VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[ename144]

Naaah…

The only thing I’ll concede is that we’ve had too long to stew over it.

Well, at least we have *some* common ground!

The bit about Maya (in episode 5) being open to no strings attached after the throuple was formed: That was like at the end of the second week of college. He'd literally only known Maya for two weeks, so committing to her and Josy at that point would have been a little premature.

Normally I'd agree with you, but normal rules just won't cut it when you ask two girls to form a throuple with you. At that point I think you either take the combined relationship seriously or you ask for a threesome and expect nothing further. Obviously the M&J path isn't interested in a quick threesome so I was rather surprised when I realized DPC expected the MC to be throupling "casually."

Granted, this is not a problem I've had to deal with in real life (much less when I was still in college), but I like to think I'd have handled it with at least a smidgeon of foresight if it had.

You'll have to refresh my memory about the conflict between Jill and Bella in episode 7. If you're talking about Bella calling her naïve and all that, I didn't see that as a big deal, otherwise Bella was just trying to help Jill minimise the pain of dating Tybalt in that episode (and timewise, both of them had only known the mc for 4 or 5 weeks at that point).

I'm referring to the doubles tennis. The MC will work with Bella to help save Jill from Tybalt, then go right back to pressuring Bella to give up the goods (ugh), then decide to climb Jill's balcony that night to declare his undying love. I'm sorry, but even Quinn's denial couldn't repel a hint of that magnitude. If the implications of that day didn't prompt the MC to introspect, there's no way he'd be phased by Bella giving Jill a hug after her stage debut.

I can't really sugar-coat the Sage drama. The mc was happy to fuck her while she was angry that her boyfriend was cheating on her, and the mc even kept hinting that she should dump Chad and move on. Then he goes all rebound snowflake when she and Chad are over.

The only thing that gives the rebound reaction any traction is that it wasn't Sage who did the dumping; in the end Chad dumped her and she took it hard, and then she wanted to jump into the mc's arms. This wasn't the scenario the mc was looking for.

Maybe I kinda get it even... If Sage had dumped Chad for the mc, that would be a positive. But Sage only got interested in a relationship with the mc after she got dumped. Rebound alarm bells!

Looking at that scene, right before they start sparring, the mc says to Sage:

mc: "I understand what you went through...or what you're going through."​

mc: "Break-ups are tough."​

So when Sage starts kissing him and looking to get physical after the sparring session, the mc is like, "Hang on, you probably need to take step back, I'm not just here as second best after Chad dumps you..."

So yeah, it wasn't what the reader wanted right then and there, but was it ridiculous that the mc behaved that way? Not really...

Maybe...

Well, that's certainly a valiant effort. I salute you!

And regarding all the casual sex, as long as it was casual, the mc didn't have a problem with it. At the crossroads the mc was more concerned about the more-than-casual relationships. He knew he wasn't hurting the likes of Mel, Sarah, Riona, Cammy etc by randomly hooking up with them. But he was concerned with hurting the girls that he was getting in too deep with. And that also works with taking the "others" option. He didn't want to get into a serious relationship with any of the girls, so he chose path that lead away from that.

Fair enough, and had DPC done a more consistent job of showing the LIs suffering under the lack of decision I could go along with it. But as is I don't think that was well conveyed. The LIs had too many scenes where they didn't seem concerned by the competition, and some of the side-girls (most obviously Nicole) seemed a little to into the MC to believe they'd shrug it off if he ended things.

The idea is valid, but the execution was lacking.

And regarding the mc's panicked response to Sage's parents being the Burkes. Even the most benign path is complicated (i.e. he was on the receiving end of Jade's very unprofessional behaviour towards him - basically sexual harassment if it was unwanted). So the mc panicked, sure, he hadn't done anything wrond, but doesn't make it any less awkward.

Sorry, not buying this for a second. The MC has been dealing with Jade for a full season after he rejected her - including when she caught him at the ANO party. She obviously has no love for him, but she also obviously doesn't have any axe to grind. The idea that the MC was afraid of Jade is patently ridiculous, an after-the-fact explanation attempting to justify DPC's unforgivable laziness.

And Zoey. This is the best time for her to arrive and fuck shit up! I'm happy for shit to get real.

