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- Apr 25, 2022
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I would really love for there to be a re-entry on Jill Rejection path, but sadly I don't think that's going to happen. I kind of liked the dialogue with Masked girl on that path where he showed that he's still hung up on her. It doesn't seem all that common in VNs where the MC gets rejected by an LI, and he actually feels shitty after the breakup.Regarding whether we get another shot at any of the main LIs, we don't know for certain if it's truly over yet. I mean Sage suddenly became an option after 6 episodes of rejecting her, so it's hard to tell how final things are at this point. There are still hints at a solo route with at least Josy (not sure about Maya).
So maybe things can be patched up with Jill...
The problem (and it's a good problem in my mind) is the girls don't all follow a formula. They don't feel like they have progression counters. They each have their own arbitrary criteria and potential. With Bella and Jill's routes it feels like reject once and it's over, but then Sage can handle multiple rejections and still come out on top, and then Josy is still pining for the mc after she and Maya did the rejecting.
I like that because it's unique. So many games in this genre are too obvious. And maybe that's what a lot of players prefer, a clear route and progression. But I prefer the applecart to be turned over. I like things happening that I didn't expect but are still plausible, and I like games that don't come across procedural or formulaic.
When the mc ran down to help Jill with her final date with Tybalt and profess his love for her, and she shot him down in flames, I was like, "You fucking cunt!" And I loved that turn of events. It wasn't what I wanted to happen right then and there, but I loved it for how I didn't see it coming, even though it was clear that Jill was cooling off on him (she didn't correct Derek's assertion that they "used" to date, and she told Josy there was this guy she "thought" she liked).
I enjoy this game for what it is. Twists and turns, lots of drama, hilarious nonsense, sexy girls, and well scripted dialogue. It's great escapism, and it's so much better than the rest out there. There are a few good ones emerging, so hopefully DPC gets knocked of his perch by someone even better soon, but I just don't get the difficulty people have with simply accepting the events as they pan out.
That's why the antagonist in AL didn't bother me as much as it did others who felt it came out of nowhere. It didn't come out of nowhere. The character was off from the beginning (I chalked it up to porn game behaviour at first, so I was still blindsided when it went down). And the "big decision" in that game, he could improve on the execution (had the mc struggle to save both and had him weaken due to smoke inhalation and ultimately have to make the same decision), but the outcome was very impactful. People went berserk at him because they didn't want that. Personally I lost interest in the game after that, but that was due to the mc's reaction, not the events themselves.
Mind you, if Vinny just came in and started shooting people, I'm not gonna defend that. It would be wrong for the story.
But back to Jill. No matter how anyone looks at it, how they want to logically look at the way a Chick Jill should have understood the Chick mc's Chick behaviour when he looked after a sick friend. You turn a girl down in a budding relationship who has prepared a picnic for you on your birthday with hopes to give you a lovely surprise. You turn that girl down, and you don't think it's a big deal...
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Though when Jill looks at the picture of MC at the end of EP9 then cuts it up, I think it means that's the end of the road. Notably the only two times when she doesn't cut the picture are on the main Jill branch and the angry jill branch. I think those are the only two branches where the Jill romance continues with or without the extra spice.
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So just to confirm for Bella, Jill, Josy and Maya I need to have a Neutral/Chick affinity (from major choices) or do I need a Neutral/Chick path (from normal actions)?
And how much will kicking the jocks out of the party affect the future of the game?
And how much will kicking the jocks out of the party affect the future of the game?
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- Nov 1, 2017
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For me it does not matter which one to pick, Rena is the best anyway.
- May 17, 2020
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one measure of how well this storyline worked on Jill is the success of Bianca. the reaction was to want to betray her with her best friend in the hopes of getting caught. which is also a pretty fallacious project given how it went with Bella...But back to Jill. No matter how anyone looks at it, how they want to logically look at the way a Chick Jill should have understood the Chick mc's Chick behaviour when he looked after a sick friend. You turn a girl down in a budding relationship who has prepared a picnic for you on your birthday with hopes to give you a lovely surprise. You turn that girl down, and you don't think it's a big deal...
because the point of a storyline should be that I think, to make a character more interesting and possibly more "palatable" (given the type of game). from my point of view it failed in both
however it did make Bianca more interesting and maybe Amelia too (Lana was careful to be buried deep enough), could this be DPC's goal?
no, the only difference is that Jill, like Maya and Josy, automatically close 'Others'.
