VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[VeniVidiVicii]

'stryv surge' 90s from its start.

Thanks dude, it's a remix of it but you spared me couple hours of searching for it probably ;d

 

[Crichton]

Did I miss something about Maya? I didn't read her as innocent. I thought she was a lesbian who felt kinda guilty about leading MC on but was still willing to use his body to get the free tuition. Made me feel like a piece of meat when I found out how dishonest she was being while my MC was being 100 after their first heart to heart. She could've at least given MC a better heads up that he was going to find a new place to live, unless Josy really just popped in out of the blue.

 

[Mormont]

Maya not showing MC her mother in any pic tells me that she wants to hide her and/or avoid talking about her. She should have appeared in the graduation day pic together with her children and husband... unless she wasn't able to.

Either the rumours about her being ill are true or Dad put's his foot down and is controlling her life just like he wants to control Maya.

 

[MLBnoob]

Either the rumours about her being ill are true or Dad put's his foot down and is controlling her life just like he wants to control Maya.

Or maybe they are divorced and pops won the custody when they were younger, hence why its hard for her to simply just go to another city and live a new life. Or if she moves, her mom would get non-sexually fucked by her dad. Or I'll go something similar to Lexi where Maya's pops is a very influential religious figure but more controlling because of repercussions to his reputation.

 

[MLBnoob]

Heck a son fucking things up is slightly less damaging than a daughter who is a lesbian and dabbles in lesbomancy and other fanatical heresies(such shortminded fanatics).

 

[sloppy gonzo]

What can I say, I'm one that likes Quinn as a character and hope she doesn't get a sob story background. The in-your-face, completely unrepentant borderline crazy antagonists (like Joe Pesci's character in Goodfellas) I find fun . It's the pretend to be all nice - but not (ala Norman Bates/Leah) that annoy me

Let`s start here:
Antagonist is an adversary/oponent to the protagonist,for example in a story in which Lex Luthor is a protagonist Superman would be an antagonist,despite Lex being a villian and Clark being a hero.
In what way is Quinn an opponent of the Mc?She wants to fuck him,so what does she opposes?His virginity?That ship is long gone.
It`s hard for me to even see her as a villian,sure she acts outside of the boundries of law but so what?Is anyone getting hurt?Forced to do anything?No,she simply provides products demanded by the market.

To me she seems very much comfortable as VP.
She has the power already,it`s Sage that is nothing more than a figure-head.
Mhm,this is much more charismatic character:

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"I got this" and Sage goes away.

We don`t know how much administration knows,we can be certain Burke uses the services,that`s all for now but what we do know is that Quinn made it work for at least a year before and Sage didn`t noticed.

""unrepentant villain," just... not a terribly effective one." - Quinn manages to achive what she wants,so perhaps the uneffectivness is simply her not being as villanish as some would like her to be?

I have a feeling even if she isn't the top dog and someone is calling the shots, Quinn's character shows all the signs of a chaotic neutral character. Which wouldn't have a sad backstory perse but rather she's always had aspiration for control in her seemingly 'boring' life and be at the top.

She's been portrayed as a hedonistic sociopath.

 

[Mormont]

I have a feeling even if she isn't the top dog and someone is calling the shots, Quinn's character shows all the signs of a chaotic neutral character.

Do you see Quinn taking orders from anyone? I think she may have a partner in crime but I just can't see her being told what to do just ask Riona that

 

[E.l.l.0]

Do you see Quinn taking orders from anyone? I think she may have a partner in crime but I just can't see her being told what to do just ask Riona that

Riona is her partner in crime, but she prefers Quinn to handle the boring parts, like counting money. Seriously now, they must have someone else to respond to, or they wouldn't be that worried about meeting a specific sum.

 

[Mormont]

Riona is her partner in crime, but she prefers Quinn to handle the boring parts, like counting money. Seriously now, they must have someone else to respond to, or they wouldn't be that worried about meeting a specific sum.

I think it's Rusty but I don't think she will take orders from him she could be paying him for the drugs while Rusty deals with the person that is in charge.

 

[E.l.l.0]

I think it's Rusty but I don't think she will take orders from him she could be paying him for the drugs while Rusty deals with the person that is in charge.