No, this is definitely the worst time for Zoey to return, but I'm sure no one wants me to rehash that argument yet again. Let's agree to disagree.

My opinion is definitely stemmed from the fact that I don't care specifically about any of the LIs. I mean, I enjoy all their content, but it's not like I'm hanging out for the continuation or enhancement of any relationships in particular. I'm just enjoying the ride.

I can respect that attitude, but I still think there were better routes to use for this ride.

 

[allanl9020142]

Uh yea idk. I just would like to play the game at this point. I could really use the escapism right about now.

 

[ffive]

Normally I'd agree with you, but normal rules just won't cut it when you ask two girls to form a throuple with you. At that point I think you either take the combined relationship seriously or you ask for a threesome and expect nothing further. Obviously the M&J path isn't interested in a quick threesome so I was rather surprised when I realized DPC expected the MC to be throupling "casually."

My reading of that is, it's both girls (especially Maya) who don't want to immediately start a serious relationship with some boy they've really known for very short time and who potentially fucked each of them behind the other's back. They like him enough to want to give this a try, but whatever attachment there is at this point, it's on very surface level compared to the pairing they have. The MC is being put on probation so to speak, and it's his behavior while he's said to have a free reign, that's ultimately going to decide whether this evolves into something more.

 

[felicemastronzo]

And regarding the mc's panicked response to Sage's parents being the Burkes. Even the most benign path is complicated (i.e. he was on the receiving end of Jade's very unprofessional behaviour towards him - basically sexual harassment if it was unwanted). So the mc panicked, sure, he hadn't done anything wrond, but doesn't make it any less awkward.

the problem is not panic, but that the reaction is identical from a situation of simple surprise to that of preamble to a nuclear disaster. react in the same way when faced with a burned-out dinner or one's house on fire with the family inside. if this is not laziness...

DPC itself then tries to patch it up in the interlude by modulating the reaction.

 

[beef-devourer]

Sorry, not buying this for a second. The MC has been dealing with Jade for a full season after he rejected her - including when she caught him at the ANO party. She obviously has no love for him, but she also obviously doesn't have any axe to grind. The idea that the MC was afraid of Jade is patently ridiculous, an after-the-fact explanation attempting to justify DPC's unforgivable laziness.


No, this is definitely the worst time for Zoey to return, but I'm sure no one wants me to rehash that argument yet again. Let's agree to disagree.

By the way, who do you think is some sort of Leah reincarnation in BADIK and what are your reasons for thinking so?
I bet on Jade. Alfred the Fallen made a guess about Magnar. Somebody definitely spies on Tremolo - remember that creepy night scene with flickering lampposts in Ep6.

Jade wanted to expel Chad back in Ep 3 and went angry when Stephen sided with Cathy in the end. If you give away Chad's secret to Sage in Ep8, she says "Mom [Jade] was right". It appears Jade has known Chad's secret the whole time. Yet, blackmailing the jocks makes no sense for Stephen and Quinn as it can jeopardize their illegal business.

 

[ffive]

If you give away Chad's secret to Sage in Ep8, she says "Mom [Jade] was right". It appears Jade has known Chad's secret the whole time.

I suspect it was more along the lines of Sage trying to confide her relationship trouble and Jade suggesting that maybe he's not interested in Sage because he's gay.

 

[citizenofncc]

 

[beef-devourer]

I suspect it was more along the lines of Sage trying to confide her relationship trouble and Jade suggesting that maybe he's not interested in Sage because he's gay.

I don't rule it out, but her insistence to expel Chad and subsequent irritation, because she failed, seem suspicious.
Nonetheless, the question remains valid: who could be the ultimate villain in charge for that prostitution free tuition drug ring?

DPC loves to subvert expectations of the players and fill his story with red herrings. I believe neither Stephen nor Vinny are primary antagonists. If projecting DPC's stunts from Acting lessons onto BADIK, the main foe should be a character we directly interact with and highly likely a broad.

 

[Lurcher1]

Laugh if it was Magnar who was the mastermind behind all the shady business

Also, anyone got any theories on how this girl will play out:



She's on the preview banner and she's appeared a few times in Ep7 and Ep8

 

[Lovetities]

Laugh if it was Magnar who was the mastermind behind all the shady business

Also, anyone got any theories on how this girl will play out:

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She's on the preview banner and she's appeared a few times in Ep7 and Ep8

She is the new Areith, or a drug addict. She have sex with people for money. We saw her in devil threesome with the nerds and then we saw her buying from riona. I think Vixens arc is gonna be about Mc getting into drugs (including coke), also Quinn probably didn't sold the coke yet.

