VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Ripe]

Which means that if Quinn managed to win so many over to her side, there was some convincing involved.

It could also be blackmail... remember, in order to became a HOT, girls need to complete several tasks which include handjob, blowjob, sex in public (or is it just outdoors?) and they need to provide evidence of the act. I wouldn't put it past Quinn to use that evidence to blackmail someone into joining her operation.

That said, none of the girls currently involved with her prostitution ring look like they're blackmailed into doing it but that doesn't mean Quinn wouldn't use blackmail if she consider it necessary...

 

[E.l.l.0]

Forget that whole intro of 0.2 including CUM-petition. The more you read it, the more contradictory it'll be. Before 0.3, absolutely all of us were sure things are like this:

- Quinn is running a prostitution
- Tommy is selling drugs
- somebody is covering them or is even "the big boss" behind everything

After 0.3 - nothing makes sense. Do you remember the scene with Quinn that precedes that Tommy-Rusty scene?

Most people think that's Tommy with Quinn but... Then why he's asking Rusty about Quinn and Riona? He was just there with her!

What I think we have here is this:

- that guy with Quinn wasn't Tommy - despite the coin. Probably Rusty.
- Tommy is basically asking Rusty to talk with Quinn on his behalf to get some free drugs. That's what Rusty referring as "not wanting to have anything with that" and "I know I can't make you stop (from using it)".
- Rusty is full of money; DIKs were formed overnight and spent big money on that mansion. If Rusty's parents are rich, wouldn't he be with ANO? Unless his money is not from legal things.
- Tommy is just a junkie. Rusty is allowing him to play the role of the DIK's boss while he's using DIKs as the cover for his operation.
- Quinn is the dealer but she gets that stuff from someone else - Rusty? Burke? Both?

While that is all reasonable and fair to assume, and you ending up being right, I still think Rusty is a "good guy". And I think that scene was inserted there with the intent of confusing us, and that it actually belongs to a different timeline. It's possible that wasn't Tommy, but so far we only saw him with that particular Ionian coin. And at the very final part of that scene, after the coin is tossed, a hand abruptly grabs it; maybe that was from a third person there (someone interrupting the other two).

And don't forget about Vinny, I think he will still be relevant in understanding this sub plot.

Another thing about Rusty: the Bouncer at The Pink Rose called him "Mr. B"! Do we know Rusty's last name? Could the B be for Burke? Maybe Rusty is simply rich due to his family and not because he runs some illegal business.

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[vir_cotto]

While that is all reasonable and fair to assume, and you ending up being right, I still think Rusty is a "good guy". And I think that scene was inserted there with the intent of confusing us, and that it actually belongs to a different timeline. It's possible that wasn't Tommy, but so far we only saw him with that particular Ionian coin. And at the very final part of that scene, after the coin is tossed, a hand abruptly grabs it; maybe that was from a third person there (someone interrupting the other two).

No, forget that "different timeline" cause that's nonsense. Those two scenes - Quinn/anonymous DIK and Tommy/Rusty - are happening one after another. Maybe it's 5 minutes span, maybe 15 minutes or 150 minutes but they're one after another just before the CUM-petition.

Look closely at that scene with Quinn - that's inside DIK's mansion. You can see DIK's motto on the wall - and somebody on the bed.

And if that guy was Tommy... As I said, that whole dialogue with Rusty wouldn't make sense BUT there is another thing. Quinn is basically persuading that guy to take a shot. We're talking about Tommy - the guy that stole Josy's nail polish to get high! You wouldn't need to persuade him, you would want to take away drug from him so he wouldn't take all for himself! Heather just confirmed that in her conversation with Quinn - Tommy is stealing from her stash.

About the coin. I wrote about that - while we know Tommy has one, that doesn't mean Rusty - or even all DIK's members - doesn't have one.

The coin could be the symbol of leadership - so both the president and VP would have one. It could also be the symbol of full-fledged DIK - hence all DIKs would have one.

