Phynix

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Incorrect again. The only time RP comes into play is once, during the picnic scene. No other time. Again, please explain to me how it is 'easier'.

I can do all Sages content just as 'easy' on Chick as I can Dik. No difference, what so ever. Zilch, Nada, nuffing. Just the RP that is not gained (and that's only a few points at that).
You say RP comes only into play during the picnic scene. I don't use the walkthrough nor have i seen that scene. Care to explain it a bit more? Do you need a certain amount of RP for an option?
 

zoyle

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Incorrect again. The only time RP comes into play is once, during the picnic scene. No other time. Again, please explain to me how it is 'easier'.

I can do all Sages content just as 'easy' on Chick as I can Dik. No difference, what so ever. Zilch, Nada, nuffing. Just the RP that is not gained (and that's only a few points at that).
There are some other situations where RP comes into play and changes scenes, including the Ep 5 sex scene with Josy (in the dorm room), where the scene is extended with new options if you have more than 10 RP, and at the end of Ep 3 you gain additional interactions during the near-sex scene with Maya if you have at least 14 RP with her.

And then, of course, there's the fairly complicated Isabella favor points system, which is not the same as Isabella's RP but interacts with it both ways: A lot of the actions that help you get Isabella's approval to date Jill also increase Isabella's RP, most of the actions that hurt her approval also reduce her RP, and you get additional credit with her if your RP with her are positive (or lose credit if they are negative), and then gaining or losing that approval ALSO gives or costs you more RP with Isabella. That entire system is needlessly complex, but winning her approval is largely synonymous with improving her RP score.

I'd agree the system's a bit under-used overall (it seems a little inconsistent where the system goes back and forth between using a girl's specific RP and using your DIK/CHICK status to unlock interaction), but it's not irrelevant, and seems to be used increasingly frequently later in the game (which makes sense, as something that's been accumulating over the whole game, whereas DIK/CHICK is something you can swing pretty rapidly from side to side if you try to).

The RP thresholds overall also have been pretty easy to meet: having 11+ RP with Josy or 21+ RP with Maya in Episode 5 is not very hard to do. Having 14 with Maya at the end of Ep 3 is somewhat easier to miss (the option was locked out for me on my first playthrough), which makes sense given the nature of the situation.

Sage's RP don't yet play a role in the story, but I'd be very surprised if they weren't all relevant in the long run.
 

zoyle

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You say RP comes only into play during the picnic scene. I don't use the walkthrough nor have i seen that scene. Care to explain it a bit more? Do you need a certain amount of RP for an option?
During the picnic scene where you lay with the girls, you have interaction options with them and one of them is caress. If you choose to caress Maya's cheek and have more than 20 RP with her, she'll kiss the MC instead of just staring into his eyes. If you have at least 11 RP with Josy and caress her thigh, MC will play with her panties as well.

Having adequate RP also unlocks some options in other sex scenes with each girl (Josy in Ep 5, Maya at the end of Ep 3). In the Maya scene, there are different scenes/options based on your DIK/CHICK score, or if you have the requisite RP with Maya you simply get both.
 

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Are people still banging on about DPC hiring others, when he's flat out said he won't do it? How do we get off this merry-go-round, it's making me dizzy.

But, for all we know, DPC already has someone or someones doing that sort of work for him, and it isn't what causes production bottlenecks.

Heck, we don't even know that DPC is a single person. It could easily be a nom de plume for a partnership or team that speak under a single name in the interest of building a profile.
We don't know DPC isn't a Russian hacking crew either... He's a Swedish sole developer until some evidence to contradict this emerges.

These are some great ideas, but it's optional content, so i don't see him being in a hurry to do any of this. I do recall him mentioning voice acting for the complete game if i'm not mistaken
After seeing the results of the patron survey regarding voice acting in Being a DIK, I have decided to postpone voice acting until I can afford it.
When and if that time comes, I will likely add it all at once for the entire game. But until then, I need to save up funding.
Voice acting in indie-porn games are universally poor in my experience, so happy voice acting is out.
 

zoyle

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Are people still banging on about DPC hiring others, when he's flat out said he won't do it? How do we get off this merry-go-round, it's making me dizzy.


We don't know DPC isn't a Russian hacking crew either... He's a Swedish sole developer until some evidence to contradict this emerges.