 

[ffive]

I don't rule it out, but her insistence to expel Chad and subsequent irritation, because she failed, seem suspicious.

I think this was simply because technically Chad has severely beat up another student, which is a criminal offense so expelling him would be the least thing to do.

Alternatively, i suppose we could have a theory that Jade had tried to hit on Chad herself at some point, got turned down, and that's why she was both sore about it and suspecting him to be gay. :v

 

[beef-devourer]

Alternatively, i suppose we could have a theory that Jade had tried to hit on Chad herself at some point, got turned down, and that's why she was both sore about it and suspecting him to be gay. :v

This makes up another item for the questionnaire: why does Jade not tolerate Chad? I have not a clue.

Laugh if it was Magnar who was the mastermind behind all the shady business

Also, anyone got any theories on how this girl will play out:

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She's on the preview banner and she's appeared a few times in Ep7 and Ep8

Magnar might be an associate but not the mastermind who certainly belongs in or is somehow interrelated with the B&R senior staff.

As for this chick, she looks even more suspicious than Nick. Damn, how can we speculate about who this vixen is, when we do not exactly know what is going on in the story now.

I wouldn't even write Arieth off of the suspects list. Do you remember the Doofy twist in Scary movie?

 

[znar25]

I'm going with 18th-20th Dec

Obligatory....

 

[shazba]

Normally I'd agree with you, but normal rules just won't cut it when you ask two girls to form a throuple with you. At that point I think you either take the combined relationship seriously or you ask for a threesome and expect nothing further. Obviously the M&J path isn't interested in a quick threesome so I was rather surprised when I realized DPC expected the MC to be throupling "casually."

I guess when the throuple starts with everyone crying and shit and apologising for cheating and then forgiving each other, going off to fuck others isn't the best option (but most importantly, it was still an option )

I'm referring to the doubles tennis. The MC will work with Bella to help save Jill from Tybalt, then go right back to pressuring Bella to give up the goods (ugh), then decide to climb Jill's balcony that night to declare his undying love. I'm sorry, but even Quinn's denial couldn't repel a hint of that magnitude. If the implications of that day didn't prompt the MC to introspect, there's no way he'd be phased by Bella giving Jill a hug after her stage debut.

I'm going with "he was thinking with his dick". It's the post nut clarity that fucks you every time!

Fair enough, and had DPC done a more consistent job of showing the LIs suffering under the lack of decision I could go along with it. But as is I don't think that was well conveyed. The LIs had too many scenes where they didn't seem concerned by the competition, and some of the side-girls (most obviously Nicole) seemed a little to into the MC to believe they'd shrug it off if he ended things.

I don't think it was a case of the mc could see he was fucking them up already and needed to do something. It was more of a case that he realised if he took it further with all of them it would be fucked. He was starting to get serious with all of them. That's just asking to get castrated in the long run.

Sorry, not buying this for a second. The MC has been dealing with Jade for a full season after he rejected her - including when she caught him at the ANO party. She obviously has no love for him, but she also obviously doesn't have any axe to grind. The idea that the MC was afraid of Jade is patently ridiculous, an after-the-fact explanation attempting to justify DPC's unforgivable laziness.

When the mc stopped Jade from giving him the footjob she threatened him:

Jade: "You should spend the time left in this class reading and be {b}quiet{/b}..."​

Jade: "That way I might not fail you..."​

In other words: "You tell anyone about this and you're fucked". Of course she had way more to lose than him.

When she sees him at the prep party her reaction is:

Jade: "Hmph..."​

I believe the next time she spoke to him directly was when she gave him a passing grade, and she was extremely curt:

Jade: "Fuckface. Pass. Next."​

So sure, he kept his head down and put that shit behind him, but then to find out it's his good friend/girlfriend's mom! I mean, put yourself in his shoes. You're off to meet your (girl)friend's parents, only to find out the mom is a teacher who sexually assaulted you... Sure it's a porn game, we want teachers (at least the female ones) to sexually assault the mc, but if we're trying to find reasons for behaviour, what Jade did was really fucked up.

