that schlong However, prior to dying, instead of getting the MC dick, she gets abused by Jade with a strap on, while Jill eats her ass.
• Jill dies from sepsis after eating Sarah's infected ass....

 

[Kellermann]

I never said anything about gender, I said "genre" and I was meaning genres of AVNs. The whole point of an AVN, aside from rampant fucking, is to woo your favoured main LI(s) and end up with them. Therefore, if a character is designated as a main LI then they should not be killed off or otherwise removed from the game because by that status, they should have ending routes. In AL, both Megan and Melissa have ending routes with the MC but at the cost of one of them which might be fine for those who only want one of them, but the game teased a relationship with both and it was, in my view, wrong to tease people with that, to build that up, and then take it away in such a brutal fashion.

In AVNs, if you want to kill off or remove a character, it should be a secondary or tertiary character, like how Mona is now seemingly gone from the game. Her leaving so abruptly will have ramifications that can affect the story which justifies it even though it does suck to lose her, but the death in AL was not, in my opinion, justifiable in the same sort of way and felt like it was more done for the shock value rather than being something that warranted it from a plot perspective.



Didn't play the ME games either.



Put it this way, if you're not interested in the non-sex stuff, then this game probably isn't right for you because the non-sex stuff (i.e. the story) is what's made this so popular and it's a very story heavy game.

So, if reading lots of text and actually getting engaged in the story such that the "real deal" stuff becomes more impactful and engaging doesn't appeal to you, then maybe don't bother playing.



Never played the FF games.



Which is how I felt with AL. Megan and Melissa were teased as a possible throuple a few times and when you decide to be with both they accept and are happy about it, and then the fire happened. A potential relationship the game was building up felt like such a con and it leaves a very bitter taste in the mouth.

My Sister My Roommate had a similar issue where there was originally going to be no ending with the sister but then the dev went back and included one after people doggedly asked for one because the game, at several instances, seemed to indicate that, at the very least, the sister Nikki seemed to want this kind of relationship but then the game denied people at the end. It too felt like a bit of cheat and the dev acknowledged that these things they included could be seen as her wanting a relationship wth her brother even though that wasn't their intention when they put those things in there, but the point is that you don't tease players with that possibility and then say 'no' at the end.

In BaDIK, this is particularly prominent with the M&J relationship, another throuple only this one has gone quite far already. People, including myself, will want an ending with both of them and I believe the game should allow for that, not take it away or break it up as part of an unavoidable plot/narrative moment otherwise it will, again, feel like being cheated out of something that the game would seem to be promising.

Fucking hell you're making a lot of sense today. There's only so many upward thumbs and fingers I can give you until it turns into a fisting. Hope it's as good for you as it is for me.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

for me the trouple, if it lasts until the end, will be a gift from DPC, I do not consider it a due ending (in AL it was different and more unhealthy, it forced you to the trouple to have Melissa, and then it forced you to sacrifice Meghan). it's an extra ending

instead I demand every single ending for each LI

Let's assume it's Jill who dies, Jill so as a player I'll have to quickly give up Sage, Bella (as well as Nora, Nichole and Sandy). should i accept it after 20 hours of gameplay? and in case be happy with a possible emergency girl for the finale?

I think a M&J throuple ending is due. There could still be individual endings should something happen with them, but when you give people that opportunity to be with 2 LIs in a mutual relationship among all 3, then there should absolutely be an ending for it. So let's assume that some players go for M&J which means they have to give up all other LIs and side girls, would it be fair if there is no ending with both no matter what players do when this is the relationship said players were aiming for? Should they accept that? Should they accept having to possibly choose one over the other when they want both? Because I don't think so.

Point is that any relationship with designated main LI characters, be they solo or as a package deal, should have an achievable ending for it and none should have a forced "bad" ending where you can't have an ending with them because of an unavoidable plot element.