Voice acting in indie-porn games are universally poor in my experience, so happy voice acting is out.
I think people just click on the Patreon link, see 7000+ Patrons and what the donation thresholds are and assume he's banking 6 figures monthly even though it almost certainly doesn't work that way.
 

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Are people still banging on about DPC hiring others, when he's flat out said he won't do it? How do we get off this merry-go-round, it's making me dizzy.


We don't know DPC isn't a Russian hacking crew either... He's a Swedish sole developer until some evidence to contradict this emerges.



Voice acting in indie-porn games are universally poor in my experience, so happy voice acting is out.
true.

theoretically having voice acting would seem a great improvement, but to the test of the facts they always brought mediocre results (perhaps the best was on Awakening)
 
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felicemastronzo

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I forgot the Josy sex scene, good call. As for Sage and her RP, it's a few points at most. Given the req's for the others, I really can't see it making any differnce personally. as you don't lose a lot of points.

As a side-note, this will annoy the dik lovers, but have you noticed a pattern yet? Bella does 'prefer' a chick, Jill's content is behind Chick affinity, Maya&Josy are Chick/Neutral....all of Sages content be got by Chick also....there is no LI (yet) where content is purely needs Dik. Just the side girls.



Well to be fair, at min payments, thats 6k a month....not a bad living eh?
sooner or later they will surrender to the evidence that MC is a thoroughbred CHICK
 
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Incorrect again. The only time RP comes into play is once, during the picnic scene. No other time. Again, please explain to me how it is 'easier'.

I can do all Sages content just as 'easy' on Chick as I can Dik. No difference, what so ever. Zilch, Nada, nuffing. Just the RP that is not gained (and that's only a few points at that). If I had to jump through hoops, swallow swords and dance naked in the cafeteria (as a Chick) to get her content, then yes being dik would be easier. But you don't.

I think the word you're after is perhaps 'beneficial'....but again, that remains to be seen in the long-term as to what DPC does with RP's
RP with Josy and Maya actually comes into play a few times so far. In ep 3, you need 14RP with Maya to unlock the full scene, in ep 5 you need >10RP with Josy to unlock her full scene, and then in the picnic scene you need >20RP with Maya to kiss her and >10RP with Josy to touch her panties.
 
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Phynix

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I forgot the Josy sex scene, good call. As for Sage and her RP, it's a few points at most. Given the req's for the others, I really can't see it making any differnce personally. as you don't lose a lot of points.

As a side-note, this will annoy the dik lovers, but have you noticed a pattern yet? Bella does 'prefer' a chick, Jill's content is behind Chick affinity, Maya&Josy are Chick/Neutral....all of Sages content be got by Chick also....there is no LI (yet) where content is purely needs Dik. Just the side girls.
Until DPC decides to cut off the majority of Jill and Bella content on DIK path, i'm not starting a new playthrough. :LOL:
 

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Please don't quote opinion as fact. Please tell me how Sage's route is 'easier' being a dik, because it isn't. Still do everything with her, even still go to the movie night if not staying with her.
Sage route is easy, PERIOD?

The only reason I care about RP now is because I don't want to have to restart the game again IF DPC decided to open a can of whoop ass on us and take RP into account. I care about Sage.
 

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I have three routes
DIK = Sage and the bitches
Neutral = Josy and Maya
Chick = Jill and Bella
Some routes exclude others, for example if you make out with Sage at the DIKs party you can't go to see a movie with Maya.
 

zoyle

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I forgot the Josy sec scene, good call. As for Sage and her Rp, it's a few points at most. Given the req's for the others, I really can't see it making any differnce personally. As a side-niote, this will annoy the dik lovers, but have you noticed a pattern yet? Bella does prefer a chick, Jill's content is behind Chick affinity, Maya&Josy are chick/Neutral....all of Sages content be got by cchick also....
Maya and Josy content is really weird and contradictory. The Ep 1 Josy scene has extra scenes for DIK chars, not chick. The ep 3 Maya scene is different for MASSIVE DIK -or- MASSIVE CHICK vs any other status, or you get everything based on the RP threshold.

As a whole, it makes a lot of sense that early interactions and impressions and willingness to do stuff, or stuff with people who don't know MC well, is governed primarily by DIK/CHICK status, and that long-term interactions are governed by RP. But then you have Maya in particular oscillating around between all of them. I guess you could say that's due to her emotional turmoil or something, but it's probably just due to DPC trying different stuff out. Overall it seems like in Season 1, Maya/Josy were intended to reward 'neutral' affinity characters (with Isabella/Jill for Chick and Sage/all the casual sex encounters for DIK), but in Episode 5, Maya and Josy are definitely also in the chick column.