- Sep 16, 2022
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Because her whole story is a cliché already seen in a thousand of movies, TV shows and even videogames. The gay oppressed by "heteropatriarchy" and conservative people. And that kind of story have a sense and a value in the 50´s when gay people was really oppressed and ridiculed, but not now. In the 2020's and IRL in western countries, is even the opposite. I'm tired of that kind of stories in media, the way Josy and her interact is corny and cheesy as hell, and she doesn't face her problems, just whines and wait that somebody (MC, Sage, Jill) solves for her. So I can't relate with Maya's problems or feel sympathy for her character just because she's gay (or bi, it doesn't matter, her problems are because she's gay), because she's a bad character with a bad story. Right now, it's the opposite. DPC has made her father such an evil character, such a perfect villain, that I'm in Maya's father's team
- Aug 27, 2017
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Sure, because you need to have the same sexuality, race, gender, and everything else as someone else to have sympathy for that person, like it's not that the key of sympathy is feeling for someone else even if you don't understand and/or share their situation completely
- Jul 7, 2017
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It's nice, though, because Maya starts rebelling against her father in EP9 and joins the HOTs.
- Sep 16, 2022
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So far, most of the subplots and branches are somehow related, but it seems that from now on, those branches are going to separate from each other. For example, if you are into Quinn's path, it seems that in the next episode you will be her bodyguard in one of her visits to Buddy, and going get involved directly into her business, and maybe know more about Vinnie, but if you are not, you won't know about that subplot. If you are into Jill's path, probably you will know more about the link between Lynette and the Royces, but if you are not into Jill's path, you'll never go to that picnic and get the photo of Jill with her family's house behind. If you are into Bella's path, at some point you will know what happened with her husband, and probably met him and have a confrontation, but it doesn't seem probable that is going to happen if you are into "other's" path, for example.
Do you think that at the end we'll get all the answers in a single gameplay? Or it will be like different games according the path you follow? For instance, if you are into Quinn's path, you'll know about her subplot and will get an ending according with that, but you'll never know all details of Jill's subplot, since both paths are not compatible.
I think that wouldn't be bad. It would make more interesting to replay the game and get all the answers, and probably those subplots would be better if they were independent stories just loosely connected. It's really difficult to write a story like this one and at the end make that every piece of the puzzle fits together and I'm afraid that DPC is not so good as writer and would try to make them fit with a hammer.
Do you think that at the end we'll get all the answers in a single gameplay? Or it will be like different games according the path you follow? For instance, if you are into Quinn's path, you'll know about her subplot and will get an ending according with that, but you'll never know all details of Jill's subplot, since both paths are not compatible.
I think that wouldn't be bad. It would make more interesting to replay the game and get all the answers, and probably those subplots would be better if they were independent stories just loosely connected. It's really difficult to write a story like this one and at the end make that every piece of the puzzle fits together and I'm afraid that DPC is not so good as writer and would try to make them fit with a hammer.
- Sep 20, 2022
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Well, it's just like you get advice from Josy about /how you should invest your money/, if you're with her and Maya, and you carry that with you, even if you depart from them to be with Jill. If you dont get with them, you miss out on getting that helpful advice.
And, I think if you're with Quinn, you'll probably be forced to use that money on drug deals or whatever. You'll make money that way, but it's risky. You'll make money if you're with Jill for certain (investing in stocks). I wonder though, if you should keep that stuff with Michael under wraps in order to that that nice investment advice, or not?
Coming back to what you're saying, each path as a little something. You can't expect to learn everything about Jill (and your own mom-level history), if you're with Sage. But, even then, they're all going to remain friends that chat. I'm sure you can get by with one girl, but to get the whole story of the different paths, you obviously need to play them. I think DPC is restricting things that way pretty severely.
- Oct 20, 2019
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I'm personally ok with players missing story parts due to LI branching. There are sure to be universal consequences for some paths, but I would much rather prefer players losing out than having it all narrowed down a thin tunnel in end. But seeing how MC's mom is a big thing plot wise, I doubt that going down the Quinn route will void the players of anything mom related.
Even tho there are lots of characters and mysteries in the game, it's actual structure and plot web is rather simple.
I'd prefer the game to warrant multiple runs, but I doubt DPC would risk it. DPC likes his narratives narrow, unavoidable and well cooked.
- Oct 24, 2018
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the very question of Lynette raises an oddity, however.
only MC who went to the picnic has seen that house and can, sooner or later DPC permitting, recognise it. for the other MCs it remains just another photo, of course one can always think of a way in which MC casually shows it to Jill, to Bella who should recognise the place anyway, or perhaps to Bianca. but it still remains a path that will necessarily be quite different for different players.
- Oct 24, 2018
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Exactly. Saint Quinn gives real opportunities, development. And Jill is dragging MC into some dubious scams.
- Apr 25, 2021
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