JamieSadistic

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Don't tell me you're one of those guys that hung around here claiming that Jill being naive was part of some grand plan of hers and she's playing everyone along and she's using Tybalt to unveil Burke's crimes in the end.

Though I'll say it right away, don't expect a major Jill scene in the next episode. Knowing DPC he'll start progressing her story in season 3 and have the first big scene in season 4, probably.
Ok. I won't tell you that.
I'm definitely not one of those guys. As I've stated, I have 0 interest in the Jill path as it sits right now... Her pacing, innocence and naivity are complete turn-offs to me. I'd be more into the Jill path if by chance she turns out to be a freak in the bed after the first hookup scene.
 
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It was a good night. #SlowAndSteadyWinsTheRace


Sushi in what appears to be a house (rather than a restaurant). I wonder... is Jill is trying to upstage Josy and offer the MC her own homecooked meal? He did mention that back on their first date (though not specifically that it was with Josy).

I also wonder who posted this. If it's the MC, that might indicate the interminable blackmail plot is finally over Which would definitely be grounds to party!

Still, can't get too carried away. Need to stay calm while we wait patiently. :cautious:


I'm calling it.
Jill is gonna turn out to be the kinkiest girl in the game.
Nah, my money's on Bella.


I understand what you're saying and I'm also certain that you understand that sometimes people are products of their environment. It may be a stereotype that a lot of poverty stricken people are criminals but their environment leaves them little to no choice in the matter. A lot of different life variables predict the outcome you're gonna have. If you're born into a poor family, it's a LOT harder to succeed by legal means than it would be if you were born into non-poverty. It's a pretty big reason people turn to crime.
I don't disagree, seeing someone's life ruined by a lousy upbringing is tragic.

But even if I don't blame that person for being the way they are, the problem is that they're still the way they are. It's very likely that Quinn would not have learned to manipulate and exploit others if she was raised by Neil instead of Rox, but in the end we still have to deal with the Quinn who grew up learning to manipulate and exploit. Even if she's capable of changing with the help of others, it's going to a slow process and she's going to be a nasty piece of work in the meantime.

Can Quinn change? I certainly hope so. But the evidence so far isn't good. While it's cliche to say Quinn needs to want to change, it's nonetheless true. And right now, Quinn absolutely wants to stay the way she is. It's not like Quinn has never been offered kindness before. The HOTs treated her as a friend, and we've seen how she responded. Tommy likewise considered her his closest friend and even offered to be her fall guy should it ever come to that. Yet when Tommy called her out on her fuckup at the prep party, Quinn immediately lashed out and utterly dismissed his criticism. Even when he returned and apologized for his mistake, she still refused to admit she had been anything but 100% in the right. Kindness only counts in Quinn's eyes so long as it's strictly on her terms; justified criticism is tantamount to betrayal.

And that's why I dislike the Quinn's path thus far. If Quinn is ever going to change, the first step has to be for her to accept that her current attitude is wrong. Yet Quinn's path is all about validating her choices: not just being a DIK, but do drugs with her, never take someone's side against her, and back off the moment she doesn't want to hear something. I don't think Quinn's ever going to change if we act that way.

If there's a way to help Quinn without being on her path, I'll certainly try to take it. But there's only so much I can do when Quinn herself is dead set against it.

(And just to be clear, my distaste for Quinn is not the same as distaste for her as a character; the game is definitely better for having Quinn in it!)


Your questions are great and you actually sound pretty genuine and amenable to changing your mind on Quinn, which is a nice change from some of the hard line stances people take over the girls in here :KEK: Because Jamie and boop have explained it, I'll also add my thoughts on your specific questions.

Quinn slaps Riona, pimps her out, puts her down by saying her grades couldn't cut it to stay at college, and is basically a terrible friend to her. Despite all that though, I don't think I've ever seen a single person on here claim that Quinn doesn't care about Riona. She does. She lets her smoke their product for free, despite the obvious shit situation they're in, and is clearly looking out for her in the extremely brutal and realistic sense that comes with being involved with drugs and abuse since you were old enough to measure your height with chalk on a wall. Now, you might not subscribe to this explanation of Quinn's behavior at all, and that's perfectly fine. All I'm asking you to do, is to put the really bad actions that Quinn takes during the story, and to contextualize them in another way.

A lot of people who dislike Quinn, maybe most people who dislike her, bring up Quinn slapping Riona as exhibit A for that dislike. That's completely understandable, because if that's how Quinn treats her friends, she can't be a very good person. But the mistake these people are making, in my opinion, is attributing Quinn's slap to malice. It wasn't malice, it was survival. When you're fighting a war, when you're in the trenches, and the guy next to you starts panicking and having doubts, you can't take the risk that they might pop their head up and get their brains blown out. You grab them, and you slap the shit out of them, for their good and yours.

Quinn's fighting a war. She's been fighting a war since she was a kid, as far as we know. Riona's fighting it with her, for reasons we don't know, and we don't know exactly how bad it is, but we do know that she's starting to lose her nerve. Have doubts. Maybe even start to believe she could do well at college and be something else. Quinn can't have that. She's probably seen what happens when people in her business try to get out, especially with an outstanding debt. Quinn needs Riona's head in the fight, for her own good. That's why she slapped her, in my estimation. To remind her things are serious, not out of some sadistic reflex.