I think with a system like RP, it makes sense to use it more later in the game to reward consistent behavior. The early thresholds have mostly been easy to reach (Ch 3 Maya probably the most difficult? and still not hard), but the things they've changed have also been pretty minor - tweaks to sex scenes, a kiss, etc. If the decisions/options using RP are more pivotal down the road (and you'd think that's the reason of tracking how much various people like the MC), you would probably expect the thresholds to rise.

Honestly I think this is pretty good as a development plan. I recently played City of Broken Dreamers, which is really excellent! But one thing that really stood out to me is that there are so few opportunities to interact with many characters that achieving certain thresholds ends up coming down to one very specific decision or another. In Being a DIK, those kinds of options are usually governed by DIK/CHICK status, which you get a lot of opportunities to modify. Waiting for RP to accumulate to significant levels before utilizing it in a significant way makes sense, because it prevents situations from boiling down to "Did you choose option A or option B 4 chapters ago? If you chose yes, you can see scene X. If you did not, nope." Stuff makes more sense in storytelling and is more rewarding when it's a reward for consistency - CHICK/DIK works because you're constantly given the option to influence the score, and then you constantly get feedback based on what the score does for you. It works a lot better than individual-character affinity system until you have a LOT of history with a given character, when it starts to make more sense for that character to judge the protagonist based on their personal history rather than your recent public behaviors.

Just for example, imagine if there's some kind of scene where MC is trying to tell Sage what's going on with Quinn. It would make a lot more sense for how much Sage personally likes and trusts MC (her RP) to govern whether she chooses to trust him than his DIK/CHICK status. It's not hard to imagine hypotheticals for the others of similar impact where having RP be the governing factor simply makes more sense. There have not, thusfar, been very many situations where that is appropriate. As characters know each other longer, RP makes more and more sense as a game mechanic. You can also particularly imagine situations that use RP but where the RP threshold differs depending on DIK or CHICK status. A DIK character might need a higher proportion of available RP to convince Jil than a CHICK one, whether that be from reputation or a reflection of the way that MC's dialogue is different based on their DIK/CHICK score.
 
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true.

theoretically having voice acting would seem a great improvement, but to the test of the facts they always brought mediocre results (perhaps the best was on Awakening)
He already deactivated the voices of Jill and Bella from chapter one no? If anyone is still interested in finding out, just unren the voice files or replay the warning scenes.
 

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I think people just click on the Patreon link, see 7000+ Patrons and what the donation thresholds are and assume he's banking 6 figures monthly even though it almost certainly doesn't work that way.
6 figures no but 5 for sure and not in the lowest five if you get me...
 

zoyle

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Agreed that would make more sense yes in the long term as usually in a relationship, consistancy matters. Also as you say and what I said earlier, it's so easy to clear the RP threshold, what you lose with Sage being a Chick I don't think is enough to make a difference. However, if that continues into the future that may end up being more relevent.

And yes, CoBD is a top quality game indeed.

Thusfar the thresholds have been low, but also what they get you has mostly been low. I would expect the threshold for a major event or decision to be higher, especially if MC is asking someone to do something they would otherwise definitely not want to do.

I made the CoBD reference though to illustrate how games with very few available points make what seem like relatively minor choices much more significant. You have various Victoria content available only if you have 4+ points with her, and there are only like 5 points available, and one of them is in a swing choice (where you get -1 favor for +1 lust), so if you chose wrongly on exactly that one choice, you lose the option. The game is good anyway and most of the characters have enough interaction that that stuff doesn't pose a major issue, but it sort of shows where the holes can be in that kind of a system, and by using CHICK/DIK for the first half or whatever of the game, Being a DIK gets to skip over those problems.
 

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He already deactivated the voices of Jill and Bella from chapter one no? If anyone is still interested in finding out, just unren the voice files or replay the warning scenes.
There are playthroughs of the game with VA in PornHub, or at least there used to be.
:oops::oops::eek:

Were there any scenes being played?
or are you referring to the prologue?
Epidode 1 used to be fully voiced. Now it isn't, but the voices are still in the game files.
 
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