VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[felicemastronzo]

Maya's route to bisexuality has started but has not yet ended.
for now it is at the stage that the thing she likes most in MC is her female part ... well but not very well

 

[Laurelin]

it is he who has forgiven them. the two girls only gave him the chance to see how it goes

It's a point of view, and I respect it.
However, we see the girls forgive each other before that.
And I don't think the girls gave him the chance, but rather they beg him to give both them a chance ! It's quite the opposite ! They let MC decide (obviously, it's a male protagonist game, so he makes the important choices !)

 

[Laurelin]

Maya's route to bisexuality has started but has not yet ended.
for now it is at the stage that the thing she likes most in MC is her female part ... well but not very well

I think we all have a male and a female part. Maya loves the MC's female part because she only used to this part before MC ! We can see she begins to love the male part too, particularly during sex scenes !

 

[felicemastronzo]

It's a point of view, and I respect it.
However, we see the girls forgive each other before that.
And I don't think the girls gave him the chance, but rather they beg him to give both them a chance ! It's quite the opposite ! They let MC decide (obviously, it's a male protagonist game, so he makes the important choices !)

but it is not MC who decides.
he proposes, he ansfs for "more than a friendship" and it is the girls who then accept or not.

and they decide after talking to each other, not with MC

MC from a position of strength before the meeting, finds himself hoping that they will accept him ... a tactical suicide

 

[Youven]

Speaking about all the LIs, they all are emotionally unstable and they all have huge contradictions.
And fortunately !!! Without that, it wouldn't be such an intersting story and we wouldn't take all this time to comment it !

- Sage : unable to spilt with Chad, even if we know he feels nothing for her (from the beginning it seems, see the flashback in the beginning of ep.5). She is still jealous, angry, she "hates" him... but she is totally unable to forgot him (for the moment...)

- Maya : she discovers her bisexuality (I totally agree with mizilic on that subject) and it could be a great and sudden shock for her. She can't surmise what happened after that. Don't mention her rocky relationship with Josy...

- Josy : assumed bisexual, she has to manage her complicated relationship with Maya and her recent crush for MC... Not easy !

- Bella : she is torned by conflicting emotions. She is highly attracted by MC, but still wants to be faithful to her husband... It seems that she is totally unable to resist and to make any choice. Even better : nevertheless, she pushes Jill into MC's arms !

- Jill : she is the most mysterious of all... Can you imagine a girl like her, around 21 years old, gorgeous, rich, intelligent, nice and friendly, simple, helpfull, so in only one word : perfect, could be a virgin (we don't know exactly, but it's very probable) and so uninterested about dating guys ? Even if we know her very romantic personality, it's however very strange she seems to never had experimented love or even tried more than one date or two... There must be something missing in his past, and I bet DrPinkCake holds some surprises for us !
Good, or bad ?

Oh my god, as always, our dear friend Laurelin provides us with an excellent analysis of the situation.

You're welcome, "mon cher camarade" !

I completely agree with Laurelin on the situation and I don"t feel Josy and Maya as childish as you think.
I would even say that DPC has managed to capture the complexity of a difficult, long-distance relationship, with all the ambiguities due to homosexuality in our society. I'd even say bisexuality on this situation

For my part, I'm sure that ending up with both will be impossible and you'll have to choose, hence the flag "ep5_feelingsForMaya = True" or "ep5_feelingsFor Josy = True".

And the rest of the game will put us face to face with some big choices.

 

[Laurelin]

We don't know even half the story ! Maybe 11 or more episodes are to come !!! It's our chance, and also our curse !

That is the great problem !!!! How can we now choose a girl (or two girls, in my case) and be sure to end with her (them). So many things may happen (and I'm afraid, on the dramatic side), we can't foresee anything. Otherwise, why would it last so much episodes ?
It is REALLY unbearable !!!
And that's why I love this game ! I should consult a psychiatrist. We all should !

 

[felicemastronzo]

That is the great problem !!!! How can we now choose a girl (or two girls, in my case) and be sure to end with her (them). So many things may happen (and I'm afraid, on the dramatic side), we can't foresee anything. Otherwise, why would it last so much episodes ?
It is REALLY unbearable !!!
And that's why I love this game ! I should consult a psychiatrist. We all should !