That's my own personal view on it anyway, to be read in conjunction with the other explanations of Quinn's behavior from the others. If you can bring yourself to maybe rethink Quinn's motivations for slapping Riona, you might view her other actions in a new light. She really is a great character so it'd be nice if more people took a closer look at her for their own enjoyment of the story at least.
An interesting notion for sure, but I'm afraid I can't agree.

First off, I've never believed Quinn is actually letting Riona smoke for free. I think that was just a lie to justify her behavior to Tommy; you'll note she explicitly asks Tommy not to corroborate the story. If Riona really was smoking off the books there'd be no reason to pretend the shortfall was unexplained back when we first learned about it. After all, if Quinn just wanted to motivate Riona, surely reminding her of her role in the problem would be more effective than slapping her.

Secondly, I can't help but notice that Quinn didn't slap Mona when she lost her nerve. Mona was fighting alongside Quinn too (over Riona's objection no less!), and she was far less calm than Riona. So why did Riona need such drastic action while Mona just got a sob speech and some blackmail?

To me, the key distinction is that Riona flat out defied Quinn whereas Mona was in full obsequious mode. As I said above, Quinn reacts extremely badly to criticism, so I think Quinn just lost her temper when Riona called her a fucking idiot. Mona, despite being physically incapable of keeping any secret, kept apologizing to Quinn and agreeing to do as Quinn asked, so Quinn never felt the need to lash out at her. That's my take, anyway.

As for Quinn really caring about Riona... maybe? The problem is that Quinn is such a self-centered person that it's difficult to tell genuine affection for Riona as a person apart from affection for what Riona represents as a tool. By in large Quinn has no use for Riona's advise and ignored Riona's concerns about being followed; the one time she did listen to Riona was after Riona threatened to quit. I don't think it's fair to say unequivocally that Quinn doesn't care about Riona as a person because we've never seen a situation where Quinn had to deal Riona as a person and not as a tool. But I do feel that every time we've seen Quinn deal with Riona, Quinn's first and foremost concern has always been about herself and not Riona.

To me, that's a far cry from affection. YMMV of course, but I think people looking for hidden depths in Quinn are mistaking potential for reality. Quinn may change someday, but for now I think she is precisely what she appears to be on the surface.
 
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I'd rather be interested in a theory as to why Jill looks like a guy with a wig. Did she send her (so far unmentioned) twin brother on the date because she didn't feel ready for it? :unsure:
Traditionally attractive women tend to have what is considered hyper masculine features as far as models are concerned, Jill is by no means the worst offender of this she just doesn't have a very good ratio.
 
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Even though Jill looks like a man in a wig in this render (it could have been Tybalt, secretly in love with MС), none of the game's love interests did as much for MС as Jill.

1) Jill comforts MС after a difficult breakup with Josy and Maya and helps him forget them

2) Jill organizes two dates for him (a picnic with a horse and apparently a date with rolls). Who the hell of the other girls organized dates?

3) She tries to protect MC after blackmailing Tybalt. It doesn't matter that it's Tybalt's lie, IT's IMPORTANT THAT JILL IS WILLING TO DO IT FOR MC.

She is really a very kind and caring girl. She is also very hot.

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If I met her in real life and there was a choice between her and Josy, I would choose Jill without thinking.

But unfortunately this is a porn game, and in a porn game it is boring and looks bad against the background of other girls.

They usually talk about such girls: "she will make a good wife". Always there when you need it, always supports and helps. Unfortunately, other girls always need something from Tremolo (sex, support), whereas Jill always gives without asking for anything in return. I really appreciate it. But again it's only a fucking porn game. And in my walkthrough, she is an outsider. My MC is not worthy of a nice and caring girl like Jill.
She was willing to use Tybalt before even meeting the MC, I don't think she knows how to care for other people.
 
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Damn! seriously you hate quinn design? I personally feel like it's amazing and unique and she looks so good without her makeup.
What characters do you find attractive in this game?
Maybe Quinn shouldn't be at the bottom but for me it's her hair or makeup that turns me off. Josy and Sage are probably the ones that are more appealing to me.
 
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mmmmh... are you sure about your sexual orientation?...
Not that there is somethig wrong about it...
I might be bi but i've researched this pretty thoroughly. I believe it has something to do with lighting? Obviously I haven't researched it that thoroughly, just enough to try and comfort insecure women but if science is right then pointy bones are a result of high testosterone which is a predominantly male hormone... does that make any sense to you? it's why women tend to have much softer facial (giggity) features like children hence the etymology of terms like 'babe'... I don't see why you should be worried for liking women though if that's what you are worried about. Women also have testosterone just not very much which is why these kinds of 'hot' women are not very common...
 
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Sushi in what appears to be a house (rather than a restaurant). I wonder... is Jill is trying to upstage Josy and offer the MC her own homecooked meal? He did mention that back on their first date (though not specifically that it was with Josy).