I doubt that. Rusty clearly hinted to Tommy that he didn't want anything to do with his "business". I'm assuming that the "stuff" they were talking about were the drugs.

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[Luka85]

what a game dude! great caracters, anwesome grafic and scenes
and incredible funny

 

[Vordertur]

Let`s start here:
Antagonist is an adversary/oponent to the protagonist,for example in a story in which Lex Luthor is a protagonist Superman would be an antagonist,despite Lex being a villian and Clark being a hero.
In what way is Quinn an opponent of the Mc?She wants to fuck him,so what does she opposes?His virginity?That ship is long gone.
It`s hard for me to even see her as a villian,sure she acts outside of the boundries of law but so what?Is anyone getting hurt?Forced to do anything?No,she simply provides products demanded by the market.

To me she seems very much comfortable as VP.
She has the power already,it`s Sage that is nothing more than a figure-head.
Mhm,this is much more charismatic character:

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"I got this" and Sage goes away.

We don`t know how much administration knows,we can be certain Burke uses the services,that`s all for now but what we do know is that Quinn made it work for at least a year before and Sage didn`t noticed.

""unrepentant villain," just... not a terribly effective one." - Quinn manages to achive what she wants,so perhaps the uneffectivness is simply her not being as villanish as some would like her to be?

I think you're focusing on too narrow a definition of "antagonist." Perhaps even a too-narrow definition of "villain," too. Is she in direct conflict with the Player Character? Not yet, but it's obvious she's working some kind of angle and she's not particularly careful about who gets swept up in her scheming. My point with calling her "a Starscream" is (if you're not familiar with the character) that she seems like a "second in command" who's constantly plotting to overthrow their leader. She's loyal only for as long as it benefits her. Right now, it does benefit her to have Sage in charge. Sage is the figurehead, the public face of the sorority, and, perhaps most importantly, the girl who's going to get scapegoated if shit hits the fan.

Again, this is largely speculation but it's speculation informed by, say, Cake's love of certain tropes and story beats. The idea of Quinn being a manipulative little tramp who's quietly building up her "power base." Just think about it. She's running a brothel which also probably means she's been slowly collecting dirt on everyone who patronizes the HoT's services. These operations of hers are probably too big to go completely under the radar, which means someone high up in the staff of the college must know what's going on and is turning a blind eye for whatever reason. Maybe they have a stake in the businesses, maybe they just don't want the hassle of a scandal, but whatever the case, Quinn gets to operate her sidelines without "official" sanction from the college's administration, but also without any interference from them.

So long as she keeps things quiet. It's that sort of "understanding" you see with a lot of criminal elements: this idea that as long as she doesn't draw too much attention to herself and what's she's doing, the folks in authority will leave her alone to do what she wants. But the instant she becomes a liability for the school, someone's getting thrown under the bus.

And again, it seems like Quinn is angling to make sure Sage is the one who gets run over.

I'd say all that makes her pretty "villainous" even if her machinations haven't affected the Player all that much or all that directly quite yet.

Thing is, there's often a lot of arrogance associated with this kind of behavior. And, this is more of a feeling than something supported by "textual evidence," but Quinn strikes me as the type of character who just believes she's immune to repercussions. She's "too smart" to get caught. And even if she does get caught, well, she's "too clever" to actually end up taking the heat herself. It's the kind of hubris that often (in these kinds of stories) leads to the character's downfall. So, yes, that's essentially what I'm expecting out of her, and again, it's more a sense of "This is how it's often done in these kinds of things, and while Cake has a reputation for going his own way, there are some cliches he's more than happy to utilize if it suits him."

 

[Mormont]

I doubt that. Rusty clearly hinted to Tommy that he didn't want anything to do with his "business". I'm assuming that the "stuff" they were talking about were the drugs.

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Yeah, that just means Rusty doesn't want him anywhere near his drug business as he would be too much of a liability giving a junkie the keys to his drug business would be madness. It's where Rusty is making his money as well.

 

[Vordertur]

As much as it would fit the image of Quinn being horrible person,she does not need to get into anyone`s head,she does not need to manipulate anyone,those girls are the way they are,they have appetite and they will satisfy this appetite wether being payed for it or not.

No one's arguing that the HoTs are paragons of virtue, but there's a big difference between a bunch of horny teenage girls slutting it up at a party, and organized prostitution. One opens you up to some serious repercussions - like, say, expulsion from the school, or even arrest.

