VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[dalli_x]

It's not an immediate insight, but it's not that prohibitive

MC warns (or at any rate can always warn) Maya of the danger posed by Quinn, to assume that Mona was in the same danger seems to me a fairly likely inference.

When he meets Camila at the ANO party she tells him first that:

cam "Mona wanted to leave, but we're not allowed to before it's over."
mc "Where's she now?"
cam "She's off doing a thing..

then they see Mona escape from a room where Burke is. it is not 1+1 but it is 15896/37, with pen and paper you get there



I reviewed the dialogue, actually she doesn't talk about adults, only that for a handsome and equipped guy like MC she makes an exception, I was misremembering

cam "She's off doing a thing.."

This could be anything or nothing. To be honest, I think it was so that Stephen Burke would follow up on the rumors that were in the papers later in EP8 and that's why he brought Mona in. She agreed to go along with it up to a certain limit, but the line was crossed. Stephen Burke might have asked her to cross that line, she didn't want to and runs out of the room saying so she doesn't do that.

Derek said right away in EP1 to the MC if he is not surprised that there is so much security on campus. Only the dean, Stephen Burke can make that happen. So why would he provide more security personnel if he is associated with prostitution. That would be counterproductive.

 

[vogelbeest]

I said it too that he can, but if he can it means that he knows anyway, there is no MC, in any multiverse, who doesn't know that Quinn is dangerous and running girls to make money
and that's regardless of Maya, Maya has nothing to do with it.

Knowing that, and listening to Camila, MC has all he needs to figure out what might have happened to Mona, then he may not give a damn about Mona and focus on the girls he can still screw, but to say he has no clue is false

I never said he has no clue at all or he sees it all clearly. There's plenty of hints in the game, but alot only visable for the player or on certain paths the MC may or may not take.
Treating the fact he saw Mona and Burke leaving a room is only helpful as part of a total of several things happening and only for reconstructing a theory as to why Mona left. But no proof comes from it, only speculations.
Without Mona telling her story to the papers or as witness/victim it's hardly useful against Burke...

The MC can have some ideas about Quinn, but his suspicions towards Quinn aren't very concrete. Quinn is a bitch, gets him tasered, offers prostitution and drugs but Quinn never promises him free tuition nor does she tell him anything that might make him come to any conclusion. MC can get some info from others like Camilla but he knows nobody will go against Quinn...
The main problem is the more corrupted the MC is, the more info is available to him, and the less he can use it...

The whole crux is the connection of Burke and Quinn based on free tuition for sex, there's just hear-say and speculations now.
The ones that know don't speak openly.... Sure, MC can warn Maya but he's going with her to the meeting with Burke...
He can't proof anything, doesn't really know enough, has a bad feeling about it, but also has his trust in Sage...

 

[The_Hat]

I'm on my first playthrough of this and thoroughly enjoying the story but I've just got to the scene where Bella shows MC Cathy's panties. I've read why that happens in this thread but I have not triggered that. There was no BJ in the car taking Cathy home, I've nothing in her bio about it and no unlocked scene for it. I did swipe up on Cathy on the app once but nothing else. I saw a few reports of this and guess its a bug but any Ideas if I can fix this please?

I don't have any mods installed but if I can edit a file to change the outcome great. I don't really want you start again or go back to an earlier save as I've no idea where it's gone wrong and I was enjoying the Bella route.

Any help will be much appreciated.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I never said he has no clue at all or he sees it all clearly. There's plenty of hints in the game, but alot only visable for the player or on certain paths the MC may or may not take.
Treating the fact he saw Mona and Burke leaving a room is only helpful as part of a total of several things happening and only for reconstructing a theory as to why Mona left. But no proof comes from it, only speculations.
Without Mona telling her story to the papers or as witness/victim it's hardly useful against Burke...

The MC can have some ideas about Quinn, but his suspicions towards Quinn aren't very concrete. Quinn is a bitch, gets him tasered, offers prostitution and drugs but Quinn never promises him free tuition nor does she tell him anything that might make him come to any conclusion. MC can get some info from others like Camilla but he knows nobody will go against Quinn...
The main problem is the more corrupted the MC is, the more info is available to him, and the less he can use it...