I also wonder who posted this. If it's the MC, that might indicate the interminable blackmail plot is finally over Which would definitely be grounds to party!

Still, can't get too carried away. Need to stay calm while we wait patiently. :cautious:



Nah, my money's on Bella.



I don't disagree, seeing someone's life ruined by a lousy upbringing is tragic.

But even if I don't blame that person for being the way they are, the problem is that they're still the way they are. It's very likely that Quinn would not have learned to manipulate and exploit others if she was raised by Neil instead of Rox, but in the end we still have to deal with the Quinn who grew up learning to manipulate and exploit. Even if she's capable of changing with the help of others, it's going to a slow process and she's going to be a nasty piece of work in the meantime.

Can Quinn change? I certainly hope so. But the evidence so far isn't good. While it's cliche to say Quinn needs to want to change, it's nonetheless true. And right now, Quinn absolutely wants to stay the way she is. It's not like Quinn has never been offered kindness before. The HOTs treated her as a friend, and we've seen how she responded. Tommy likewise considered her his closest friend and even offered to be her fall guy should it ever come to that. Yet when Tommy called her out on her fuckup at the prep party, Quinn immediately lashed out and utterly dismissed his criticism. Even when he returned and apologized for his mistake, she still refused to admit she had been anything but 100% in the right. Kindness only counts in Quinn's eyes so long as it's strictly on her terms; justified criticism is tantamount to betrayal.

And that's why I dislike the Quinn's path thus far. If Quinn is ever going to change, the first step has to be for her to accept that her current attitude is wrong. Yet Quinn's path is all about validating her choices: not just being a DIK, but do drugs with her, never take someone's side against her, and back off the moment she doesn't want to hear something. I don't think Quinn's ever going to change if we act that way.

If there's a way to help Quinn without being on her path, I'll certainly try to take it. But there's only so much I can do when Quinn herself is dead set against it.

(And just to be clear, my distaste for Quinn is not the same as distaste for her as a character; the game is definitely better for having Quinn in it!)



An interesting notion for sure, but I'm afraid I can't agree.

First off, I've never believed Quinn is actually letting Riona smoke for free. I think that was just a lie to justify her behavior to Tommy; you'll note she explicitly asks Tommy not to corroborate the story. If Riona really was smoking off the books there'd be no reason to pretend the shortfall was unexplained back when we first learned about it. After all, if Quinn just wanted to motivate Riona, surely reminding her of her role in the problem would be more effective than slapping her.

Secondly, I can't help but notice that Quinn didn't slap Mona when she lost her nerve. Mona was fighting alongside Quinn too (over Riona's objection no less!), and she was far less calm than Riona. So why did Riona need such drastic action while Mona just got a sob speech and some blackmail?

To me, the key distinction is that Riona flat out defied Quinn whereas Mona was in full obsequious mode. As I said above, Quinn reacts extremely badly to criticism, so I think Quinn just lost her temper when Riona called her a fucking idiot. Mona, despite being physically incapable of keeping any secret, kept apologizing to Quinn and agreeing to do as Quinn asked, so Quinn never felt the need to lash out at her. That's my take, anyway.

As for Quinn really caring about Riona... maybe? The problem is that Quinn is such a self-centered person that it's difficult to tell genuine affection for Riona as a person apart from affection for what Riona represents as a tool. By in large Quinn has no use for Riona's advise and ignored Riona's concerns about being followed; the one time she did listen to Riona was after Riona threatened to quit. I don't think it's fair to say unequivocally that Quinn doesn't care about Riona as a person because we've never seen a situation where Quinn had to deal Riona as a person and not as a tool. But I do feel that every time we've seen Quinn deal with Riona, Quinn's first and foremost concern has always been about herself and not Riona.

To me, that's a far cry from affection. YMMV of course, but I think people looking for hidden depths in Quinn are mistaking potential for reality. Quinn may change someday, but for now I think she is precisely what she appears to be on the surface.

Partially a shitpost here, but maybe Quinn slapped Riona because they're closer, and the closer someone is, the worse the feeling of betrayal? Maybe Quinn doesn't handle her initial gut reaction as easily as she pretends? Just an alternative thought.
 

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I might be bi but i've researched this pretty thoroughly. I believe it has something to do with lighting? Obviously I haven't researched it that thoroughly, just enough to try and comfort insecure women but if science is right then pointy bones are a result of high testosterone which is a predominantly male hormone... does that make any sense to you? it's why women tend to have much softer facial (giggity) features like children hence the etymology of terms like 'babe'... I don't see why you should be worried for liking women though if that's what you are worried about. Women also have testosterone just not very much which is why these kinds of 'hot' women are not very common...
Well, seems that you really thought about this issue. It's just that your conclusion is contra-intuitive. That doesnt mean is wrong of course. I thought that soft faces were a tipical femenine trait.
But then again, if the issue is comforting womans about beauty... any girl with make up and a nice dress is model material. I remember i had a crush on Ygritte of Game of Thrones until someone point to me it was a boy. And she had a point, still a beautifull girl.
 
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