You seem to be saying that all of Quinn's "staff" are happy whoring themselves out because they're getting paid, and... you know... "Yay, money." Sure, the money likely is good, and maybe there are a couple of HoTs who are desperate enough that they don't much care what they end up doing, as long as they're getting paid for it. And if it means they get to screw a couple of good-looking dudes in the process, so much the better, right? But you're really glossing over that whole "This crap they're pulling is illegal" angle.

Desperate for money some of these ladies might be, but you have to be really desperate to so eagerly risk getting thrown out of school, arrested, having your reputation ruined, etc. for a few bucks.

Which means that if Quinn managed to win so many over to her side, there was some convincing involved. Even if it was just a friendly "Hey, you can make some extra dosh on the side if you work for me..." The trick of it is, though, that she's knowingly recruiting people into a criminal enterprise, and probably doesn't care much what happens to them if they get caught. That... that's classically considered a bad thing.

 

[E.l.l.0]

Yeah, that just means Rusty doesn't want him anywhere near his drug business as he would be too much of a liability giving a junkie the keys to his drug business would be madness. It's where Rusty is making his money as well.

Notice how the conversation unveils with Rusty saying that he can't stop Tommy from doing it but he wants no part in it.

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I don't think he is in the drug business at all. I think he has another angle.

 

[sloppy gonzo]

Do you see Quinn taking orders from anyone? I think she may have a partner in crime but I just can't see her being told what to do just ask Riona that

A silent partner who takes money and provides the drugs. Maybe helped fund the Dik Mansion and also uses it to do other operations including money laundering.

 

[name88 - King of Hearts]

I think you're focusing on too narrow a definition of "antagonist." Perhaps even a too-narrow definition of "villain," too. Is she in direct conflict with the Player Character? Not yet, but it's obvious she's working some kind of angle and she's not particularly careful about who gets swept up in her scheming. My point with calling her "a Starscream" is (if you're not familiar with the character) that she seems like a "second in command" who's constantly plotting to overthrow their leader. She's loyal only for as long as it benefits her. Right now, it does benefit her to have Sage in charge. Sage is the figurehead, the public face of the sorority, and, perhaps most importantly, the girl who's going to get scapegoated if shit hits the fan.

Again, this is largely speculation but it's speculation informed by, say, Cake's love of certain tropes and story beats. The idea of Quinn being a manipulative little tramp who's quietly building up her "power base." Just think about it. She's running a brothel which also probably means she's been slowly collecting dirt on everyone who patronizes the HoT's services. These operations of hers are probably too big to go completely under the radar, which means someone high up in the staff of the college must know what's going on and is turning a blind eye for whatever reason. Maybe they have a stake in the businesses, maybe they just don't want the hassle of a scandal, but whatever the case, Quinn gets to operate her sidelines without "official" sanction from the college's administration, but also without any interference from them.

So long as she keeps things quiet. It's that sort of "understanding" you see with a lot of criminal elements: this idea that as long as she doesn't draw too much attention to herself and what's she's doing, the folks in authority will leave her alone to do what she wants. But the instant she becomes a liability for the school, someone's getting thrown under the bus.

And again, it seems like Quinn is angling to make sure Sage is the one who gets run over.

I'd say all that makes her pretty "villainous" even if her machinations haven't affected the Player all that much or all that directly quite yet.

Thing is, there's often a lot of arrogance associated with this kind of behavior. And, this is more of a feeling than something supported by "textual evidence," but Quinn strikes me as the type of character who just believes she's immune to repercussions. She's "too smart" to get caught. And even if she does get caught, well, she's "too clever" to actually end up taking the heat herself. It's the kind of hubris that often (in these kinds of stories) leads to the character's downfall. So, yes, that's essentially what I'm expecting out of her, and again, it's more a sense of "This is how it's often done in these kinds of things, and while Cake has a reputation for going his own way, there are some cliches he's more than happy to utilize if it suits him."

It`s literal definition.Words have meanings,the meaning of the word antagonist is an opponent.

She`s not scheming against Sage though,nothing points out to Quinn wanting to "overthrow" Sage.Moreover if she wanted to be the president I think she would have enough votes already.