The whole crux is the connection of Burke and Quinn based on free tuition for sex, there's just hear-say and speculations now.
The ones that know don't speak openly.... Sure, MC can warn Maya but he's going with her to the meeting with Burke...
He can't proof anything, doesn't really know enough, has a bad feeling about it, but also has his trust in Sage...

but there is no need to know Burke's role (which we don't know either), just consider him a client

1) Quinn has a group of prostitutes and this MC knows, he may not know exactly who they are and what services they offer, but he does know
2) Camila is one of them, he doesn't necessarily know this explicitly, but it is very likely that at the very least she will propose to him (just ask her in the previous episode to help him with Hells Week with outdoor sex)
3) he knows that Mona would like to leave but Quinn makes her stay at the ANO party.
4) Mona escapes from a room from which Burke then also emerges with a very embarrassed face
5) Mona disappears from the BR a few days later.

Getting to the idea that Burke was a client is a legitimate suspicion.

if it were Maya instead of Mona, would he have the slightest doubt that it was Quinn's fault for pushing her to do something she didn't want to do?

 

[vogelbeest]

but there is no need to know Burke's role (which we don't know either), just consider him a client

1) Quinn has a group of prostitutes and this MC knows, he may not know exactly who they are and what services they offer, but he does know
2) Camila is one of them, he doesn't necessarily know this explicitly, but it is very likely that at the very least she will propose to him (just ask her in the previous episode to help him with Hells Week with outdoor sex)
3) he knows that Mona would like to leave but Quinn makes her stay at the ANO party.
4) Mona escapes from a room from which Burke then also emerges with a very embarrassed face
5) Mona disappears from the BR a few days later.

Getting to the idea that Burke was a client is a legitimate suspicion.

Not really, the only fact is MC seen Burke and Mona leaving a room, he knows Quinn offers the restaurant but depending on his choice that can be just that fact without any further knowledge at all.

You make the connection Quinn offers sexual services so Burke is a client because he's seen with Mona...
There's no proof at all, just assumptions, Mona could have told but she didn't that's the whole problem, she's gone...

 

[felicemastronzo]

Not really, the only fact is MC seen Burke and Mona leaving a room, he knows Quinn offers the restaurant but depending on his choice that can be just that fact without any further knowledge at all.

You make the connection Quinn offers sexual services so Burke is a client because he's seen with Mona...
There's no proof at all, just assumptions, Mona could have told but she didn't that's the whole problem, she's gone...

what wouldn't be true?
except point 2, they are all universal facts

I talked about suspicion

 

[NebulousShooter]

Didn't the MC overhear Quinn and Camila talking in the very 1st episode? Or do you have to click on her door, because I have the feeling that he knows Camila is part of the restaurant no matter how you play him?

On the grand scheme of things, of course we have no direct proof, where would be the conflict in the game if that was the case, but at what point enough circumstantial evidence is enough? Because the MC knows more than enough to put two and two, its not like he is on Dawe and Arieth level of retardation, no matter how daft he appears. And with the Maya 'warning' its 100% clear he knows whats going on, he just inexplicably hides details of what he knows...The only thing holding him from 'connecting the dots' is DPC's cheap drama fetish, same with Sage parentage.

I hope no more eyerolling, horribly set up cliffhangers in this episode, its getting tiresome.

 

[vogelbeest]

what wouldn't be true?
except point 2, they are all universal facts

I talked about suspicion

Suspicion is just suspicion, even the MC knows you're innocent until proven guilty without any doubt...
MC has some minor leads, has some info from people who are involved so will likely never confirm their story...
But without Mona telling her story he just doesn't have enough to go beyond assumptions...
There's smoke so there's probably a fire, but for now the smoke only prevents a clear view where...

 

[felicemastronzo]

Suspicion is just suspicion, even the MC knows you're innocent until proven guilty without any doubt...
MC has some minor leads, has some info from people who are involved so will likely never confirm their story...
But without Mona telling her story he just doesn't have enough to go beyond assumptions...
There's smoke so there's probably a fire, but for now the smoke only prevents a clear view where...

then I didn't explain myself. my point was never that: it was to say whether MC had the elements available to him to understand what is going on around him, but if nothing arouses even the slightest suspicion in him it is a hopeless undertaking, but he would have all the elements

only if he were inside the room with Burke and Mona could he have absolute certainty ... Even if Mona tells him, she could still be lying
there is some difference between understanding what is going on and witnessing it, even Arieth inside the room would understand it

 

[GreenArow]

what does the update parch do for s1 and s2?

 

[jak1165]

DPC finna Mass Effect 3 himself. Too many variables to wonder about

 

[Lord Bradley]

By the way, it would be great if a black girl joined HOTs next semester, don't you think? There are black people in the game already, but no cutie in HOTs? That's a damn shame

 

[walker188]

DPC finna Mass Effect 3 himself. Too many variables to wonder about

No. Mass Effect 3 didn't even try to use variables. DPC has already done more to make our choices count Bioware ever did.

