felicemastronzo

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Pretty sure the whole patrick situation will resolve itself (like most "problems" in badik really). Helen will die, Patrick will read her latter and realize how misguided he was all the time as helen doesnt even mentions grandkids (but ask him to always take care of their kids) and will have a mental breakdown, maybe even close to suicide.

Afterwards he will just continue to pay for maya and dereks tutition (i dont think there ever was a loan) and probably need their support to be even able to keep going.

Thats my assumption at least
in my opinion, if Helen dies, Patrick may well end up in jail.Helen's death would be a badass dramatic moment, and also quite sudden considering that the most likely scenario is that Badik does not go beyond his freshman year of college.

I see more of a scenario where Helen realizes what is happening to her family and forces Patrick to see the evil he is doing
The onus is entirely on Patrick here though. Maya is under no obligation to reach out to him after the shit he's pulled.

While the blackmail is in place, Patrick has little motive other than his wife's illness to try to reconcile. From his perspective, he has years for Maya to "come to her senses". With that blackmail removed, he probably no longer would feel like he can just play the waiting game and might actually start processing that unless he owns up to his awful behavior that he may lose both his wife and daughter forever.
not quite so... Patrick has every reason to make peace with his daughter and stop tyrannizing over her life, especially if as it seems from l flashback this religious fixation is not even his directly but a reflection of Helen.


if there is no such assumption there is no point in seeking a reconciliation, if Patrick cannot be a father to Maya unless hard defeated there is no value in recovering him
 

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in my opinion, if Helen dies, Patrick may well end up in jail.Helen's death would be a badass dramatic moment, and also quite sudden considering that the most likely scenario is that Badik does not go beyond his freshman year of college.

I see more of a scenario where Helen realizes what is happening to her family and forces Patrick to see the evil he is doing

not quite so... Patrick has every reason to make peace with his daughter and stop tyrannizing over her life, especially if as it seems from l flashback this religious fixation is not even his directly but a reflection of Helen.


if there is no such assumption there is no point in seeking a reconciliation, if Patrick cannot be a father to Maya unless hard defeated there is no value in recovering him
Why would Helen's death result in Patrick going to jail. Most likely he will read her will and introspect himself and this is how Tuition money story arc ends. Neither of the twins want their father to be jailed.
 
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Now that I think about it, does the MC (or anyone else) ever even take into consideration using some rubber? :unsure:
MC complains about having to use one with Jill until he gets checked out if you're on her path, otherwise not really.

Someone comments during the Hell Week party about them, but it's very clear that everyone is doing each other raw.
 
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Pretty sure the whole patrick situation will resolve itself (like most "problems" in badik really). Helen will die, Patrick will read her latter and realize how misguided he was all the time as helen doesnt even mentions grandkids (but ask him to always take care of their kids) and will have a mental breakdown, maybe even close to suicide.

Afterwards he will just continue to pay for maya and dereks tutition (i dont think there ever was a loan) and probably need their support to be even able to keep going.

Thats my assumption at least
Yeah, all those loan papers pointed medical loans and business loans, he just lied to them to keep them in leash. There is no loan to begin with probably, his first promise with Helen was to have them graduate.
 

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MC complains about having to use one with Jill until he gets checked out if you're on her path, otherwise not really.

Someone comments during the Hell Week party about them, but it's very clear that everyone is doing each other raw.
Maybe it's for future if MC cheats on Jill with someone he will get STD and this is how Jill will find out.
 

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Why would Helen's death result in Patrick going to jail. Most likely he will read her will and introspect himself and this is how Tuition money story arc ends. Neither of the twins want their father to be jailed.
not as a direct consequence, but as an opportunity.

as long as Helen is alive, Patrick cannot go to jail, otherwise it would be up to Derek and Maya to take care of her.

But if Helen were to die, the confrontation between Maya and Patrick could become even harder
 

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not as a direct consequence, but as an opportunity.

as long as Helen is alive, Patrick cannot go to jail, otherwise it would be up to Derek and Maya to take care of her.

But if Helen were to die, the confrontation between Maya and Patrick could become even harder
Man you really think he is a cartoonish evil caricature figure don't you? Derek said he is a broken man but they still care for him. No way he will do something horrible to be jailed nor the twins want it.
 
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felicemastronzo

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Man you really think he is a cartoonish evil caricature figure don't you? Derek said he is a broken man but they still care for him. No way he will do something horrible to be jailed nor the twins want it.
:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
you got distracted...

he has already done several terrible things including physically abusing his daughter, deceiving her and blackmailing her


what should he do that is "more" terrible? kill Franz the bunny?
 

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not quite so... Patrick has every reason to make peace with his daughter and stop tyrannizing over her life, especially if as it seems from l flashback this religious fixation is not even his directly but a reflection of Helen.


if there is no such assumption there is no point in seeking a reconciliation, if Patrick cannot be a father to Maya unless hard defeated there is no value in recovering him
My point is that while Patrick might want to make peace with Maya, currently he's still convinced he's in the right and has time on his hands for her to come around. Any number of things could cause that to change, and one of them is Maya freeing herself from his manipulation.

Let's not forget that it's not just what effectively is financial blackmail, but also physical abuse that he has to atone for. Maya would be 100% in her right to cut him out from her life. Frankly, if he really wants to reconcile with her, it needs to be done when she's no longer under his control in any way. Otherwise, there's always an element of possible coercion in her "accepting" his apology.
 

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My point is that while Patrick might want to make peace with Maya, currently he's still convinced he's in the right and has time on his hands for her to come around. Any number of things could cause that to change, and one of them is Maya freeing herself from his manipulation.

Let's not forget that it's not just what effectively is financial blackmail, but also physical abuse that he has to atone for. Maya would be 100% in her right to cut him out from her life. Frankly, if he really wants to reconcile with her, it needs to be done when she's no longer under his control in any way. Otherwise, there's always an element of possible coercion in her "accepting" his apology.
if she breaks free from blackmail, why should Maya accept Patrick's apology?

apologies have value if they are a choice, not if you have no other option. Patrick must accept his daughter's will, not give in to the fact that he no longer has a means of controlling her
 
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