And once again, we've had an entire fucking year to let all that sink in. The mc walked into it and suddenly when he realised it was Jade, he panicked. He went there to help Maya out and suddenly it looks like it's gonna be very awkward.

That's an OK reaction in my book.

But what comes next matters more.

We know the mc locks himself in the bathroom, and its independent of all of his relationships: Worst case he's been fucking both and has recently dumped one, if not both of them. Even this situation is salvageable. Jade's not about to let on that she's been doing anything with the mc, so the only problem is how will Jade/Stephen react if Sage lets on that the mc is her boyfriend. Jade might not be too pleased, but she isn't gonna do anything right then and there.

And the best case is the mc hasn't been fooling around with anyone. This just means Jade sexually assaulted him in class but it's all water under the bridge. Jade's not gonna say or do anything about it. And no one else knows about it. So other than the mc panicking, the situation shouldn't escalate.

So while the mc does panic, and I do think it's an OK reaction under any of the potential circumstances, the drama that comes next will make or break this scene for me. Of course with the mc hiding in the bathroom shitting himself, he's already making the situation worse. But this is the same guy who lost his shit when he found out Maya and Josy were a couple. So no big surprise there.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

I think this was simply because technically Chad has severely beat up another student, which is a criminal offense so expelling him would be the least thing to do.

Alternatively, i suppose we could have a theory that Jade had tried to hit on Chad herself at some point, got turned down, and that's why she was both sore about it and suspecting him to be gay. :v

I also have another idea. College authorities has spies in the student communities. After all, someone planted compromising photos of Chad, where he was seen with Troy. Perhaps behind this are Burke, or rather Stephen.

 

[beef-devourer]

I also have another idea. College authorities has spies in the student communities. After all, someone planted compromising photos of Chad, where he was seen with Troy. Perhaps behind this are Burke, or rather Stephen.

But what are his motivation and benefits to blackmail the jocks? Does this unwanted turmoil not put in risk his shady business?

 

[anonnyscouse]

But what are his motivation and benefits to blackmail the jocks? Does this unwanted turmoil not put in risk his shady business?

If you believe Burke is behind Quinn's restaurant business (which makes sense as he provides the tuition that's offered to the girls then Chad's not using his business (for obvious reasons) but other jocks are. Having a restaurant customer as a president of the fraternity would be more helpful for his business than having someone who would have no reason to help keep the business a secret. It also explains why the vice-president (now acting president) Dawe was also being targeted by the blackmail, he struggles to get it up so probably isn't using the restaurant either.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

But what are his motivation and benefits to blackmail the jocks? Does this unwanted turmoil not put in risk his shady business?

We don't know exactly why he does this, because Burke's role in this story is not fully understood. Is he just Harvey Wahnstein, or is his dark deeds much more serious? Unknown.
I can only say that blackmail is a good way to keep a person under control.

 

[ffive]

The whole blackmail thing was total amateur hour anyway, given the recipients completely failed to figure out who was mailing them and for what reason. It's not exactly what you want to achieve when you blackmail someone.

 

[beef-devourer]

If you believe Burke is behind Quinn's restaurant business (which makes sense as he provides the tuition that's offered to the girls then Chad's not using his business (for obvious reasons) but other jocks are. Having a restaurant customer as a president of the fraternity would be more helpful for his business than having someone who would have no reason to help keep the business a secret. It also explains why the vice-president (now acting president) Dawe was also being targeted by the blackmail, he struggles to get it up so probably isn't using the restaurant either.

There is a good logic in your reasoning. I suspect that Jade is involved in this enterprise either and she might be the mastermind like Leah was the main fiend in Acting Lessons. Currently all arrows point to Stephen, but it's too obvious, thus he is unlikely to be the chief - DPC always strives to confuse us and subvert our expectations.

If you have any other candidates for the mastermind post, I'd gladly hear your side.

The whole blackmail thing was total amateur hour anyway, given the recipients completely failed to figure out who was mailing them and for what reason. It's not exactly what you want to achieve when you blackmail someone.

Basically blackmail in this form is used to force someone into doing certain things. This blackmail sequence looks like a pure intimidation, like if the blackmailer wants the jocks to stop doing specific activities.