I don't think DPC is so sadistic as to insert decisive turning points (at least towards the LIs) at the beginning of the story, which force the player to replay practically from the beginning...


don't make me worry unnecessarily

 

[Laurelin]

but it is not MC who decides.
he proposes, he ansfs for "more than a friendship" and it is the girls who then accept or not.

and they decide after talking to each other, not with MC

MC from a position of strength before the meeting, finds himself hoping that they will accept him ... a tactical suicide

I agree... but not completely. MC can take the decision to stay friends. They accept without any discussion, and we can see later that it's terrible, especially for Josy.
One the road "more than friendship", I agree they discuss before accepting (or refusing, but I've never been into this situation, one more time I'm such a chick guy, and I don't want to smoke weed anymore !) and this is quite natural. They are already in assumed relationship. Then MC wants to take part of it. Josy and Maya have first to agree with that. They both know the danger is great : lose everything !

MC from a position of strength before the meeting, finds himself hoping that they will accept him ... a tactical suicide

But in the chick path, the tactic is very successfull ! He takes a great risk, but he follows his heart ! It's the way to not have regrets in the future...

 

[felicemastronzo]

I agree... but not completely. MC can take the decision to stay friends. They accept without any discussion, and we can see later that it's terrible, especially for Josy.
One the road "more than friendship", I agree they discuss before accepting (or refusing, but I've never been into this situation, one more time I'm such a chick guy, and I don't want to smoke weed anymore !) and this is quite natural. They are already in assumed relationship. Then MC wants to take part of it. Josy and Maya have first to agree with that. They both know the danger is great : lose everything !

But in the chick path, the tactic is very successfull ! He takes a great risk, but he follows his heart ! It's the way to not have regrets in the future...

if MC did not offer it, there would be no "more than friendship" route.
and if you think about what Josy tells him in the dorm afterwards it's even worse


in absolute sincerity: that they want to remain friends doesn't make much sense. Josy and MC have never been friends, perhaps on the bike ride ... with Maya can we say there is friendship? it could be, but it is a friendship built on continuous lies and omissions, not a solid one.
but once MC forgives them he cannot deny them friendship, but a friendship that has no value.

even more how do they stay friends once MC declares that he feels more than friendship for them?
can you be friends with an ex who still says he loves you?

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

- Jill : she is the most mysterious of all... Can you imagine a girl like her, around 21 years old, gorgeous, rich, intelligent, nice and friendly, simple, helpfull, so in only one word : perfect, could be a virgin (we don't know exactly, but it's very probable) and so uninterested about dating guys ? Even if we know her very romantic personality, it's however very strange she seems to never had experimented love or even tried more than one date or two... There must be something missing in his past, and I bet DrPinkCake holds some surprises for us !

Prof, I don't think she's uninterested in gais, more like naive and insecure, grew up in a protected environment, provided with the wrong info. She's like the daughter in DFD, waiting to be shown the world by MC.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Prof, I don't think she's uninterested in gais, more like naive and insecure, grew up in a protected environment, provided with the wrong info. She's like the daughter in DFD, waiting to be shown the world by MC.

Jill only needs time, she is the least problematic, at least for now, of all LIs

 

[imzahai]

Prof, I don't think she's uninterested in gais, more like naive and insecure, grew up in a protected environment, provided with the wrong info. She's like the daughter in DFD, waiting to be shown the world by MC.

she had a genuinely bad experience, not just Rusty being on the immature side. there are hints to this from her behavior and Bella's as well as bella's comments.
she isn't that naive; she recognizes Tybalt's interest, and acknowledges it [albeit she doesn't know the depth of his psychosis]. She is very sheltered however.

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

Jill only needs time, she is the least problematic, at least for now, of all LIs

Least problematic in background story, but more "problematic" trying to win her over.

 

[DatFatFrog]

can you be friends with an ex who still says he loves you?

Friends or maybe FUCK BUDDIES

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

can you be friends with an ex who still says he loves you?

There's a saying here. No such thing as a guy wanna be "friends" only with a girl.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Least problematic in background story, but more "problematic" trying to win her over.

But it's not true.
among the 5 LIs, she is the only one who clearly has an interest in MC, for a healthy normal relationship. social difference is not bearing any weight at this time

 

[Laurelin]

can you be friends with an ex who still says he loves you?