And don't forget about Vinny, I think he will still be relevant in understanding this sub plot.

Another thing about Rusty: the Bouncer at The Pink Rose called him "Mr. B"! Do we know Rusty's last name? Could the B be for Burke? Maybe Rusty is simply rich due to his family and not because he runs some illegal business.

I don't know about Vinnie. I mean, it's possible but I don't see his role right now.

And about "Mr B"... I hope that's not the case. FFS, we already have Tybalt! To me, that would be another case of bad writing - and I had enough of that in 0.3.

It's possible, naturally. But my thoughts went like this: OK, he's got money. If he's from rich family, they wouldn't allow him to meddle with peasants. If he wouldn't obey them by not wanting to be part of ANO, they would cut him off the money. The only possibility is if his parents are dead and he inherited all that wealth. But... Why he would go to such a lousy college? Why he would go at all if he just wants to have fun? He could have fun without studying.

That's why I think his money isn't quite legal. But, I admit, we don't really have concrete proof for that - just some circumstantial evidence.

 

[Vordertur]

It`s literal definition.Words have meanings,the meaning of the word antagonist is an opponent.

Whose opponent? One meaning of the word is "the character in the story who directly opposes the protagonist." But as I said, that's just one narrow interpretation of the term. An antagonist could be someone who causes conflict for the protagonist just by existing, just by acting, even if those acts aren't intentionally aimed at the protagonist. Quinn may only tangentially know the PC, may not give a damn about who they are or what they're doing, but that doesn't necessarily mean her actions won't have consequences for other characters, including, potentially, the PC.

She`s not scheming against Sage though,nothing points out to Quinn wanting to "overthrow" Sage.Moreover if she wanted to be the president I think she would have enough votes already

You're assuming that she's after "conventional" power. And by that I mean the "above-board" kind. The legitimate kind. The "officially recognized" kind. But that doesn't track.

Put yourself in her shoes for a minute. You're running an illegal business of some kind. As of now, said business operates pretty well. You're under the radar. Authorities are either unaware of what you're doing, or have given you tacit approval (by not shutting you down.) At this point, what are your goals? Expand a little, maybe. Recruit. And continue to avoid official notice. Having someone in a "legitimate" post above you makes for good cover.

But at the same time, should shit hit the fan, you can sacrifice this figurehead to whoever's giving you trouble, say, the school's administration, or the police. And if that happens, as second in command, you step up and fill the gap that person left. You can't hide as easily - people will be watching you the instant power transitions into your hands, but it's better than being left holding the bag yourself.

So, no, I don't see it as a contradiction that she wants to keep Sage in place as a shield while still scheming behind her back. It's a contingency plan.

 

[E.l.l.0]

And if that guy was Tommy... As I said, that whole dialogue with Rusty wouldn't make sense BUT there is another thing. Quinn is basically persuading that guy to take a shot. We're talking about Tommy - the guy that stole Josy's nail polish to get high! You wouldn't need to persuade him, you would want to take away drug from him so he wouldn't take all for himself! Heather just confirmed that in her conversation with Quinn - Tommy is stealing from her stash.

I would say sniffing nail polish is something on a completely different level than, let's say, heroine or whatever heavy drug that would require an injection. So I think that could still be Tommy, but as I said, in a different timeline. And if it were right before Tommy and Rusty's conversation scene, and Rusty being the one taking the drug, why would Rusty say he wouldn't have any of that "stuff" while he had just a while ago being persuaded to take it from Quinn? It doesn't make sense to me.

 

[vir_cotto]

I would say sniffing nail polish is something on a completely different level than, let's say, heroine or whatever heavy drug that would require an injection. So I think that could still be Tommy, but as I said, in a different timeline. And if it were right before Tommy and Rusty's conversation scene, and Rusty being the one taking the drug, why would Rusty say he wouldn't have any of that "stuff" while he had just a while ago being persuaded to take it from Quinn? It doesn't make sense to me.