I will be on my deathbed decades from now (more like a few years from now ), still fucking salty about that ending.

 

[Assman_6969]

Anyone else fantasizing about a spin-off to this game? Perhaps a prequel where you play as a younger Isabella?

HELL NO!
The entire reason this game is one of the best is for the Original game and I'm almost positive that if asked 9 of 10 people either playing or has played and got to end of Ep.8 DO NOT LIKE Zoey and the poor timing of the Interlude. Up to this point there was NO need for her to be involved further than where we learned she was a past hook up for mc and I really was wondering why do that after forcing the "PICK A GIRL" Choice as well. If she was brought into the game now and was gonna shake it all up like some seem to think I think now was not the right time. There are far too many Girls now to pick which ones to have fun with and 100% Certainly are far better than Zoey IMO. I know she has a tiny and I mean a very tiny few that do like and want her invovled but REALLY, WHY, No I am for real, WHY? No Thanks, I am good with my few playthroughs with my Main one where I am ALL IN w SAGE and never would trade her for Zoey hahaha Hell NAW! My 2nd P/T is one I hope continues to grow into more of whats been great so far and thats with Nicole/Envy. She is more and more making a case to swoop her up and making her yours and fuck it if she is a stripper, she is not trashy, and very mature since she's ONE OF the good single mom's who are a real mom and not a hoe who pawns her kid off and is out being a slut every other time she can. She mentions her kid all the time and is by far one othe top 3 best lookin li's for sure.
What I am getting at is simple, You don't fix what isn't broken and the Game Being A Dik is and has been one, if not the best game to have been made so far but this past decision for the Interlude was not a good choice and probably won't matter much with how it was not a big hit or any hit with it's fans of the game!
It is far past time for Ep.9 and to this year long wait of a halloween bash and hopefully the best update up to date so far! Zoey can fuck back off and go find herself alone and we can get back to ASS N TITTIES and a whole lot of PARTY TIME

 

[dalli_x]

I never said he has no clue at all or he sees it all clearly. There's plenty of hints in the game, but alot only visable for the player or on certain paths the MC may or may not take.
Treating the fact he saw Mona and Burke leaving a room is only helpful as part of a total of several things happening and only for reconstructing a theory as to why Mona left. But no proof comes from it, only speculations.
Without Mona telling her story to the papers or as witness/victim it's hardly useful against Burke...

The MC can have some ideas about Quinn, but his suspicions towards Quinn aren't very concrete. Quinn is a bitch, gets him tasered, offers prostitution and drugs but Quinn never promises him free tuition nor does she tell him anything that might make him come to any conclusion. MC can get some info from others like Camilla but he knows nobody will go against Quinn...
The main problem is the more corrupted the MC is, the more info is available to him, and the less he can use it...

The whole crux is the connection of Burke and Quinn based on free tuition for sex, there's just hear-say and speculations now.
The ones that know don't speak openly.... Sure, MC can warn Maya but he's going with her to the meeting with Burke...
He can't proof anything, doesn't really know enough, has a bad feeling about it, but also has his trust in Sage...

Sometimes you don't have to prove anything, but just scatter doubts to make the corresponding people curious.

Jade already insinuates in EP3 Stephen so that he fucks with female students. If Jade would learn that the MC saw Stephen with Mona, that will make Jade curious.

 

[Naczin]

Hey fellas, I was a little off for a while... So, how is the game going ? Is the new season out ? BTW I am new here, so please bear with me if I make some mistakes, don't really know how this works

 

[jak1165]

No. Mass Effect 3 didn't even try to use variables. DPC has already done more to make our choices count Bioware ever did.

I will be on my deathbed decades from now (more like a few years from now ), still fucking salty about that ending.

That was more or less my point. All the potential storybeats from the Restaurant alone would be overwhelming, especially since you can refuse to interact with it all it

Mass Effect 3 had notions of non-linearity but it became pretty clear that the writers were forcing the player to feel certain things around the time of the end of the 2nd act

 

[dalli_x]

but there is no need to know Burke's role (which we don't know either), just consider him a client

1) Quinn has a group of prostitutes and this MC knows, he may not know exactly who they are and what services they offer, but he does know
2) Camila is one of them, he doesn't necessarily know this explicitly, but it is very likely that at the very least she will propose to him (just ask her in the previous episode to help him with Hells Week with outdoor sex)
3) he knows that Mona would like to leave but Quinn makes her stay at the ANO party.
4) Mona escapes from a room from which Burke then also emerges with a very embarrassed face
5) Mona disappears from the BR a few days later.