Everything will be a speculation,assumption,minor or major change to the already existing script,simply because Quinn is not what some players want her to be.Her operation last year was 4 girls including her+dealing all on a small campus territory,this is not big,this is getting by,which is supported by the scene in which we learn that adding 2 more girls to the mix created a financial shortage.The only stuff member that we can safely assume(what I mean by that is that it`s supported by the content existing in the game) knows is Burke and Burke is interested in fucking and not much more,at least for now.

You are contradicting yourself,Quinn either wants to take Sage`s place or she wants to keep her as a president in order for Sage to take the blame in case things going south,she can`t have both.In the 1st scenario Sage`s position would be important in the other not so much. - Here I want to say that early on after playing ep 2 I too thought that Quinn might want to use Sage as a scape goat,now I think it`s too dark of an approach compared to the comedy game I`m playing.

All that WOULD make her villanious if any of that would be in the script of the game

Again a bit of contradiction,even though,she is growing ambitious - I agree,all that convoluted plan you described would make her very smart and hard to catch so her arrogance or simply confidence would be perfectly justified.

 

[name88 - King of Hearts]

No one's arguing that the HoTs are paragons of virtue, but there's a big difference between a bunch of horny teenage girls slutting it up at a party, and organized prostitution. One opens you up to some serious repercussions - like, say, expulsion from the school, or even arrest.

You seem to be saying that all of Quinn's "staff" are happy whoring themselves out because they're getting paid, and... you know... "Yay, money." Sure, the money likely is good, and maybe there are a couple of HoTs who are desperate enough that they don't much care what they end up doing, as long as they're getting paid for it. And if it means they get to screw a couple of good-looking dudes in the process, so much the better, right? But you're really glossing over that whole "This crap they're pulling is illegal" angle.

Desperate for money some of these ladies might be, but you have to be really desperate to so eagerly risk getting thrown out of school, arrested, having your reputation ruined, etc. for a few bucks.

Which means that if Quinn managed to win so many over to her side, there was some convincing involved. Even if it was just a friendly "Hey, you can make some extra dosh on the side if you work for me..." The trick of it is, though, that she's knowingly recruiting people into a criminal enterprise, and probably doesn't care much what happens to them if they get caught. That... that's classically considered a bad thing.

Not sure what your point is here,it`s like you want to have the cake and eat it
On one hand you do see how those girls are,you even see all of the benefits but you also want Quinn to be the bad guy,so you have to write a story of your own.

 

[name88 - King of Hearts]

Riona is her partner in crime, but she prefers Quinn to handle the boring parts, like counting money. Seriously now, they must have someone else to respond to, or they wouldn't be that worried about meeting a specific sum.

About meeting a specific sum of money
They have to have enough to pay for working girls tuitions - so that`s one.
Second,they are getting drugs from some one,unless they are paying upfront,they have to pay for the stuff afterwards.

 

[vir_cotto]

Notice how the conversation unveils with Rusty saying that he can't stop Tommy from doing it but he wants no part in it.

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I don't think he is in the drug business at all. I think he has another angle.

Forget that whole intro of 0.2 including CUM-petition. The more you read it, the more contradictory it'll be. Before 0.3, absolutely all of us were sure things are like this:

- Quinn is running a prostitution
- Tommy is selling drugs
- somebody is covering them or is even "the big boss" behind everything

After 0.3 - nothing makes sense. Do you remember the scene with Quinn that precedes that Tommy-Rusty scene?

Most people think that's Tommy with Quinn but... Then why he's asking Rusty about Quinn and Riona? He was just there with her!

What I think we have here is this:

- that guy with Quinn wasn't Tommy - despite the coin. Probably Rusty.
- Tommy is basically asking Rusty to talk with Quinn on his behalf to get some free drugs. That's what Rusty referring as "not wanting to have anything with that" and "I know I can't make you stop (from using it)".
- Rusty is full of money; DIKs were formed overnight and spent big money on that mansion. If Rusty's parents are rich, wouldn't he be with ANO? Unless his money is not from legal things.
- Tommy is just a junkie. Rusty is allowing him to play the role of the DIK's boss while he's using DIKs as the cover for his operation.
- Quinn is the dealer but she gets that stuff from someone else - Rusty? Burke? Both?