That anonymous DIK didn't take a drug. We didn't see that. Nex scene is Tommy holding his hand.
That's why most people think that's him BUT, again, we didn't see that no-named-DIK took a drug.
Rusty was talking about small dosage - about something Tommy would use. Rusty doesn't do drug but he could sell the drug as the wholesaler. Obviously, he wouldn't want his buddy Tommy anywhere near that cause that junkie would spend the merchandise on himself.

But, what I really think we have here - and especially what we have after 0.3 - is the fact DPC is completely lost in his story. I see nonsense after nonsense, plotholes, "big reveals" that are worthy of facepalm, and suspense making through interruption sentence in the middle of a conversation or by "dramatic" spouts in ending recapitulations. Not to mention that catastrophic intervention with backshadowing during Bella's scene.

So, most "mysteries" we have are because of below-average writing and not paying attention by the author himself - and that's sad. He is capable of much more and he proved that in AL and in 0.1 - partially in 0.2.

 

[Darkmetal]

Then it's safe to say Sage won't be too happy with Quinn once she finds out what she's been doing behind her back. Also I think only the HOT's that were present during the pool scene with Quinn talking are in on the prostitution.

There is a showdown coming alright but the numbers look bad for Sage, not Quinn. If we go by all those at the pool (which I agree is the best indicator currently available) vs those that came in with Sage, Sage's allies are:

Arieth - Not a pro, she just does it for free
Tommy's GF - She may not be a hoe, but she knows about the drug side (so defector written all over her)
Elena - likes to be naked at parties is all I see on her resume
Not a very strong roster at all

Without some intervention by the MC (or others) that have yet to be written by DPC, Quinn has the win in the bag.

We also should separate the drug side from the hoe side of the business. There is overlap but some hoes may not know about the drugs (e.g. Camila) while those in the know about the drugs (e.g. Heather, Dawe) may not know about the hoe ring.

 

[vir_cotto]

There is a showdown coming alright but the numbers look bad for Sage, not Quinn. If we go by all those at the pool (which I agree is the best indicator currently available) vs those that came in with Sage, Sage's allies are:

Arieth - Not a pro, she just does it for free
Tommy's GF - She may not be a hoe, but she knows about the drug side (so defector written all over her)
Elena - likes to be naked at parties is all I see on her resume
Not a very strong roster at all

Without some intervention by the MC (or others) that have yet to be written by DPC, Quinn has the win in the bag.

We also should separate the drug side from the hoe side of the business. There is overlap but some hoes may not know about the drugs (e.g. Camila) while those in the know about the drugs (e.g. Heather, Dawe) may not know about the hoe ring.

Dawe knows about hoe side. His hands were all over Rionna at the very beginning of the game when Maya was giving us the tour.

 

[MarnorVonEhrencron]

There is a showdown coming alright but the numbers look bad for Sage, not Quinn. If we go by all those at the pool (which I agree is the best indicator currently available) vs those that came in with Sage, Sage's allies are:

Arieth - Not a pro, she just does it for free
Tommy's GF - She may not be a hoe, but she knows about the drug side (so defector written all over her)
Elena - likes to be naked at parties is all I see on her resume
Not a very strong roster at all

Without some intervention by the MC (or others) that have yet to be written by DPC, Quinn has the win in the bag.

We also should separate the drug side from the hoe side of the business. There is overlap but some hoes may not know about the drugs (e.g. Camila) while those in the know about the drugs (e.g. Heather, Dawe) may not know about the hoe ring.