Getting to the idea that Burke was a client is a legitimate suspicion.

if it were Maya instead of Mona, would he have the slightest doubt that it was Quinn's fault for pushing her to do something she didn't want to do?

But what if I don't think of Stephen Burke as a customer, but as what he is? The Dean of B&R. In EP6, we learn that Mona asked someone for sex in exchange for money.

The whole thing is very contradictory because if she asked Stephen for sex, why does he have her on his radar if he doesn't allow prostitution on his campus.

I'm assuming that Mona independently asked someone for sex for money at the party without Quinn's consent. With whom? Geoff. A Royce or a Burgermeister. He wants to talk to four other people that night. Among them is Stephen Burke. He then talks to Stephen about it and Stephen goes into it. Stephen talks to Mona and asks her about sex. Mona leaves the room because she doesn't want to fuck a guy like Stephen. Still, Stephen has his confirmation that Mona wanted to sell sex to Geoff.

Before Mona leaves, she talks to Stephen again and reveals so Quinn has the restaurant.

 

[OFT]

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I'm not entirely sure what all that said, but maybe I disagree?

Except for the ASS N TITTIES part.

 

[walker188]

Anyone else fantasizing about a spin-off to this game? Perhaps a prequel where you play as a younger Isabella?

No?

I really like Isabella. Still trying to figure out if she's a friend, mentor, lover or all three. But

That was more or less my point. All the potential storybeats from the Restaurant alone would be overwhelming, especially since you can refuse to interact with it all it

Mass Effect 3 had notions of non-linearity but it became pretty clear that the writers were forcing the player to feel certain things around the time of the end of the 2nd act

The problem Bioware had was that their writing team forgot the most important rule when creating a branching narrative media.

It doesn't belong to you (the writer).

This runs counter to every other form of writing. When crafting a story, a good writer feels some ownership, some possession of the characters, of the plot. It goes where he commands, does what he feels is best, and as such the themes and ideologies conform to his beliefs.

When you add choice to the equation, this goes out the window. Take Hack- I mean Mac Walters. He's clearly a Liarafucker. Fine, whatever, that's his baby and his choice during his Shepard's runthrough. The problem comes up, that when he became head writer during ME3, he began to push this love interest on EVERYONE. You might have no connection at all to Liara, but every couple minutes, she'd come up to your cabin to have some deep long conversation with you, that frankly had romantic overtones. Hell, during the final goodbyes, she does the Asari version of sex with you and you're supposed to just treat it as a friendly goodbye. It's weird. It could be creative laziness (that probably played a role), but more than likely, Walters simply assumed you either loved his weebo, or tolerated her enough that it didn't matter.

Of course thats just an example. Pulling back, you start to see this sort of thing with grand concepts as well. Saved the Rachni? Too fucking bad, we thought it would be cool to have them as enemies and a Rachni rescue mission. Cerberus is perhaps the most eggregious example of all. They're Chaotic Stupid Evil in ME1. Anti-heroes with bad PR in ME2. Then a Superpower* in ME3.

Again, Bioware needed a human enemy, and they were an easy get, but at the same time it was also that the writers FELT like they belonged in that role. Because that's what they THOUGHT would make a good story.

The problem of course is that a variable narrative gives weight to our CHOICES not narrative themes (at least not as much). So if at the beginning of ME3 we had sided with Cerberus**, we should be killing Alliance soldiers instead. And we can wrangle with the guilt of killing people who think they are just doing what's right. This creates different emotions, it may not hit as hard or resonate, or it may even hit harder. It doesn't tell the audience what to feel, it lets them do that themselves.

This doesn't have to create infinite amounts of work either. The ideal is the create an ILLUSION of choice. Some choices would go no where. Others would fold back into the main narrative. Still others would no choice at all. Arrival had no choice at the end, but it still had emotional weight and gravitas if you TRIED to warn the Batarians.


Check out Detroit: Become Human. It's everything ME promised to be (minus the shooting).


*in a galaxy where their race that they draw ALL of their resources from is BARELY a major power. It would be like if Alberta (Canada) was somehow about to declare independence and subsequently became a rival to the US, EU, Russia and China immediately.

**Because lets be honest, in a galaxy that includes the Salarian STG, Cerberus are the good guys, at least by comparison.