I can even go further...
I'm not a girl, so I won't risk trying to think as a girl (girls are in any case incomprehensible, and that's maybe the reason why we love them so much ! )
IRL, when you're a guy, is it really possible to be sincerely, genuinely friend with a girl, especially when she is beautiful, intelligent and so on... without any second (sexual or loving) thought ?
I'm quite sure not.

 

[Laurelin]

And the rest of the game will put us face to face with some big choices.

I'm afraid you may be right, my friend !
At least 11 episodes to come... How many "big choices" will we have to take ?

 

[Holy Bacchus]

How exactly does this game work? Do I have to go straight from the beginning or can I have a little fun with some of the girls here and there? I don't want to end up with total chaos.

This is a story based game, not a free-roam, "fuck-em-all" type of game. You follow an overarching narrative with opportunities for sex along the way.

I can't agree with that.

I'm away just for one day and my dear Josy and Maya are attacked ??? I take my white steed and I rush to defend her !

So, what have we got here ? On one hand, the relationship between Josy and Maya lasts for quite some time. Derek says that they were together in high school and Maya was already into Josy. They had some time to improve their feelings for each other, and we know Maya's father was against it. Then they separate (Maya is really subdued to her father, we often can see it in every deeply religious familly), and Josy came back to her father's too. Distant love is not easy to live with, especially since we can suppose the two girls had some fight about it.
Remeber too Josy and Maya have quite opposite temperaments : Maya is very shy when Josy is really an easy-going girl, the former has some sexual complexes when the latter seems a lot more experienced. Maya is ice/nordic, Josy is fire/latin.
I'll get back to this later on.

On the other hand, they both met MC very recently. They both had a crush on him. For that reason, they both have some difficulties to qualify their relationships with him. It's quite obvious, during the discussion into the Diks ruined library, in ep.4. Josy and Maya use the word "love" to qualify their girl-girl relationship. "Love" is never used between them and MC.
If you want to see this word of "love", you must reject them (want only friendship) in ep.4, then take back Josy to her dorm in ep.5, after she met her father : "How can you feel loving feelings for two persons at the same time".
Just after, Josy says : "she was the only one who was certain for me at that moment".

Is that a childish reaction ? I think, on the contrary, it's a really mature way of thinking !!

Now, let's talk about the future (on the Josy/Maya route).
As I said before, Josy and Maya are very different. MC may be the cement wich will stenghten the union into a happy throuple. However, it will be difficult and MC will have to be very carefull with his choices in the future, and not to always favor the same girl. The risk of developping jealousy is very high. I really hope that it will be possible, that would be my favorite ending, without any doubt.

I think there is also a possibility for MC to end with one or the other girl. As I said before, since Josy and Maya are so different, I don't think their couple could go on for long. They fought in the past, they will fight in the future. So, if MC make the choice to stay friend with them in ep. 4, we know that feelings are still strong. When MC talks with Derek in the preps house in ep.5, you can choose an option ("feelings for Maya" or "feelings for Josy") wich raise up a flag into the game's code :
"ep5_feelingsForMaya = True" or "ep5_feelingsFor Josy = True". (thanks to you, Youventus )
We can bet that it will have some importance later, and may conclude to a couple MC-Maya or MC-Josy.

We don't know even half the story ! Maybe 11 or more episodes are to come !!! It's our chance, and also our curse !

Very well said.

One thing I'd like to expand upon is what Josy says to the MC if they just remain friends. Whilst that conversation only occurs on that path, it doesn't mean that on the "more than friends" path that she doesn't feel those same feelings, it's just that on this path she doesn't have to say it because she's getting to express those "loving" feelings for both of them without feeling like she's hurting either one of them.

So, just because the L-word was used by M&J for each other doesn't mean that they don't have loving feelings for the MC just because they didn't outright say it. It seems like some people think that because they haven't said anything like that to the MC that their feelings are not as genuine for him, but they're both at the beginning of these feelings and it will take time to see if there's anything more there, hence Maya's "casual" decision so they don't rush into things too quickly and risk getting hurt because they feel they have all sorts of expectations for their relationship that might not work out.

 

[N7]

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