Why even care about if Quinn is a antagonist and howverer the showdown between sage and quinn is? I want that the mc is the most important factor in this, so if it comes to that showdown, he should decide the inner basically. (Even if I dont want that showdown because i love both)
And that drugs thing I want to have the option to earn money with that. Its boring all the faithfull mcs. The rest is unimportant

 

[MarnorVonEhrencron]

(BTW: I NEED A RIONA PATH!!!! RIONA IS THE BEST)

 

[DrackDrap]

How can you have so many saves? do you really need that many saves? I'm lucky if I have about 20 saves

To be fair, I save at every decision... but I'm a dirty save scummer

 

[Mormont]

To be fair, I save at every decision... but I'm a dirty save scummer

Maya only path of course?

 

[Blablablafapper]

Thing is, her father is "very religious man". Now, that could mean just he's a conservative or he's a religious fanatic. problem is that DPC's writing isn't consistent and sometimes we can't really decipher what he's thinking by those words.

But, we can presume that there is more about him and that family that we already know. And I don't think anything good by that. He's ruling his family like some kind of medieval despotic king.




Yeah, everybody shocked by that interruption, please, raise your hands.

I like how Arieth is the only girl that looks like a fucking retard there lmao. Her and Dawe really are the perfect couple.

 

[vir_cotto]

I like how Arieth is the only girl that looks like a fucking retard there lmao. Her and Chad really are the perfect couple.

Dawe - not Chad.

 

[DrackDrap]

Maya only path of course?

I may have peeped a few scenes from episode 2 before I was like fuck it, I'll just wait to do those routes after the game is done

 

[Darkmetal]

Her wanting to be a social worker is probably to give other kids a chance something that she rarely had it would seem with her Dad

I'm not sure whether we all are overthinking this. We do know that the dad is very religious but he didn't have Maya and Derek homeschooled or kept in a closed compound or anything. From the graduation (and vacation pics) they seem to have been allowed to go and have a relatively normal life.

It could just stop at simply the dad being a homophobe (as many believe him to be).

PS. Do we know whether Maya's mom is even still alive? (I don't remember if she being alive was stated explicitly somewhere - and would be grateful if someone could point it out). If she died during childbirth, for example, it could be dad blaming the complications of twins for her death and wishing the girl had never come along or some such as he only wanted boys.

 

[vir_cotto]

I'm not sure whether we all are overthinking this. We do know that the dad is very religious but he didn't have Maya and Derek homeschooled or kept in a closed compound or anything. From the graduation (and vacation pics) they seem to have been allowed to go and have a relatively normal life.

It could just stop at simply the dad being a homophobe (as many believe him to be).

PS. Do we know whether Maya's mom is even still alive? (I don't remember if she being alive was stated explicitly somewhere - and would be grateful if someone could point it out). If she died during childbirth, for example, it could be dad blaming the complications of twins for her death and wishing the girl had never come along or some such as he only wanted boys.

She didn't die during childbirth. Maya was talking about her when showing that Chrismas pic with her and Derek.

 

[Blablablafapper]

Dawe - not Chad.

my mistake. I just woke up

 

[TheFinder]

To be fair, I save at every decision... but I'm a dirty save scummer

Yeah, I may or may not have 114 saves so far...

 

[mindern]

I hope DPC takes into account the sheer improbability of the MC living with and developing a relationship with the girlfriend of a girl he knew from back home he was equally interested in when the MC responds to the events of the episode 3 finale. Even if some underlying conspiracy brought everyone together the MC is currently unaware of that and should at least be suspicious. Unless I'm missing something that connects everything together rationally that the MC is also aware of.

If I was the MC I'd be assuming the two girls were fucking with me due to an ulterior motive. Maya has already shown she's willing to fuck the MC over to get what she wants with the whole taser incident and both are playing him hot and cold. Both were specifically avoiding giving any details about their respective partners. MC was upfront about where he lived and where he was going to university and the fact neither girl brought up the possibility of him knowing their partner is suspicious. I'm hoping for a cathartic DIK option to just confront them both about the insanely improbably series of events and lies by omission that culminated with Josy appearing at that door and the MC can demand an explanation before storming out and staying with whomever your episode 3 final choice is.